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Nov 20, 2022 18:35:08 GMT
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Make sure those roof panels are extremely well supported - they sag like a child born out of wedlock when warm/on for a while. I would suggest a good layer of insulation under them first as well.
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Nov 20, 2022 19:36:25 GMT
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Another three weeks or so of slow progress owing to weather, preparations for the next stage of the house project, things going pear shaped, and general life. The shiplap cladding going on, starting with the areas at the front where the fences will attach to the garage walls: another hedgehog has taken up residence in the garden: possibly attracted by the free food and water provided each evening, while a storm gave us more firewood, which we don't need for at least a year, Andi lopped off all the unuseable twigs etc; nine one tonne bags full, for us to take to the tip, and I cut the larger pieces into manageable lengths for logging later. I have made a gentle slope between the base and kerbstones, My regular Tuesday visit to the local deadstock auction produced to remind me about why I am doing this, as well as yet more 400' of 2" x 1" tanalised roof batten on this occasion; ÂŁ80 which seemed reasonable. An expedition into the dodgy world of Gumtree and eBay produced nicely refurbished by an interesting local chap who warned me not to leave the Jeep unattended, in case his son stole its V8 to slot into his Land Rover. Less local, was this lovely "marble" fireplace: loaded into the Jeep by myself and a chippy working at the seller's house. En route to collection, a once in a vehicle's lifetime opportunity arose, On arriving home, assembly and closer inspection revealed that the advertised Italian marble was not entirely true: Three of its five component parts are indeed marble, the rest appears to be some type of resin, albeit a very good visual, touch, and weight facsimile of the real thing. after some "discussion" the seller has agreed to refund, and collect. I probably should have examined the reverse side, as well as the face for cracks and chips, but had no reason to doubt the description. Another lesson learned. As I continued with the garage framework, I have built in windows; double glazed Georgian ones no less, salvaged from son #4's house accumulated most of the roofing materials and commenced assembly: while Andi has creosoted the remaining fences where they join the garage walls. That is a load of progress mate. Liking those window frames.
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merryck
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Nov 20, 2022 20:10:22 GMT
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Make sure those roof panels are extremely well supported - they sag like a child born out of wedlock when warm/on for a while. I would suggest a good layer of insulation under them first as well. Seconded, I was recently helping to clear the gutters at my son's school and discovered that a massive section of roof is no longer properly covered as this stuff has sagged and receded a good 2-3cm minimum, leaving a lot of the timber frame underneath exposed and nowhere for the water to drain to. I was considering using some to replace my shed roof but I'm going for something else instead now.
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Make sure those roof panels are extremely well supported - they sag like a child born out of wedlock when warm/on for a while. I would suggest a good layer of insulation under them first as well. Thanks. The bod in the builders merchant's warehouse who served me the roof panels told me about the need for support, suggesting battens every 600mm. I have ample to do that, and can get more of the same easily enough; if you have experience of this material, your comments are much welcomed. For my planned use, car garaging, a workshop area, and servicing / general tinkering, I hadn't considered insulation, but happy to listen; what material would you suggest?
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Make sure those roof panels are extremely well supported - they sag like a child born out of wedlock when warm/on for a while. I would suggest a good layer of insulation under them first as well. Seconded, I was recently helping to clear the gutters at my son's school and discovered that a massive section of roof is no longer properly covered as this stuff has sagged and receded a good 2-3cm minimum, leaving a lot of the timber frame underneath exposed and nowhere for the water to drain to. I was considering using some to replace my shed roof but I'm going for something else instead now. The builders merchant bod who served me mentioned the need for plenty of support, adding that he had roofed his own sizeable shed with this material several years ago, and it has shown no sign of trouble; when you say receded, do you mean that the overlaps have disappeared because of the sagging between inadequate supports? Any other comments based on your experience welcomed.
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merryck
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when you say receded, do you mean that the overlaps have disappeared because of the sagging between inadequate supports? Any other comments based on your experience welcomed. Yes, that's exactly it. The sagging has caused the holes for fixings to tear slightly, elongating them and allowing it to pull back from the edge. I'm not sure what the fix is aside from an entire new roof, which they can't afford. I've been trying to work out if some flashing will be enough and filling the fixing holes with some sealant of some kind. Unfortunately that's the limit of my experience so I can't help any further, but if it's properly supported then I can't imagine it would be an issue. I'd probably regard it as a replacement for roofing felt as opposed to a replacement for a galvanised corrugated roof (so a solid sheet beneath it, or as closed as I could get to a solid sheet).
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glenanderson
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I’ve used that Onduline roof covering before, and would definitely agree that it needs decent support. I don’t think I would ever fit it over just battens, as even at 600 centres it’ll sag on a hot day or under snow loading.
