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Dec 11, 2022 21:50:47 GMT
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Too cold to really do too much today, but given it wasn't actively raining or windy I did venture out for an hour or so until I started to run out of feeling in my finger tips. The battery in the Renault has always sounded a little low so I stuck it on the charger for a few hours. There's a whole bunch of free space in this engine bay which makes finding somewhere to wedge the charger and/or extension lead far less of a pain. Was showing as full within a few minutes, so either the battery isn't at it's best (given how little the car has been used that wouldn't surprise me - and being a Halfords cheapie), the connection to the starter could be a bit better - though 80s Renault starter motors have always tended to sound like they're struggling to some extent in my experience. I'll check the obvious candidates though just to be safe. A package arrived which contains a set of lower ball joints, drop links and anti roll bar bushes. Hopefully some combination of these things will deal with the knocking the current suspension is doing. I'll be chucking the car at a garage for that though, sod crawling around doing stuff like that at this time of year. My usual solution to sticky residue left by tape and such is usually WD40. However the marks on the dash here really don't want to move. Though granted, I may have more luck if I were to attempt this again when it's not -2C outside... I've had a message back from a friend who does bodywork repairs professionally and they are happy to have a look at the 25 at some point over the next couple of months with a view to sorting the couple of bits of rust I've found. The instruction they'll be given here unless there are any *seriously* major show stoppers will basically be "If it needs or is going to need sorting in the next ten years, sort it." They're hopefully going to be able to offer some ideas on how we can best approach sorting the paintwork out too, though that's always going to be a major balancing act. What it really *wants* is a full strip back and respray - but can I really justify chucking probably the best part of three grand at sorting the paint on a car that's worth what, two grand on a really good day? Either way - once the welding work has all been done, one of the first things that will be happening is that it will be getting sent to a professional outfit to be rust proofed. Yes that will mean another sizable bill, but the peace of mind will be worth it I think. This is always going to be a car where if you start trying to make the numbers make sense you'd run away screaming I reckon - which is probably WHY they're basically extinct...They're just never going to be worth anywhere near the same in monetary terms as a Citroen CX, BMW 7-series, a big Volvo or a decently specified Saab 9000 from the same era. However this one has landed on the driveway of someone who doesn't really care about the numbers - and while I can't afford to have *everything* done in one hit, I'm not just going to say no to improvement work "because it's not worth it."
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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adam73bgt
Club Retro Rides Member
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1988 Renault 25 2.0 Monacoadam73bgt
@adam73bgt
Club Retro Rides Member 58
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Been enjoying reading through this so far, I quite like a big French barge even though I've never had one, I think their relative rarity adds something to the mystique.
Certainly had me off looking on eBay etc for a 25, xm or 605 😁
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1988 Renault 25 2.0 MonacoMercdan68
@forddan68
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Dec 12, 2022 17:05:04 GMT
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Wow what a rare old motor, great work so far I like that 👍
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Fraud owners club member 2003 W211 Mercedes E class 1989 Sierra sapphire 1998 ex bt fiesta van
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Dec 12, 2022 23:01:45 GMT
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Been enjoying reading through this so far, I quite like a big French barge even though I've never had one, I think their relative rarity adds something to the mystique. Certainly had me off looking on eBay etc for a 25, xm or 605 😁 That's a dangerous rabbit hole to fall down...nobody does luxury cars quite like the French I reckon. They might not be the fastest and some of the plastics might not be quite up to the standards of the Germans, but they tend to just be really comfortable barges you can cover vast distances in with great ease. You often find they can actually be hustled along a twisty road far quicker than you might expect. -- -- -- Wound up having to use this today despite the salt as for some reason there doesn't seem to be any diesel available around here - not at the five stations I checked anyway and the Caddy needs fuel. Great. One small detail was added today. Well nearly. Turns out that the Amazon cheapie disc holders are apparently useless - especially when you're trying to fit them while it's -3C. Think I need to get some better holders. I know I don't need a tax disc, it just seems odd to my brain if it's not there, so I figure one with the month and year it would have had when new makes sense.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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jimi
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I still have my tax disc holder fitted with a reproduction disc celebrating the MR2's 30th birthday
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Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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thomfr
Part of things
Trying to assemble the Duett again..
