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Jul 27, 2021 21:26:16 GMT
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I bought this for not much cheapness deep in the Welshland and carted it home on the trailer: I saw a video of one being rallied in Poland and it looked like so much fun ... I was surprised how not cheap these were anymore - I remember evesdropping on a neighbour having her crashed 126 being collected by a scrapman many years ago and he offered £5. I got £550 knocked off as he was asking more than it was worth. It's a bit of a heap to be honest. I got it running etc, and AT LEAST the body is completely solid. It had been in a barn for 10 years or so, and in storage before that, the underside is spotless and the only corrosion is a new welded panel on the bottom of the spare wheel well. I gave it a buff and a hoover, but it now needs a new passenger seat as the frame is completely buckled on the runners, the gearbox is allegedly knackered and needs a rebuild (the CV joint bumps on rotation at the gearbox end), the brakes are completely seized or locked on, the head possibly needs a rebuild. I intend to lower it a bit and possibly repaint it - half of the interior has already been through the washing machine and I'm waiting on brake components to arrive. It's ridiculously 'charming' and really does turn round corners very easily! Does anyone have any knowledge of these water cooled, Polish variants? Not sure if I'll keep it, I have a Brabus Smart Roadster that has just broken badly and a Suzuki SJ that still needs finishing, but at least get it freshened up before I make my mind up.
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Last Edit: Jul 27, 2021 21:28:28 GMT by DavidB
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Jul 27, 2021 22:11:19 GMT
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Cool car... I don't have any first hand knowledge of the watercooled engines, but by the looks of it they are basically a big bore version of the Fiat 500 Giardiniera engine with added waterjackets. It doesnt have a CV joint at the gearbox end, it is more like a wet (on the inside, with the gearbox oil) U-joint. It works with hardened steel sliders in the diff, and they are pretty much bulletproof. If it has a tight spot, it is more than likely at full droop ( when the car is on a floorjack ). The splines on the other end of the driveshaft can fail, though. But you'll know right away, because you'll have a box full of neutrals and a ratcheting sound coming from the rear. To replace a driveshaft, the gearbox has to come out and the diff has to be opened up ( this is all assuming the later watercooled cars are similar to the earlier aircooled ones. You've got the 98X4 boltpattern ( of all the 126's except for the very early ones ), so all brake components are easy to get and very affordable. So I'd just replace everything, except for the backingplates ( if they are in good condition ) I'd also lower it a bit and get some good shocks. They can handle extremely well ( no matter what Ralph Nader says about rear engined cars...) and be a lot of fun...
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Love it. TBH the rally one is a bit like a lawn mower on drugs, but all the better for it! Looking forward to seeing what you do with this!
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1968 Mini MkII, 1968 VW T1, 1967 VW T1, 1974 VW T1, 1974 VW T1 1303, 1975 Mini 1000 auto, 1979 Chevette, 1981 Cortina, 1978 Mini 1000 1981 Mini City, 1981 Mini van, 1974 Mini Clubman, 1982 Metro City, 1987 Escort, 1989 Lancia Y10, 1989 Cavalier, 1990 Sierra, 1990 Renault 19, 1993 Nova, 1990 Citroen BX, 1994 Ford Scorpio, 1990 Renault Clio, 2004 Citroen C3, 2006 Citroen C2, 2004 Citroen C4, 2013 Citroen DS5. 2017 DS3 130 Plenty of other scrappers!
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Jul 28, 2021 12:48:07 GMT
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Jul 28, 2021 19:21:45 GMT
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Cool car... I don't have any first hand knowledge of the watercooled engines, but by the looks of it they are basically a big bore version of the Fiat 500 Giardiniera engine with added waterjackets. It doesnt have a CV joint at the gearbox end, it is more like a wet (on the inside, with the gearbox oil) U-joint. It works with hardened steel sliders in the diff, and they are pretty much bulletproof. If it has a tight spot, it is more than likely at full droop ( when the car is on a floorjack ). The splines on the other end of the driveshaft can fail, though. But you'll know right away, because you'll have a box full of neutrals and a ratcheting sound coming from the rear. To replace a driveshaft, the gearbox has to come out and the diff has to be opened up ( this is all assuming the later watercooled cars are similar to the earlier aircooled ones. You've got the 98X4 boltpattern ( of all the 126's except for the very early ones ), so all brake components are easy to get and very affordable. So I'd just replace everything, except for the backingplates ( if they are in good condition ) I'd also lower it a bit and get some good shocks. They can handle extremely well ( no matter what Ralph Nader says about rear engined cars...) and be a lot of fun... Ahhh, that makes sense, the car was lifted - I have driven this and the gearbox is fine, it goes into every gear easily, and I've read these are sometimes like stirring rocks with a hotdog sausage. Thanks for the advice
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Jul 28, 2021 20:34:04 GMT
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I've raced cars with 600 and 500 boxes in them.
Most sloppyness in the shifting comes from the mechanism, or at least more than the boxes themselfs.
( So I usually make my own mechanism, to make the action more direct and tighten it all up )
These boxes can handle lightning fast shifts, but at higher HP levels can get a bit fragile.
For street use they can stand up to a lot of abuse as long as you never shift down into 1st while the car is still moving.