Personally, if I were going to use it, I’d either batten at 400 centres, with celotex/kingaspan the same thickness as the battens between them, or lay it over OSB with a layer of breathable membrane between them.
It’s ok as a roof covering, but it wouldn’t be my first choice.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Nov 21, 2022 10:44:39 GMT
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I had the misfortune to use it to do a temp repair on my old garage roof. As it's bitumen based its very floppy when warm and has no intrinsic strength.
I'd agree with Glen and put OSB under it to support it.
Personally I'd use 50mm Celotex, 12mm OSB and then just use roofing felt - hot pitch is best.
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jimi
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Nov 21, 2022 16:57:43 GMT
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I’ve used that Onduline roof covering before, and would definitely agree that it needs decent support. I don’t think I would ever fit it over just battens, as even at 600 centres it’ll sag on a hot day or under snow loading. Personally, if I were going to use it, I’d either batten at 400 centres, with celotex/kingaspan the same thickness as the battens between them, or lay it over OSB with a layer of breathable membrane between them. It’s ok as a roof covering, but it wouldn’t be my first choice. I'd agree as well I used it for my shed, which already had a 12mm plywood roof with 2 layers of old felt. I laid it directly onto the roof and screwed it down, been fine for 3 or 4 years. If the roof had just been battens I would have sheeted it first, it's not rigid nor strong enough to be unsupported (In My Opinion)
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Last Edit: Nov 21, 2022 19:32:05 GMT by jimi
Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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Nov 21, 2022 21:43:55 GMT
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I’ve used that Onduline roof covering before, and would definitely agree that it needs decent support. I don’t think I would ever fit it over just battens, as even at 600 centres it’ll sag on a hot day or under snow loading. Personally, if I were going to use it, I’d either batten at 400 centres, with celotex/kingaspan the same thickness as the battens between them, or lay it over OSB with a layer of breathable membrane between them. It’s ok as a roof covering, but it wouldn’t be my first choice. I'd agree as well I used it for my shed, which already had a 12mm plywood roof with 2 layers of old felt. I laid it directly onto the roof and screwed it down, been fine for 3 or 4 years. If the roof had just been battens I would have sheeted it first, it's not rigid nor strong enough to be unsupported (In My Opinion) I agree with all the above, my dad roofed a shed with it years ago and even with battens at 400 centres it has still sagged over time. Its ok but doesn't look the best. Overboarding with something would be the best way forward and will help to keep it warmer in the garage even if you don't insulate.
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thomfr
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Nov 21, 2022 22:08:13 GMT
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I'm a big fan of sheet pile profile as it is not sagging and can be bought (used) insulated or with anti damp foil. Thom
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Dec 26, 2022 19:14:18 GMT
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Saw the house in the first post and realised you’re just round the corner!
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Saw the house in the first post and realised you’re just round the corner! Whereabouts are you?
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We’re in Caston Mill.
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We’re in Caston Mill. Very nice.👍🏻
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madmog
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Jan 16, 2023 10:23:09 GMT
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Never thought Baby Jake would pop up on Retro Rides!
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samta22
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Stuck in once more...
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Jan 16, 2023 11:43:37 GMT
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Just down the road too in Hilborough, but then you knew that already Phil
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'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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It's been some time since I updated. Sam, my youthful helper has been very ill with excruciating headaches and other unpleasant symptoms; as yet undiagnosed. we stay in touch and I hope for both our sakes that he is sorted out soon. We still have several cubic metres of topsoil left from the garage excavations, even after Sam used scores of barrow loads to fill depressions in the front lawn: Considering the advice offered here, I battened the garage roof at approximately 400mm centres, and used copious galvanised fixings to secure the sheets: By this time the weather had turned bitterly cold, so I temporarily attached some cheap Aldi tarpaulins to the frame, to offer the cars and remaining materials some shelter whilst I headed back to inside jobs for the Winter. The "French room", a 1985 extension of the Batman's tiny bedroom was always cold owing to an inadequate sized radiator, and having North facing sliding doors, albeit double glazed. Free wall space is quite limited owing to the doors, furniture, and fireplace, so we selected a vertical radiator which would just fit in a convenient spot on the opposite wall to the original: The original radiator had been fed from what is now the main bathroom above, and I had made appropriate alterations to the circuit to allow for the additional radiator whilst working on that, the plan being to feed the new one from the stubs which I had left protruding through the ceiling, then under floor to the original. More to come.
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glenanderson
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Nice work. You couldn’t really use that space for anything else.
I like that style of radiator. We have been steadily fitting modern “Acova” ones that look like that throughout our house as we’ve done each room.
I have to get on with our en-suite project very soon. It’s been on hold for a couple of years as circumstances overtook us, but I have little excuse for further delay now.
And, I’m subject to a ban on all but essential vehicle maintenance until it’s done, so I’d better crack on! 🤣
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Only today I was wondering what had happened to this thread.
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