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Many many years ago I built a chopped 'business coupe' style Morris Minor Series 2 from an unfinished project. I got it looking proportionally great, but I didn't have the time or resources to complete it, so moved it on. Ever since I have had a niggle to have another crack. About 5 years ago I impulse bought a completely original low-light as a starting point, and have had it dry stored until time and funds allow. Today I had a crack at fine-tuning proportions again. Working with non-perspective views is never ideal for getting a feel for the real-life appearance, but it gives a bit of a feel and can be used as a dimensions reference point. It may just be the base drawing, but while I like what I see, I don't love it. I'd love your thoughts on what (if anything) you think it needs proportion or detail-wise.   |
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Photoshopping the original makes me happier with the idea  |
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That Matt black one looks good, is it a convertible? I think that way you can avoid any IVA worries...
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A little like that, but with a shorter roof, bringing the rear deck up rather than sloping the rear of the roof |
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Can you do that without needing it engineered? If you can't I would ask one what regs you need to comply with before you start as they may want additional bracing or thicker pillars which would have a big impact on the look.
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Jun 26, 2021 10:08:09 GMT
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Can you do that without needing it engineered? If you can't I would ask one what regs you need to comply with before you start as they may want additional bracing or thicker pillars which would have a big impact on the look. Engineering will be needed unless built from a convertible here in Australia. As long as welds are done by a qualified person Engineering will largely be a stress test against an unmodified one |
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Jun 26, 2021 11:19:11 GMT
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That Matt black one looks good, is it a convertible? I think that way you can avoid any IVA worries... I missed the Australia bit! Sorry... |
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Jun 27, 2021 21:39:05 GMT
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You could add the convertible reinforcements which are widely available then whatever you do with the roof afterwards can only make things better tjan a production convertible.
That should satisfy an engineer.
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I've also put some thought into this and there's a trick to getting it to work, which is to pie cut the boot lid panel and lay it down. If you don't do that, shortening the roof means you end up with a hunchback of Notre Dame style hump, as the line of the boot lid continues upwards, forcing you to tip the back of the roof forwards and it all ends up as a hot mess. I'd always work on a profile first and see if you can make that work. It's very easy to fool yourself in a three quarter view. Also you need to lean the front part of the roof back, as it goes too steeply uphill to make a clean curve to the shortened rear roof. The two green lines show the curve you need to make and where to pie cut the rear body.  |
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Last Edit: Jun 28, 2021 7:43:11 GMT by horrido
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I've also put some thought into this and there's a trick to getting it to work, which is to pie cut the boot lid panel and lay it down. If you don't do that, shortening the roof means you end up with a hunchback of Notre Dame style hump, as the line of the boot lid continues upwards, forcing you to tip the back of the roof forwards and it all ends up as a hot mess. I'd always work on a profile first and see if you can make that work. It's very easy to fool yourself in a three quarter view. Also you need to lean the front part of the roof back, as it goes too steeply uphill to make a clean curve to the shortened rear roof. Good thoughts. The piecut on the rear near the bootlid would be a good way to finesse the lines at the back. I've actually done this chop once before, and I was able to get the rear belt line to start at the window like like it should, and just curve up a bit more as it wrapped around, with the rear window lifted within the roof skin. It all flowed quite nicely and the increase in height past the boot lid following the flow wasn't awkward, but this could be a nice additional tweak. |
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I came up with a nice looking three window coupe design too, though you need to stretch the doors, even if you start with a two door. More work, but its never been done.   |
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Jun 28, 2021 10:44:01 GMT
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That definitely has me thinking! Huge amount of effort, but a great result. I like pushing it into the 'business coupe sort of space, as it hasn't really been done, but your render takes it to the next level! I see you've done like me and tidied up under the front bumper. I went with later Minor rear guards to get the tighter wheel arch fit. I like the MM series for being all flat glass, but not sure if I should use high light guards to allow for more customisation in the grill area. I think I would slope the rear of the roof a bit less to tie in more with the original. The 36ish Ford 3-5 window coupes and similar are my reference point, I always like to build in a way that you can't quite tell if it came out of the factory that way. |
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Jun 28, 2021 11:07:15 GMT
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I'd go with low light front wings all day long. So much smoother.
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Had a bit more of a play with the profile images after Horrido's inspiration. I tried to keep the profile of the back of the door window from an original 2 door, but I think the curve is too soft. I do like a subtle door stretch though.  |
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Jul 14, 2021 15:03:48 GMT
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The reason that I raked the rear roof forwards and the screen backwards, is to try and use everything I could to reduce the size of the roof, which looks disproportionately long/oversized on the car if you aren't very careful.
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Jul 14, 2021 16:12:43 GMT
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Got something of the Hebmuller about it in profile  Obviously, Heb is a soft top. |
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Jul 14, 2021 20:58:11 GMT
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I came up with a nice looking three window coupe design too, though you need to stretch the doors, even if you start with a two door. More work, but its never been done. It’s your duty to build this. No if’s no buts. You have to make this. |
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I agree, although having spent considerable time looking at the renderings and my lowlight, I think it needs to be done on a series MM Highlight. Same small back window and flat glass windscreen which suit chopping, but I just think the bonnet height looks out-of-proportion on a lowlight, and will look even more so once chopped I came up with a nice looking three window coupe design too, though you need to stretch the doors, even if you start with a two door. More work, but its never been done. It’s your duty to build this. No if’s no buts. You have to make this. |
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