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So it would appear if the Mayor London gets his way, the ULEZ will pretty much cover most of the inside of the M25 :-( I would have to get rid of 2 perfectly good vehicles (12 plate Golf diesel, 14 plate diesel van) as they are Euro 5. Again, :-( But this got me thinking, what RR cars are out there that are interesting and ULEZ compliant? Anything diesel seems a no-no. Seems after 2001 or so and petrol is safe? This link is the only way to be sure: tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/check-your-vehicle/2.0L Rav-4 3-door for a grocery getter? |
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it's nothing to do with pollution Never is & never will be Seem 40 year old cars fall into ULEZ atm, so should be some quite intersting stuff falling into ULEZ soon. Autotrader lets you search for ULEZ only, so worth having a look if anything floats your boat. Smart Roadster/for4 are ULEZ So are the Nissan Cubes |
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Last Edit: Jun 3, 2022 16:20:47 GMT by joem83
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2002 Suzuki Swift 1.0 is pretty retro, but still ULEZ compliant, I believe. Takes E10 fuel too. Can be made to look decent too.  |
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rodharris83
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Autotrader lets you search for ULEZ only, so worth having a look if anything floats your boat. Smart Roadster/for4 are ULEZ So are the Nissan Cubes Just been on Autotrader now, with that tick box certainly narrows down the field! Maybe I need to scratch that Audi A2 itch I've had for 10+ years and just bite the bullet :-) |
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skinnylew
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The checker on Autotrader is not 100% accurate though. all but the earliest Mk1 Focus is compliant i think VAG 1.8t engined cars seem to be compliant (think early A3, mk1 Octavia, mk4 Golf etc) V5 engined VAG cars are exempt if they are the later 170bhp engine the earlier 150bhp ones aren't (no prizes for guessing which one my Toledo has  ) Occasionally anomalies pop up, i checked an early Freelander TD4 and it came up as compliant, also Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 V8's are hit and miss, some say compliant some say not. Peugeot 306 - some later 2.0 and GTi-6 seem to be non compliant, later 1.8 and 1.6 appear compliant - weirdly the Y reg Xsara VTS 2.0 16v I checked (same engine as GTi-6) was complaint!!! I have found a late registered Peugeot 106 (52 reg) that is compliant, the only one I've found mind you Citroen Saxo mk1 non compliant, facelift mk2 appear to be compliant I think it generally seems to be if it has a newer type reg then it is compliant despite having the same engines as older registration number vehicles.....it's all a bit put you finger in the air and guess if you ask me...... |
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My dad is 85 and runs a Lexus is250
He was panicking last week as he lives in Dartford
And goes to crayford once a week for food shop
I checked his car last week on the official government site
It said no compatible a ulez charge applies
He wasn’t happy ….
Checked in the same site today and now it says it is compatible???
Done the same with my company van recently and I contacted my head office , they checked and no problem
As usual government sources seem unreliable
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skinnylew
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My dad is 85 and runs a Lexus is250 He was panicking last week as he lives in Dartford And goes to crayford once a week for food shop I checked his car last week on the official government site It said no compatible a ulez charge applies He wasn’t happy …. Checked in the same site today and now it says it is compatible??? Done the same with my company van recently and I contacted my head office , they checked and no problem As usual government sources seem unreliable The checker does seem to be a bit unreliable, with cars non compliant but with the same engine registered a bit later magically become compliant. Its all a complete farce tbh. |
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Anything to do with TfL is designed to be obtuse, difficult & exceedingly hard to use.
You need to think yourselves lucky all uk stuff is anpr , which if we had stayed in the EU a complaint was being made about discrimination as regsitration for us foreigners , & especially for any non EFl's is a nightmare of a minefield.
All appears to be designed either by a complete half-wit or done so as to scam money from people. just like there use of a company for payments that has no compunction of attempting to scam foreigners by illegally using the cross border directive for alleged offences that do not come under it, whilst attempting to obtain money under false pretences, obtaining a pecuniary advantage & deception. & they think I'd want to give them bank details!!
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slater
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You need to look for a retro not a modern. 81 and older are exempt and its only gettin better..
You think on a retro car forum people would have realised this by now 🙄
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You need to look for a retro not a modern. 81 and older are exempt and its only gettin better.. You think on a retro car forum people would have realised this by now 🙄 The nice/annoying thing with this is, engine conversions arent taken into consideration. So you can have a pre 81 car with a later non ulez engine and it doesnt matter lol. |
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Jun 16, 2022 10:38:54 GMT
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On the positive side, it would seem that the requirements are just that cars and bikes meet certain emissions regulations for NOx (Euro 4 for petrol cars, Euro 6 for diesel, Euro 3 for bikes). Not 100% sure if it's all the emission regulations, or just the NOx bit.
There's already a handful of centres open with NOx testing for bikes as apparently there's plenty of non-Euro3 bikes that will happily meet the regulations but don't have a certificate from the factory. If they don't meet the NOx requirements straight off the bat, you can tweak them to run a little richer as it's lean running that produces NOx in quantity. I think the oldest they've managed to get through is a late 80s bike of some sort, so there's scope for all sorts of things.
