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With regards to the GVW of this vehicle, with the container now removed, you have already identified the fact that it is light on the back end. Therefore, some form of ballast will more than likely have to be installed. With the cover over the engine/transmission; spare wheels; some form of roll-cage; the weight is steadily increasing, and achieving 3.5tonne GVW disappearing over the horizon. I must say that I think that the response from land-owners seeing such a vehicle trundling across their land, may well evoke an unwelcome response. Is there an legal definition as to what vehicles can or cannot use green-lanes? Nevertheless, still a nice vehicle, but not without potential problems re licensing and the attention of VOSA. The 6x6 weighs just 2100KG's without a back on it. So that's 400KG's to allow for arches, engine cover and a cage for the cab leaving around 1000KG's to carry anything extra such as recovery gear and spare wheels. So 3500kg GVW is more than possible. I could solve the stiff rear suspension issue due to lack of weight by simply removing a leaf spring rather than adding weight. By-Ways open to all traffic have no restrictions on them so you are free to drive on them with whichever vehicle you wish, there is a code of conduct but it is is not law and only suggests driving speeds and numbers of vehicles you should go with. Anyone who owns land with a by-way on it will be well aware of its legalities. You over estimate the size of the truck i think, its no wider than a discovery and no taller than one with a roof rack fitted. As tractors and farm machinery regularly use by-ways I can't see many people having issue with a military truck, aside from the usual moany ramblers which will cry at anything with and engine anyway. I am in Wiltshire also and use Salisbury plains often which is a military training ground so locals would not know the difference between my truck and an actual army one. I have been laning for 15 years so I have a good idea how to use the lanes safely and responsibly.
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With regards to the GVW of this vehicle, with the container now removed, you have already identified the fact that it is light on the back end. Therefore, some form of ballast will more than likely have to be installed. With the cover over the engine/transmission; spare wheels; some form of roll-cage; the weight is steadily increasing, and achieving 3.5tonne GVW disappearing over the horizon. I must say that I think that the response from land-owners seeing such a vehicle trundling across their land, may well evoke an unwelcome response. Is there an legal definition as to what vehicles can or cannot use green-lanes? Nevertheless, still a nice vehicle, but not without potential problems re licensing and the attention of VOSA. *woop woop* here comes the fun police
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Dec 15, 2022 11:11:25 GMT
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Not at all; I understand that those involved in green-laning frequently encounter problems emanating from various quarters. Any vehicle seen as being different is likely to draw attention and comment. I can understand using this vehicle at Pay and Play Days, exhibited at shows for others to see and enjoy; using it where it may well be the catalyst for ruining things for many others, is questionable. The idea with a Unimog died a death, after the vehicle was asset stripped; it is almost as though this a repeat all over again. A nice vehicle, but it comes with certain constraints purely because what it is. How many Steyr Pinzgauer 6x6's do you see out green-laning, which should be an indicator. It will be interesting how this project progresses and its ultimate destination.
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Dec 15, 2022 18:14:59 GMT
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As I say been doing this a long time so I probably have a better knowledge of what is suitable and what is not. A Pinz is also a very small truck. As a kid I was cycling down a by-way with a river one day and some bloke went through when it was super deep, ever since then I always wanted one, if I can do that for other kids and get them excited about machines then that keeps me happy and the odd moaner on a by-way, who would moan no matter the vehicle I really don;t care about.
Its not really your problem what I do with my vehicles. I have had over a hundred. Some I buy to enjoy as well as making money. I doubled my money on the Unimog. the intention was to use it but it was too tractor like to use on the lanes to drive. The Volvo is very different.
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Dec 15, 2022 19:23:57 GMT
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Might be big by landrover standards but compared to most modern tractors which also use a lot of green lanes it's not.
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It would appear that I have touched a raw nerve. I understand that amongst other things you talk of being a motor-trader; therefore' 100 vehicles going through your hands is not a lot. Just bear in mid the others who go green-laning and what impact your vehicle could ultimately be used as fuel to ban this activity. I fully support the use of motor vehicles in an off-road scenario, but in the right context.
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Davey
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Less politics, back to the cool truck news!
What's the plans for the back of it?