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Dec 14, 2022 13:38:27 GMT
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Nice! I checked my yearbooks etc. and as far as I can see only the V6 (turbo) was supplied as Monaco or Baccara in NL or D. Not the 2 litre version. Funny how different markets where served. Thom
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73' Alfa Giulia Super 64' Volvo Duett 65' Volvo Duett 67' Volvo Amazon 123GT 09' Ford Focus 1.8 20' VW ID4
71' Benelli Motorella 65' Cyrus Speciaal
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys
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Dec 15, 2022 11:18:37 GMT
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Yesterday's update that I apparently forgot to post... If you look closely at some of the interior photos of the R25 you will see that something is amiss with the cowling around the steering column and the stalks. Aside from bugging my OCD, it means the wiper and indicator stalks aren't quite where they're meant to be, and the back of the wheel scrapes the plastic when turning. Given I've seen prior evidence of this car having been broken into (passenger front window has obviously been replaced and I've hoovered out a bunch of cubes of glass), I had a hunch that was likely connected. Yep! Someone has had a really good go at breaking the steering lock - no idea if successful or not. The whole top of the column has been rotated to the left, meaning the ignition barrel isn't where it's meant to be. That's a job for further down the line. I suspect a whole upper steering column from a breaker is going to be the way to go and bash the mount back closer to the right shape when the dash is apart. I just wanted to take a closer look today to see if my hunch was correct. If anyone knows of someone who might have a donor steering column floating around I'm all ears. Was far too cold for doing anything much more in depth!
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Dec 15, 2022 17:59:30 GMT
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Great thread! My father had one of these as a company car back in 1988. £13,001.00 OTR from Arnold Clark in Eldersile. A car that is still fondly remembered in our household for it's comfort, and trips we took to France. At one stage my mother considered a match Renault 5 Monaco.
Seeing the keys was quite interesting. I recall the round one for the doors, and the normal one for the ignition. I'm pretty sure the remote was a seprate cuboid shaped affair rather than combined into a key.
Oddly enough it remained as a company car an extended period of 5 years, and needed an exhaust which the fitter did not enjoy. It was something like 8 pieces all in, and wasn't the easiest to fit and align.
As you noted the stereo was something to beold back in that time.
Our car (E491YGB) appeared outside my uni (Strathclyde) in about 1998, still sporting the towbar my father had fabicated for it.
Great project - would love to own one
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Dec 18, 2022 22:39:06 GMT
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Ran out of steam before I could get it uploaded, but the webpage for the R25 is complete up to where we've got with it. Won't really be anything on there you've not already seen here save for some higher resolution photos.
It's now booked in on January 4th to have the front suspension looked at to hopefully get rid of the knocks and clonks coming from there.
Tasks I'd really like to get done in the next couple of days weather permitting:
[] General service. Caddy is due an oil change too if memory serves.
[] Inspect the timing belt. I'll change it (or have it changed) in the spring anyway as it's due by time, though it's only done ~600 miles since it was fitted. I'd feel more at ease if I've had a look at it I think.
[] See if I can get the stereo out to check for unplugged/damaged cables.
[] Clean the poor thing...
...Try not to come up with yet more excuses to drive it somewhere.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Today on "random coincidences spotted while out shopping..." I did not park in that spot deliberately. Well, I did but purely because it was the one with the least other cars around. I didn't spot the numerical matching that had happened until I was stowing shopping for the drive home. A little present arrived in the mail today. Which has confirmed a couple of things. Firstly is that the Monaco is indeed an up-specced GTS. Second is that the colour was in fact unique to the Monaco, and was referred to as Oak Bronze. This is useful to know for cross referencing purposes when I come to actually try to buy paint for the car. Here's the contents of that foldout brochure. This is a 1987 brochure, so predates the switch to fuel injection. In addition, the webpage for this vehicle is live over here.Yesterday's comment: "I really should stop coming up with excuses to drive the car..." Today: Manages to do 50 miles of local running around. Sigh... Has the novelty worn off yet? Nope. Yes there are issues, but I'm still standing by the original assessment I made when I had that really quick drive of my original one 19 years ago. This car just really, really suits me.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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misteralz
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I may drive a Volkswagen, but I'm scene tax exempt!