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Jul 29, 2021 11:02:03 GMT
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Cool car... So I'd just replace everything, except for the backingplates ( if they are in good condition ) I'd also lower it a bit and get some good shocks. They can handle extremely well ( no matter what Ralph Nader says about rear engined cars...) and be a lot of fun... The gearbox thing is a massive relief, and the UJ thing makes sense, it has the same action as turning a shaft with the joint fully bent. I bought complete braking components for the rear drums, it came to about £25. I point the blame at the brakes why it is so stuck (you can't even push it), and driving it feels like it's being pulled back by some force. If the backs are better I'll do the fronts as well. It does handle really well, it has a really satisfying turn in feel around corners at any speed, it's so responsive and direct.
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Last Edit: Jul 29, 2021 11:02:57 GMT by DavidB
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Jul 29, 2021 15:49:06 GMT
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Cool car but the rally version you see in action above is powered by a motorbike engine. I had the build and several races in my YouTube playlist before they got greedy and tried making us pay to watch ads.
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Jul 29, 2021 23:55:25 GMT
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Does anyone have any knowledge of these water cooled, Polish variants? Rare! If you decide to sell it let me know.
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2021 1:07:06 GMT by lalek
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madmog
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Fiat 126 Bismadmog
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Jul 30, 2021 22:29:37 GMT
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Does anyone have any knowledge of these water cooled, Polish variants? I had one from new in 1988 or 1989. I think they had just come out then as I vaguely remember looking at the (for the UK) previous version with air cooled engine the year before. The video above I think covers nearly everything. I had been in Poland a year or two earlier and was driven around for many hours in a Polish air cooled one four-up. They took a fair while to warm up in winter and the family squeezed in with coats I guess expecting the car to not be particularly warm. Much like everyone crammed on a bus or tube train at rushhour. My Bis heated just fine (for UK weather a least). The Bis felt like a pre-electronics Porsche, (but at lower speeds) everything was tight and the back end was always threatening to kick out. It felt really purposeful and pure. Thinking about it, it felt like a modified car that's just a bit too 'rallycar' for the road, stiff suspension and needed concentration. Compared to the air-cooled, the Bis had larger wheels with low profile tyres. While a 2cv I had with similar engine size and 2 cylinders could be a relaxed drive, the BiS was furious at any speed. Coincidentally or not I had two cars crash into my Bis during ownership. No accidents before or since. Having owned it 3 days, my first ever and only brand new car, someone went in to the back of it while waiting at traffic lights. Also at work I returned to the carpark to find someone went into the front end and crushed it in. It was able to drive after both events. But it always felt somehow invisible or perhaps psychologically further away for drivers so they misjudged distance I don't know. Being a small but well geared car, it drove like anything else around town but on dual carriageways or motorways, while it would do 70mph, that was about it. I was frequently tailgated by trucks on the motorway and couldn't get out of the dangerous situation. I eventually changed it in for a poverty Spec Panda 750 as I was spending a lot of time on the motorway and it felt dangerous - or rather it couldn't get away from dangerous drivers tailgating. The 750 fire engine (acronynym - Fully integrated Robotized Engine - not .. you know. ) was much better for the motorways though even that was weedy. (looks up specs... 26bhp Bis, 34bhp 750 Panda a 30% increase). While both are primitive NVH-wise, the Panda felt much less buzzy. Some days I practically fell out of the Bis with buzz fatigue. I believe the Bis's, though made in Poland, weren't sold there. Once the Bis was produced the air cooled 126's were no longer sold in the UK. FSM continued to produce an air-cooled 126 up to 2000 while the Bis ceased production earlier. It may be that the air cooled 126 was cheaper or was seen as simpler & more reliable in the Polish market. It is possible to fit a Fire engine in the back of a 126. While I'm all for bigger engines normally, the small wheelbase and extra rear weight could make this deadly. With the Fire engine having I think 170bhp in the Fiat 500 Abarth, 100bhp as a n.a. 1.4 in the Panda - nice for an airfield maybe Also see this: www.fiatforum.com/126/453333-126-bis-fire-engine-conversion.html
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2021 22:33:06 GMT by madmog
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Rare! If you decide to sell it let me know. I might be selling soon if I can't make fast progress on it and MOT doesn't happen in the next couple of weeks - it's completely solid and everything works! Thanks for all that info - that engine change looks interesting, I know it's not easy to get anything in there, but I reckon I could do that myself. If only you could get Uno's in scrapyards anymore! I found the reason why the car was so slow - the front left and rear left wheel was completely seized on the brakes and wouldn't turn by hand, couldn't even push it. I rebuilt the brakes with shoes, cylinders and new fitting kit and it's so much better now. That bottom spring is MASSIVE.
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Aug 22, 2021 21:07:37 GMT
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Sept 26, 2021 11:50:07 GMT
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jibjib Nice car you have there. I have a 126 which I'm modifying - so far.... lowered suspension, Smart car seats, RHD conversion, disc brakes, sunroof, 13" wheels, 175/50 tyres. I have a thread here... forum.retro-rides.org/thread/219084/1990-fiat-126
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Last Edit: Sept 26, 2021 12:17:10 GMT by minijohn
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