Also having not seen a Pinzgauer before, I now need at least 5.... Or at least one Kamaz 8x8 of some variety. Now that would upset the green lane haters.
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K11 Micra x3 - Mk3 astra - Seat Marbella - Mk6 Escort estate - B5 Passat - Alfa 156 estate - E36 compact Mk2 MR2 T-bar - E46 328i - Skoda Superb - Fiat seicento - 6n2 Polo - 6n polo 1.6 - Mk1 GS300 EU8 civic type S - MG ZT cdti - R56 MINI Cooper S - Audi A3 8p - Jaguar XF (X250) - FN2 Civic Type R - Mk2 2.0i Ford Focus - Mercedes W212 E250
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The plan is to have some tube frame work made to carry two spare wheels and tyres as well as recovery gear such as farm jack, straps etc. Just having engine cover and rear arches made at the moment. Will also have alarger ally fuel tank made as it only currently holds 80 litres, would be nice to have 140 litres.
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Davey
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Dec 19, 2022 10:09:25 GMT
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Inspiration?
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K11 Micra x3 - Mk3 astra - Seat Marbella - Mk6 Escort estate - B5 Passat - Alfa 156 estate - E36 compact Mk2 MR2 T-bar - E46 328i - Skoda Superb - Fiat seicento - 6n2 Polo - 6n polo 1.6 - Mk1 GS300 EU8 civic type S - MG ZT cdti - R56 MINI Cooper S - Audi A3 8p - Jaguar XF (X250) - FN2 Civic Type R - Mk2 2.0i Ford Focus - Mercedes W212 E250
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Inspiration? Caww yea what a beast!
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raumer
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Dec 23, 2022 19:09:44 GMT
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One of my favourite vehicles, very jealous. Brilliant off roaders and not much will keep up with them. Sadly a lot have lost their axles as they are an easy fitment to Landrovers. Diffs on the same side and the same width as Defenders. If you haven't already come across them there are a number of Finnish ones that have done Ladoga both as competitors and support vehicles (4x4's for the former and 6x6's for the latter. The LR4x4 forum is a good source for information on the axles and links to some of the modified.
Size wise they are deceptive. Definitely not a big vehicle. The 4x4 version is the same width as a Defender and shorter than a 110 Defender. And a 110 is shorter than just about every estate car you can get now! The 6x6 is longer but probably only about the same as a 130 Defender. Being forward control they do look a lot bigger and more imposing than bonneted.
Good luck with the project. And you may already know that the engine can be tuned a long way and ultimately was developed in to the T5 engine.
Ed
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Mine: 1938 Scammell Pioneer R100, 1944 Scammell Pioneer SV2/S, 1959 Kraz 255b tractor unit, 1960 Unipower Industrial ballast tractor, 1960 88 Landrover Series 2 SWB, 1983 110 Landrover CSW
Look after: 1935 Scammell Rigid 6, 1951 Scammell Scarab, 1961 Landrover Prototype, 1985 Landrover 110
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glenanderson
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Dec 23, 2022 23:36:18 GMT
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Regardless of what you do with this particular vehicle, it’s definitely worth considering taking your test and getting a C1 license. It might not be necessary for the Volvo, but it does open up the potential for other stuff in the future. 😀👍
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Dec 24, 2022 12:02:21 GMT
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As I say been doing this a long time so I probably have a better knowledge of what is suitable and what is not. A Pinz is also a very small truck. As a kid I was cycling down a by-way with a river one day and some bloke went through when it was super deep, ever since then I always wanted one, if I can do that for other kids and get them excited about machines then that keeps me happy and the odd moaner on a by-way, who would moan no matter the vehicle I really don;t care about. Its not really your problem what I do with my vehicles. I have had over a hundred. Some I buy to enjoy as well as making money. I doubled my money on the Unimog. the intention was to use it but it was too tractor like to use on the lanes to drive. The Volvo is very different. I used to work for an engineer who was also a Steyr agent so had quite a few Pinz and Halflinger vehicles and spares. Can remember on more than one occasion smashing up brand new gearbox casings to melt and cast parts for vintage tractors.