Haven't contacted them to see if they'll do cars yet, but if they can then that's a relatively simple option. Especially if you've got the ability to tweak the fuelling a little.
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Jun 16, 2022 13:11:34 GMT
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On the positive side, it would seem that the requirements are just that cars and bikes meet certain emissions regulations for NOx (Euro 4 for petrol cars, Euro 6 for diesel, Euro 3 for bikes). Not 100% sure if it's all the emission regulations, or just the NOx bit. There's already a handful of centres open with NOx testing for bikes as apparently there's plenty of non-Euro3 bikes that will happily meet the regulations but don't have a certificate from the factory. If they don't meet the NOx requirements straight off the bat, you can tweak them to run a little richer as it's lean running that produces NOx in quantity. I think the oldest they've managed to get through is a late 80s bike of some sort, so there's scope for all sorts of things. Haven't contacted them to see if they'll do cars yet, but if they can then that's a relatively simple option. Especially if you've got the ability to tweak the fuelling a little. Yeh one of my customers was saying the other day, he had a 96 Bandit 600 done. About £150 he said, I think |
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Yeah I saw £175 quoted on the site I was looking at which is in that sort of range. Personally I don't have much need to head into the new proposed ULEZ zone, and if I do it'll be rare enough that a £12.5 charge isn't really an issue. However, a mate of mine commutes to work in Biggin Hill which is just across the border. If he asks whether these bike companies can test cars I'll let folks here know.
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skinnylew
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I can see my bosses face if i turned up in something 40 yrs old for work   There is a vast swathe of retro cars between 1981 and 2001 the latter half of which would make a reliable and presentable daily without feeling like you are driving a future classic or nice 'retro' into the ground, that will happily run on E10 petrol, not cost a fortune to run with cheap maintenance and good parts availability. This isn't missing the point of the forum, in fact if anything you seem to have missed the point of this forum with your comment which is surprising considering you've been around so long  These are 20+ year old cars, my 51 plate Octavia Vrs came with a cassette player and cd changer, if that's not retro ICE i give up!! If you don't consider them to be retro, revisit this thread in 3 years or so because they will be 25 yrs old then and qualify for Classic Insurance!! |
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slater
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These CAZ and LEZ things are the biggest boost to retro motoring for years. Suddenly there's a massive extra incentive to own and drive real retro cars so it really surprises me people are still trying to come up with excuses why they need to drive a modern insted. I don't get where this idea retro motoring should only be a weekend pursuit came from. Personally I think its curse word! Your not 'running it into the ground' by driving it your using the bloody thing for what it's intended for, just look after it! Nows the time to invest in building a really top notch retro daily. It's going to pay massive dividends in the future if the rules stay as they are. It's clear the government want to kill off motoring but they have left a glaring loophole thats perfect for this scene to see some serious investment..
And yeh I don't consider a 2000s era hack to be retro I'm afraid, the forum has become the new autoshite. Like you say I've been on here long enough to remember what retro cars actually are 😂
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My retro daily driver is a ‘96 Audi TDI and definitely not ULEZ compliant. It does 50mpg.
For a while I also had an A8 4.2QS of a similar vintage which was ULEZ compliant. However, with mpg well under 20 in city driving, unless your mileage in the zone was going to be minimal, it would have been cheaper to pay the charge!
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These CAZ and LEZ things are the biggest boost to retro motoring for years. Suddenly there's a massive extra incentive to own and drive real retro cars so it really surprises me people are still trying to come up with excuses why they need to drive a modern insted. I don't get where this idea retro motoring should only be a weekend pursuit came from. Personally I think its curse word! Your not 'running it into the ground' by driving it your using the bloody thing for what it's intended for, just look after it! Nows the time to invest in building a really top notch retro daily. It's going to pay massive dividends in the future if the rules stay as they are. It's clear the government want to kill off motoring but they have left a glaring loophole thats perfect for this scene to see some serious investment.. And yeh I don't consider a 2000s era hack to be retro I'm afraid, the forum has become the new autoshite. Like you say I've been on here long enough to remember what retro cars actually are 😂 I get your point but from a practical standpoint I disagree. I have just 'retired' my 125k '01 325 Sport from daily duties. The MOT flagged up a few items and there are some other bits of wear and tear that need addressing and it's clear (as is the case with most 20+ year old BMWs) that it's starting to get a bit fragile. It's a car I love, that I spent a long time looking for and couldn't afford to replace now. I plan on keeping it, and whilst I could just keep on using it for the daily grind, the inevitable drip feed of repairs and parts required would start to make it prohibitive and frankly, annoying. A 20+ year old car is no spring chicken and plastics, rubber etc are all getting quite tired by now, even though I take good care of it. I would be 'running it into the ground' as I don't have time to be continually fettling it. A daily needs to be 'get in, drive and forget'. Running a cheap little 'modern' like a C1 as a daily (not that I've found anything yet, other than a confirmation of my loathing of public transport) ultimately costs less, when the road tax is say £20 a year compared to £360, the MPG is double and the consumables (two rear tyres on my 325 are a shade over £300) cost a fraction of those on the BMW. Can I use it as a daily? Yes. Will I? No. |
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