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Nov 27, 2022 20:56:52 GMT
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Thing is its not driving into London, its the Greater London area. when you look at the map those down in Surrey and Kent have some areas unaffected.
I think the idea of reducing polution is a good one, visiting my 90 year old mum is something i'll pay £12.50 for as i don't go in every day. I just feel sorry for anyone that doesn't have the right car and under current financial situation can't afford to change.
Congestion charge is on top of ULEZ dependant on how far you go into the hole that London is.
There are plans for a scrapage scheme apparently , maybe a load of good non ULEZ stuff coming up for cheap for those of us currently not yet affected by such malarky.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Nov 27, 2022 21:00:55 GMT
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I don’t understand why anyone would want to drive into ANY city never mind London. It’s a terrible experience Because public transport is often a worse experience. (Or because they live there) Make a better excuse not to go. Move house 😀👍🏼 |
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Dez
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Nov 27, 2022 21:27:44 GMT
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I don’t understand why anyone would want to drive into ANY city never mind London. It’s a terrible experience Because public transport is often a worse experience. (Or because they live there) True. Possibly the only UK public transport I’ve not found projectile vomit inducing is the tram in Sheffield. It does sort of make sense to use the park and ride on the parkway and take the tram into town, as it’s cheaper and it’s not that busy of you’re not using it at peak times. There’s something about trams that manages to be slightly nicer than both busses and trains. London public transport is especially awful though, I’m consistently amazed anyone wants to use it at all. |
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vulgalour
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Nov 27, 2022 21:30:44 GMT
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1951 Lanchester LD10 - At the grand old age of 71, I'm fairly certain this one is exempt.  1980 Austin Princess - A comparatively sprightly 42 and also exempt, as I understand the rules.  1988 Rover Maestro - This youngster, at a mere 34 (and the current daily driver) might incur the fee?  What's confusing me on this one is that when I put the information in on all of the above, I get exactly the same information from the TFL ULEZ checker. The Maestro, the one I assume will incur the fee, provides this:  It's exactly the same result for all three cars. I've only very rarely gone inside the M25, never Greater London when driving, but now I don't know if I'm supposed to pay or not should I have to or want to for any reason. In fact, it's the same result for my other half's 13 plate Fiat Doblo diesel which we know incurs the fee since he's had to pay it on previous visits to friends. Is it one of those things where it only tells you for definite when you go to pay? |
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Nov 27, 2022 22:03:26 GMT
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I know there's at least one company who will test your motorbike for NOx and offer a ULEZ exemption if it passes (Euro 3 for bikes so a lot of older bikes pass with no issues). If it doesn't, they'll tweak the jetting to make it run a little richer which reduces NOx and often brings it into compliance.
Haven't heard of it for cars yet, but shouldn't be terribly difficult to do if there's a legal way of doing it.
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Nov 27, 2022 23:44:11 GMT
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Hmm, I wonder if this guy does a lot of commuting into London?    I'm guessing from the wheels that it's a Spitfire on an MX-5 chassis? Some kind of conversion kit? What's the score? Curious! If he does I can't help feeling he's a genius cladding his modern daily in old bodywork to escape paying another fee which is just another scam to rip off the motorist. I've always wondered how charging people even more to drive their cars is good for the environment? In my opinion it's not, it has nothing to do with making the environment cleaner, it's just about raising revenue. I've always thought that if it was genuinely an environmental issue then the answer is simple, make public transport work properly and reliable, and make it cheap, or better yet, free. If you did that I honestly believe that people would give up their cars in droves, and the air would be cleaner. But obviously that'll never happen because as I said, it's not so much about quality of air, it's about generating revenue and the motorist is an easy target for that. |
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Haven't heard of it for cars yet, but shouldn't be terribly difficult to do if there's a legal way of doing it. This makes senses. Whilst I'm pretty sure there is some revenue raising element to this, I do also believe the stated aim of reducing particulates. So if you can prove your individual car is compliant I don't see why it should be a problem to excempt it, the excemptions for older things have to be applied for anyway I think(?), so it is just the same system. |
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it has nothing to do with making the environment cleaner, it's just about raising revenue. I've always thought that if it was genuinely an environmental issue then the answer is simple, make public transport work properly and reliable, and make it cheap, or better yet, free. How do you fund that exactly? When in real terms the primary sources of income for councils in London has fallen by 60+% over the last decade. The answer is simple, but like a lot of simple answers it has very complex mechanisms behind it that aren't quite so simple. |
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ChasR
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it has nothing to do with making the environment cleaner, it's just about raising revenue. I've always thought that if it was genuinely an environmental issue then the answer is simple, make public transport work properly and reliable, and make it cheap, or better yet, free. How do you fund that exactly? When in real terms the primary sources of income for councils in London has fallen by 60+% over the last decade. The answer is simple, but like a lot of simple answers it has very complex mechanisms behind it that aren't quite so simple. This. The best public transport I’ve seen is in Finland. It was seamless between cars and busses, all quite new. Not as many folks own cars. My mate’s mum moved there and has not bought a car for this very reason. But they have a smaller population and they pay a fortune on tax. You can see where the taxes go mind you, and they do have folks who believe in the government as a religion. Cycling is also more of a thing over here. But crime is nowhere near as bad. I’d use my motorbike, but with the surge in thefts, I can’t bear to have it nicked. Most car drivers here are quite hostile to both pushbikes and motorists. As you say, there’s no simple answer. It does make me laugh when folks say “just pay them less” regarding councils, but that is a topic for another day. |
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bilkob
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Does a 635CSI really pass the ULEZ? It it was a 635…….