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Tamber
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Regardless of what you do with this particular vehicle, it’s definitely worth considering taking your test and getting a C1 license. It might not be necessary for the Volvo, but it does open up the potential for other stuff in the future. 😀👍 To be honest, if you're going to go to all the hassle, I wouldn't bother going for a C1 (rigids up to 7500kg); you might as well at least go for the full-bodied C (rigids up to 32 tonne, the old class 2.), it's the same test and same expense! (Though, if you're really feeling ballsy, you can go straight to a C+E (class 1, artics) in one hit these days! )
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glenanderson
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Regardless of what you do with this particular vehicle, it’s definitely worth considering taking your test and getting a C1 license. It might not be necessary for the Volvo, but it does open up the potential for other stuff in the future. 😀👍 To be honest, if you're going to go to all the hassle, I wouldn't bother going for a C1 (rigids up to 7500kg); you might as well at least go for the full-bodied C (rigids up to 32 tonne, the old class 2.), it's the same test and same expense! (Though, if you're really feeling ballsy, you can go straight to a C+E (class 1, artics) in one hit these days! ) Yes, I’d forgotten that you can currently go straight to C or even C+E at the moment.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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With the new reg on it was about time we took the truck out for its first proper test run. So we headed to Salisbruy plains military ranges in very wet conditions with my pal in his little Jimny. I don;t know about other people but driving stuff new to me I am constantly on edge until we have a successful journey as I worry about things going wrong. With the Plains just 30 mins from home and lots of mud and ruts to test in, it is a great proving ground that we can use and if things go wrong friends are only a phone call away. The adventure was a great success and the only issues that came up were actually on road rather than off road. Anything above 45mph for a consistent amount of time the mechanical lift pump does not seem to keep up with the amount of fuel the carbs require to run the engine properly so she starts to miss fire. A small electric fuel pump in place of the mechanical one should solve this issue nicely. I also found that going through some deep puddles fast on the road caused water to get into the engine bay and create a fault with electrical components which would in turn stop the engine until it dried again. So I need to find the source of this problem but will also have an undertray made to prevent the ingress of water. If I am honest with myself I have never been that keen on using petrol engines off road so maybe at the end of 2023 we will look at fitting a landcruiser or Unimog engine in place of the B30. Up on the plains there is one section in a big dip with about 5 routes you can take. I opted for what i thought was an easier route for the truck, but upon dipping into the rut, the whole truck basically disappeared and the water came up to the bottom of the doors.....thats quite deep then. Despite only having the rear axle lockers engaged the old girl churned her way through the deep sludge to the other side, we had submerged the engine and all of the back end of the truck in that time and I was amazed that the petrol engine didn't conk out. In my infinite wisdom I had forgotten to figure out how to use the front locker so we were just stuck getting out the last bit. Luckily we had the trusty Jimny we we chucked a strap on and used as an anchor to give us a little nudge out. We all breathed a sigh of relief whilst a took my headlights out and emptied them of water. After that little episode and already having been out for several hours we decided it was the right time to head home and give the trucks a good old wash. I took a picture of the truck in the charge bay at the fuel station for comedy value and we headed home for some dry clothes. Driving this thing about is an absolute adventure and it gets loads of interest. So far it is exactly what I expected. I might stick some footage on Youtube in the coming weeks.
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glenanderson
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You don’t really register how small it is until you see it next to a Jimny.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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raumer
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Have you thought about fitting the Landrover 300tdi engine and gearbox? There are a couple in Finland that have had it fitted. Not sure on engine mounts etc... but the transfer box layout is the same for the Volvo and Landrover. It's the main reason the axles are so popular on Landrover's - diffs have the right offset.
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Mine: 1938 Scammell Pioneer R100, 1944 Scammell Pioneer SV2/S, 1959 Kraz 255b tractor unit, 1960 Unipower Industrial ballast tractor, 1960 88 Landrover Series 2 SWB, 1983 110 Landrover CSW
Look after: 1935 Scammell Rigid 6, 1951 Scammell Scarab, 1961 Landrover Prototype, 1985 Landrover 110
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TBH I would look at Japanese or German engines. Land Rover are not overly reliable and the engines are quite agricultural with not a lot of power. I was thinking 4.2TD Toyota, M606 Mercedes or even BMW M57.
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