jmsheahan
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Jan 31, 2022 15:52:15 GMT
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Hi all,
Looking to refurbish a large collection of suspension parts on my resto, and was looking for some advice. Previous me has always slapped on whatever paint I've had in the garage (chassis black, hamerite, POR15 etc), but this time I'd like to do it properly using my compressor and budget-friendly gravity-fed spray gun to try and get a nice uniform finish.
I want something preferably satin, hard-wearing, and painted rather than powder coated.
My thoughts are blast, zinc prime, epoxy, followed by 2k acrylic top coat (extra layer, UV protection and safe to spray at home, no isocyanates).
Other than POR15, any decent recommendations I don't know about? And is something acrylic-based ok over epoxy?
What are you all using?
Many thanks (from a painting novice)
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Jan 31, 2022 16:38:00 GMT
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I asked this exact question a year or two ago, also as a complete novice, and as you might expect got a range of similar but different answers. There's no right way and everyone has their own opinion.
I was also going to start with zinc rich primer, BondaRust in my case, and this was confirmed a good idea. It's also delightfully easy to apply.
I was also going epoxy prime (not sure if you were meaning epoxy primer or epoxy mastic) due to the non-porous characteristics but was told this wasn't necessary if the top coat was right.
As you want it to be safe for home spraying I assume you're discounting typical automotive acrylic 2 pack top coat, so not sure what 2k acrylic you're referring to as I'm no paint expert. I was advised against 2 pack epoxy mastics, Jotun/POR15 etc, due to their sensitivity to prep and undercoat, and iirc they can chip and let water underneath similar to a powder coat. In the end I went with Frost Chassis Paint to overcoat and the results have been pretty good. It's a bit more a pain to use through the gun than acrylic 2k, I thinned to 15% with white spirit and use a 1.7 or 2.0 tip and as its single pack air dry I found it takes a good few days/week to fully cure even in the height of summer.
Best of luck with whatever you decide.
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Project Diary1975 Viva / 1988 T25 Camper / 1989 Mini / 1991 MX5 / 1992 Mini / 1994 Saab 9000 / 1997 Saab 9000 / 2008 Saab 9-5
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Jan 31, 2022 17:45:49 GMT
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That's basic 2k black, mixed with slightly more activator than normal, and brushed onto bare metal. I've done lots of things like this, including gates, line posts and it works well. If it was a job that I really cared about, I would have used 2k epoxy primer first. This sort of part is much easier to brush than it is to spray, and you don't need to quite as careful with your PPE
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jmsheahan
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Interesting reading, thank you both for such comprehensive replies! Much appreciated I may have gotten my wires crossed on the appropriate application. I had thought that Epoxy 'primer' and Epoxy 'mastic' were largely the same thing, the latter being a marketing phrase. However, on further reading, it seems the mastic may be a little thicker and tougher? In an ideal world, I'd zinc prime (Bilt Hamber Electrox is normally my go-to) and then epoxy prime over the top. Job jobbed. However, the UV stability of the finish concerns me slightly hence why I thought I may need a 2k topcoat to finish? I thought that 'Acrylic' versions of 2k meant no isocyanates (as opposed to solvent-based isocyanates) so safer to spray? Trade-off of being a longer drying time. I may well be mistaken! Brushing would be ideal, just not sure my ham-fisted painting skills would look good enough so would need have some element of self-leveling . The above looks great though!
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Last Edit: Feb 1, 2022 8:44:19 GMT by jmsheahan
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I've recently bought some stuff from eBay for painting suspension components, but I haven't actually got any of them on a car yet so it's a bit difficult to talk much about how well it lasts. I painted a subframe last year (and then chickened out of fitting it, so far at least) and I've caught it a couple of times without marking the paint. The product is called "TechniQ Ultra-TEQ Chassis and parts paint", I bought it in an aerosol but it's available in a normal tin as well. Finish looks good, but parts are on the shelf for now. I've a vague idea someone on here (or another forum somewhere) recommended it.