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ChasR
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Does a 635CSI really pass the ULEZ? It it was a 635……. ULEZ for Greater London expansion comes in 2023. 635CSI came out in 1982 with it being 1978 for some Markets, so it meets the 40 year old rule M635CSI came out in 1984, so even that isn’t miles away. |
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Last Edit: Nov 28, 2022 8:53:25 GMT by ChasR
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slater
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All this guff is the best thing that happened for retro motoring in years. Now theres a solid reason to run (and maintain, restore and generally look after) real retro cars. Most are already exempt and more become exempt every year.
Anything mid 80s+ has got a whole lot more valuable. Hopefully it will see alot more of these cars saved used and upgraded to modern standards as now there more to it than just having a nice weekend car to show off with.
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Nov 28, 2022 12:04:05 GMT
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Because public transport is often a worse experience. (Or because they live there) True. Possibly the only UK public transport I’ve not found projectile vomit inducing is the tram in Sheffield. It does sort of make sense to use the park and ride on the parkway and take the tram into town, as it’s cheaper and it’s not that busy of you’re not using it at peak times. There’s something about trams that manages to be slightly nicer than both busses and trains. London public transport is especially awful though, I’m consistently amazed anyone wants to use it at all. I occasionally use the local bus service. Its convenient and its not unpleasant during most of the day. Last bus home is special though. The thing is that Nottingham, like many cities, has rationalised its bus routes into a hub & spoke with the assumption that all people want to do with a bus is get from the suburbs into the city centre. If you want to go from one suburb to another its a faff. My ex lives on one spoke, the local ASDA is on another spoke. She literally has to get the bus into town then another bus out to ASDA. Which is a stupidly short distance from her house in a direct line. The suburban bus that used to take that route is now cancelled. I used to use the bus into town for saturday shopping with The Child. But the prices went up and up and the convenience of the car wins out. Until they hike the parking prices (£7.50 for 2.5 hours!) and then I think maybe I'll try the bus again...  I use the trains when I have to. I find them a faff. Cost me (or rather my employer) £197 to send me to London and back last week. I didn't feel like I got value for money. |
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Nov 28, 2022 12:25:53 GMT
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For those who care... 1956 Humber Hawk  1957 Daimler Conquest  1966 Buick  1968 Ford Galaxie  1968 Plymouth Fury  1969 Ford Country Squire  1969 Mercury Marquis  1970 Buick Skylark  1970 Ford Galaxie  1970 Morris Minor  1971 Ford Galaxie  1975 Ford LTD  1976 Ford Capri  1976 Lincoln  1994 Ford Fiesta  - so are we sayig I should be able to get the tax exempt ones made ULEZ free as well? Its kinda hilarious the only(?) one which would be paying ULEZ fees is the smallest, more economical, least poluting car I own |
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Last Edit: Nov 28, 2022 12:27:31 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 28, 2022 14:02:21 GMT
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Manchester was all set to introduce a similar thing but then covid happened and it's been put on hold thankfully.
Don't envy anyone facing paying this in and around London.
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slater
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Nov 28, 2022 15:40:18 GMT
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- so are we sayig I should be able to get the tax exempt ones made ULEZ free as well? Its kinda hilarious the only(?) one which would be paying ULEZ fees is the smallest, more economical, least poluting car I own Yep. I'm not sure what happens if you don't but I can't see a fine sticking as they clearly state historics are exempt and theres no law on checking your car on thier curse word website. If your cars historic its historic and exempt full stop as far as I'm concerned. Also yes that's how utterly stupid it all is. Every aspect of it is equally as illogical and flawed. |
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Nov 28, 2022 16:08:44 GMT
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There is a ULEZ type thing coming to sheffield soon, "currently" only aimed at comercial vehicles but it wont be long until it's expanded. It's supposed to be to help with polution but it's set to bring in £23k per day.
If they truely wanted to lower polution they would have bought EV busses and rented them to the bus companies with the money instead.
Or they could stop purposely creating bottle necks for traffic.
We have just moved out of Sheff and if I didnt have to go in for work I would have no reason to go in, even working in the centre I don't venture out as it's a dump lol.
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Last Edit: Nov 28, 2022 16:12:17 GMT by joem83
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Dez
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Nov 28, 2022 16:47:04 GMT
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There is a ULEZ type thing coming to sheffield soon, "currently" only aimed at comercial vehicles but it wont be long until it's expanded. It's supposed to be to help with polution but it's set to bring in £23k per day. If they truely wanted to lower polution they would have bought EV busses and rented them to the bus companies with the money instead. Or they could stop purposely creating bottle necks for traffic. We have just moved out of Sheff and if I didnt have to go in for work I would have no reason to go in, even working in the centre I don't venture out as it's a dump lol. Bradford have just started the same iirc. It says motorbikes and private cars aren’t charged. So presumably vans and pickups are, as well as the bigger stuff. Various companies are already preempting further cities doing the same and many distribution centres and even quite small businesses are moving to areas that are semi-rural but right on major roads in an attempt to stay in uncharged areas. The Industrial estate near me that’s well outside an town but right on the a1 is expanding rapidly. So in about 5 years all the councils will be crying they’re not getting any business rates becuase all the businesses have moved out of the zoned areas 🙄 |
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Nov 28, 2022 16:49:10 GMT
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Birmingham has a LEZ and guess what, *all* the car parks are inside of it so you are stuck if you go by car... ugh.
As I recall there are 23 cities in the UK were supposed to have LEZ/ULEZ zones in place, the first set in by 2022 but the Covid thing put it all on the back burner. Nottingham was one of those.
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hkr91
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Nov 28, 2022 16:58:23 GMT
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Some cities I've visited have Clean Air Zones (CAZ) however I have heard previously that other cities are adopting a similar approach.
A friend heard on Essex Live something about Southend and Basildon having an emissions based scheme implemented however I'm yet to see anything concrete.
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