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Today on "random coincidences spotted while out shopping..." I did not park in that spot deliberately. Well, I did but purely because it was the one with the least other cars around. I didn't spot the numerical matching that had happened until I was stowing shopping for the drive home. I'm not seeing anything?
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misteralz
Posted a lot
I may drive a Volkswagen, but I'm scene tax exempt!
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Dec 20, 2022 10:52:57 GMT
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That was the joke.
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Dec 20, 2022 17:59:12 GMT
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Lovely old rarity that. Have seen lacquer peel temporarily sorted with a wet sand and polish. Not perfect but a good 10 foot looker.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Dec 20, 2022 22:39:08 GMT
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Lovely old rarity that. Have seen lacquer peel temporarily sorted with a wet sand and polish. Not perfect but a good 10 foot looker. The gent who will be sorting out the rust for me does all stages of bodywork including paint, so we'll have a good chat about what's the best way forward with that when he's seen the car. Really the whole driver's side wants paint because of there being a scrape along both doors and the front wing anyway. -- -- -- I've been waiting on some silver cable ties turning up so I could apply some additional security to the wheel trims on the R25. Slightly irked when they turned up and are actually just dark grey. Meh, will do for now. At least I know the trims are going to stay put. I originally thought these were secured by the wheel bolts but they're not. Nor do they clip onto the wheels massively securely - especially with the modern zinc wheel weights being rather chunkier than the old lead ones. Combined with the number of pot holes that there are around here I could just see one of these frisbeeing itself off into the sunset one day and really don't fancy trying to find a replacement. So slightly ugly cable ties it is for now until I come up with a better solution. None of my cars gets to live a completely sheltered life...They all need to earn their keep. While I'd draw the line at carting dirty waste in the back of the R25, I'm absolutely not beyond using it to cart a whole bunch of cardboard and an old bookcase to the recycling centre. Plenty of space once the seats are folded down. The rear seat folding mechanism definitely gets a mention...I've never seen anything quite like it. As you fold the backrest down the base is attached to a linkage so you just need to give it a little lift to get it started then it folds itself up out of the way as the backrest drops - the reverse happens when you fold it back up again. The forward section of the parcel shelf remains attached to the seat back. I'll need to record a video to show how it works, as it's really quite clever...and more the sort of thing I'd have expected to see in the Merc S123 than an 80s Renault. Made it look like there wasn't very much in here at the end of the day. It took me a good 20 minutes or so carting stuff out of the house and dumping it in there though, there's a lot more in there than it looks like. You remember me mentioning that repair tape on the exhaust? I have a sneaking suspicion that "about this far" may have been the limit of its durability, as I'm pretty sure the exhaust has got louder. It is neither obtrusive nor unpleasant, just a nice purposeful growl on acceleration - but I'm sure it's louder than when the car arrived. I mean she probably hasn't had a decent run in forever, so that may just be I've now blown a load of curse word out of the system...but that sounds like wishful thinking. Exhaust may wind up being first up after the front suspension is sorted then. Especially as there's a godawful rattle from it somewhere up front-ish at certain revs which is incredibly annoying... No, I wasn't kidding about how annoying it was! The exact source of which has thus far eluded me...It kind of sounds like it's coming from inside the front silencer. Though it's quite hard to get a good look - ground clearance isn't something this car has a lot of so I'd really need to get it up in the air to have a proper look I think. Especially as the front silencer runs right to left across the car more or less under the front seats I think rather than down the middle front to back on most cars. It's a bit of a ridiculously complicated setup for a car of this age with no less than five sections. I know that (from the front) parts 3, 4 and 5 don't look to be in their first flush of youth, 4 is the one which has currently got tape on I believe - and I don't give good odds on any of those bits coming apart intact. That is not going to be cheap to have made up in stainless...but I see this car as a long-term keeper so may well just go down that road. I don't fancy the odds of cheap aftermarket systems (if I can even find one) fitting properly. Which is moderately annoying when you're trying to get two bits of pipe to line up and have some wiggle room - but the third section sits about an inch away from the inner sill and 4 actually passes *through* the rear chassis rail, so the potential for my descending into madness trying to fit an aftermarket system here is very high I reckon.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Dec 22, 2022 20:05:11 GMT
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Interesting update - thanks As I recall the paint finish was marketed as 'Supergloss' and compared to other metallics of the time it did have a lovely deep lustre to it. I think you're right, it was a GTS and then some with regard to spec. For some reason I recall being confused by seeing what looked like a Monaco but with GTS badges on the rear quarters. Likewise I thought the colour was unique to the Monaco. The 5 on the other hand had a choice of the bronze or a lighter version.