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slater
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Got to be honest for chassis parts I don't think it matters. We use 2k on bodywork because you can cut it but single part synthetics are decent enough paints for suspension unless you plan to buff it up 😂.
Never used a non icocyanate 2k so cant comment but those paints are all acrylics so most people will just refer to them as 'icocyanate free' to differentiate.
Primer sounds fine to me. Zinc will give some galvanic protection. Epoxy is almost just like an extra top coat. Makes sure theres plenty of resistance to moisture ingress.
Paint is always a bit of a trade off. 2k is stronger but brittler. Synthetics are more rubbery but damage easier. You cant really win.
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I usually use teamac metalcote, seems to work well enough.
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My understanding is the majority of 2 pack paints contain isocyanates as it is contained in the hardener rather than the paint itself. There are some non-iso hardeners around, I think generally referred to as converters or similar, which convert the acrylic from chemical dry via hardener mix to air dry. Here the trade off is the drying/curing time but take it from me, don't bother. They never seem to fully cure and don't have the hard wearing, resistant qualities of true 2 pack paint, you'd be better off with a single pack paint /enamel.
If you did want to go down the 2 pack route they are far safer to apply by brush with care than by gun as you don't have the atomised paint being able to enter via lungs/eyes/skin etc.
As you've read up epoxy primer and epoxy mastic are very different products. Epoxy primer is still very much a primer but as far as primers go has a reasonably thick build, good adhesion and best of all is non-porous. Epoxy mastic is I think designed to be a hard setting, high adhesion top coating but needs good quality prep to work well.
Don't forget to use a converter/primer (like dinitrol rc900) and cavity wax inside any boxed/reinforced sections of your components after painting. From my experience the shot blaster will be able to get more reach in these areas than your paint.
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Project Diary1975 Viva / 1988 T25 Camper / 1989 Mini / 1991 MX5 / 1992 Mini / 1994 Saab 9000 / 1997 Saab 9000 / 2008 Saab 9-5
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I've used glass reinforced paint from Arc Rite before but I only needed to do a few suspension bits so I brushed it on and had good results. This is the stuff I used, they can do any colour you like as well as the standard black. www.arc-rite.co.uk/corroless-rf16-glass-leaf-impregnated-gloss-top-coat-any-colour-10138Heres a video from some Land Rover chaps spraying it on if thats your preference I would advise to get the "S" primer as well as the top coat they mention in the video.
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jmsheahan
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Thanks so much for all of the advice and recommendations! Love this forum! Perhaps I need to stay away from 2K stuff. Especially if I spray it. I'm not a health and safety nutter but you only get one set of lungs and all that. The arc-rite stuff above looks very good and interesting he mentions it's what Buzzweld is based on. I've actually used their CIO paint before, wonder if I still have the tin in the garage. Great shout on coating the insides, I'll be sure to do that. I think I best do a little more reading up
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If you're taking the part back to bare metal, then I would use epoxy primer as your first coast. Epoxies have excellent adhesion to almost all materials, can be built relatively thickly if required & are very good at excluding water.
Epoxy primer over a zinc rich regular primer is a waste because its relying on the adhesion of the lesser primer underneath it. You can get epoxies with zinch phosphate for extra protection.
We use the stuff for barrier coating yacht hulls under the waterline & its great stuff.
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jmsheahan
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Feb 23, 2022 12:10:48 GMT
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I've trialed a few paints and methods now and I think I've settled on what I'm going to use going forwards. Bare metalled and prepped to the best of my ability, this is using Rustbuster's epoxy mastic. Opting against using a spray gun, this is thinned a little, then brush coated on, followed by a foam roller to spread the paint more evenly and leave a slightly textured finish. Various test pieces suggest it holds up to a beating pretty well so I've just done my van trailing arms in it and will leave as the final finsh. Inside I've coated with Buzzweld's WAR which should provide some cavity protection. Time will tell how they hold up but I'm pretty happy with the result. Thanks for all the help
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Last Edit: Feb 24, 2022 8:57:39 GMT by jmsheahan
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