That is indeed one challenging looking exhaust system! I'd have thought maybe Autodoc would have been a good option given good survival rates on the continent. Bosal in my experience were usually better than some of the flimsier pattern pipes.
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Dec 22, 2022 22:20:59 GMT
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Interesting update - thanks As I recall the paint finish was marketed as 'Supergloss' and compared to other metallics of the time it did have a lovely deep lustre to it. I think you're right, it was a GTS and then some with regard to spec. For some reason I recall being confused by seeing what looked like a Monaco but with GTS badges on the rear quarters. Likewise I thought the colour was unique to the Monaco. The 5 on the other hand had a choice of the bronze or a lighter version. That is indeed one challenging looking exhaust system! I'd have thought maybe Autodoc would have been a good option given good survival rates on the continent. Bosal in my experience were usually better than some of the flimsier pattern pipes. Sadly Autodoc don't list any bits of the exhaust, the things it shows up are just "universal" things. If you look closely at the photo in that brochure it actually shows GTS on the rear quarters. I'm guessing the first examples were probably badged that way. The colour is interesting, it does just look "brown" so far in my photos, but when clean and particularly in direct sunlight there's a much more coppery base hue in there. Somehow they managed to get away with the gold badging on the rear quarters when it managed to look so overly blingy on any Lexus (in my opinion). Hopefully I'll be able to get this one looking vaguely tidy one day. Today was largely spent twiddling my thumbs waiting for a transporter to materialize to collect the Cavalier - who then never appeared. Apparently 0830 tomorrow morning, we'll see I guess. I did swap the air filter out on the R25 though as it was an easy, quick thing I could do while I was still waiting for them. I wanted to take a closer look at the housing to investigate the crack I'd seen in the lid. Turns out it is indeed through to the clean side of the filter. I've temporarily patched this with some aluminium tape, I'll deploy some epoxy to more permanently fix this shortly until a replacement lid turns up.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Dec 23, 2022 10:13:35 GMT
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That's a pity the exhaust bits will be tough to get - as you suggest a stainless one might be an option, albeit a bit of an investment... I'm running an early Audi S8 and that's getting tough for bits.
Just seeing the boot lid open reminded me of our car. We got ours when I was 12 years old. My father and I used to walk the dog in the evening and our route took us past a local rural garage (long since demolished). Anyway, languishing on their forecourt and quite borked, was a Jensen Interceptor SIII. The pair of us really liked that car, and in some ways the wrap round rear glass of the Renault 25 felt like a bit of a homage to the Jensen.
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Dec 24, 2022 22:41:21 GMT
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Today I learned that you can't just pull the stereo straight out of the dash in a Renault 25. Even with the helpful little panel above it that unclips there's nowhere near enough room to pull it up before it hits the dash. Looks like it's a pull the whole centre console out job. That's a job for some time that's not right now. Seats are looking healthier now after half a dozen passes with the leather feed. Now feeling a good deal less like cardboard.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Dec 27, 2022 21:18:20 GMT
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I had really hoped to get quite a few things done today as our guests headed home in the early afternoon so I could quit the awkward socialising. Then the weather absolutely nose dived. I eventually gave in after about half an hour of trying to ignore the sleet. Only thing I managed to achieve was replacing the bit of tape on the R25 airbox with some chemical metal. Will slap a bit of paint on it once the rest has been cleaned, will be less obvious then. Also swapped the 10mm nut holding the lid on for a thumbscrew so I no longer need tools to open/close the air filter housing. There's a local classic car show on the morning of January 1st which I'm going to take the Renault along to. I'd *really* like to have at least had the opportunity to have washed it before then...
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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