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bl1300
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Ok you asked ready yourself for my epistle on DAFs.
The car above is a 1976 DAF 66 coupe. Don't be fooled that particular car is not a marathon despite it's having the body stripe and marathon wheels. True Marathons have twin headlights, subtly different trim and quad head lights. It is also fairly well known in DAF circles and seems to be doing the rounds and has been sold several times recently. I would bare that in mind, as those that know the car personally will tell you it does need a fair amount of money spent on it and is advertised for strong money. Saying that you are unlikely to find another coupe for sale.
Okay information on the car in general. The body shell from the A pillar back is the same as the earlier 55 coupe. The engine is a Renault sourced 1100cc or 1300cc and as such parts are relatively easily attainable. Unlike a conventional automatic the DAF features a centrifugal clutch rather than a torque converter as such it will not creep and will even roll backwards whilst in gear. This leads to another interesting quirk DAFs are designed to be started in gear and neutral is for servicing purposes only! This is rather important as forcing the car into gear with the engine running can cause transmission damage.
Suspension wise the 66 is probably the best DAF at the front it has torsion bars and the back is a leaf sprung de-dion axle which gives a vast improvement in handling over the older swing axle models. Variomatic cars are supremely easy to drive just press go.
The variomatic itself is well engineered and generally reliable. The main issues that come up are excessive belt wear, blown vacuum diaphragms, rusted pulley faces and seized bob weights. The first of these is not much of a problem, belts are available new and will last 40k if tensioned regularly. Diaphragms and bob weights will give the same symptoms, the car will be very reluctant to change up. The former is an easy check disconnect the two vacuum lines that run under the car from the engine bay and blow down one if you can feel air coming out of the other then the diaphragm has gone. Rust wise like all seventies cars they do rot. Check the trailing edges of the front wings sills and floor pans.
My profile picture is a DAF Variomatic so have a look if you are interested. Oh and last little bit a DAF will go just as fast backwards as it will forwards!
Let me know if there is anything else you want to know as I know these cars inside out as I have never not had one since I turned 18.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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bl1300
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Check out this video for a really comprehensive review.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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Mum and dad had a Daf 32, 33, 46 and later a 66 like the one above. I had much later a Daf/Volvo 66 sedan. They all were very reliable and fairly comfortable to drive. I have 2 brothers and 1 sister + mum and dad. We all (somehow) fitted in all of these things and would go for family visits and day out's in the Daf.
I know that they are as fast forward as back wards. They are easy to service and cheap to run. The variomatic has never given us any trouble. I understand the belts last a very long time and can be still bought new.
If you can get one for a decent price I would get one.
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misterm
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So has anybody fitted one with a Renault 5 or 11 Turbo engine. Would the belts still last 40k?
Regarding the reverse speeds attainable, YouTube has video of Dutch reverse gear racing.
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'57 Austin Cambridge A55 1800 Overdrive '50 MG Y-type (In build) '56 Standard Super 10 (In build) '04 Seat Leon TDi 130 (Wet weather runabout) '03 Citroen Berlingo HDi (Parts hauler)
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bl1300
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Mum and dad had a Daf 32, 33, 46 and later a 66 like the one above. I had much later a Daf/Volvo 66 sedan. They all were very reliable and fairly comfortable to drive. I have 2 brothers and 1 sister + mum and dad. We all (somehow) fitted in all of these things and would go for family visits and day out's in the Daf. I know that they are as fast forward as back wards. They are easy to service and cheap to run. The variomatic has never given us any trouble. I understand the belts last a very long time and can be still bought new. If you can get one for a decent price I would get one. Maybe your right I do know that one isn't a marathon though it is well known in the club and I know several of it's previous owners. I also grew up with DAFs as Mum and Dad had two 44s and a 46, I myself have had three 44s.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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bl1300
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So has anybody fitted one with a Renault 5 or 11 Turbo engine. Would the belts still last 40k? Regarding the reverse speeds attainable, YouTube has video of Dutch reverse gear racing. It has been done but I don't think it's an easy swap. Mainly as variomatic relies on inlet manifold vacuum to assist ratio change. dafcars.proboards.com/thread/3078/gordon-express-dolvoThat one has a Gordini turbo under the bonnet.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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I clicked on this thread to tag Paul ( bl1300)
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Everyone else has covered most things, but did you know they made a 4WD one-off for rallycross with a doubled up CVT system (I think also with the engine in the cab, sitting next to the driver). linkyStarted with a 120hp Gordini engine, and then progressed to a 180hp Ford FVC. Thanks to the design of the CVT it essentially had a limited slip diff at each end which made it really rather successful. To get around the manifold vacuum issue with a turbo setup you could add a vacuum pump. I know there's one on the nose of BMW M47/M57 engines, and I expect there's plenty of others on turbodiesels of various varieties to run the brake servos.
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gezzard
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I had a white 66 estate, WHK573L, ex stondon museum car. I loved it until someone hit it and then the clutch went, nobody local would touch it so I ended up selling it and it was restored. The noise it made was strange, used to sound like it was at full revs all the time! If anyone knows where it is now, let me know, I'd love another. After I sold it, it had more original patina (rust) when I had it, but they did leave the retro rides sticker in the top of the windscreen
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Last Edit: Jun 4, 2021 11:19:48 GMT by gezzard
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if you are ever in Eindhoven ,Netherlands home of the DAF factory take some time out to visit the museum in town
a good afternoon can be wasted looking at all sorts of DAF vehicles from racing trucks ,dakar trucks racing cars , military vehicles
very interesting
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A relative of mine had one in the 70/80s and I've always been a bit fascinated by them. They seemed rare even then and I can't remember the last time I saw one out in the wild.
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What are they like to drive on the Motorway? Can they do 70 easily?
Are the volvo derivatives the same?
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bl1300
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A 66 will do seventy all day long no problem. My 44 will cruise at 70 quite happily and that has the much smaller 850cc 2 cyl.
Volvo 66 is essentially the same car but there are a few subtle differences. The coupe shape was dropped, a conventional gear selector with electric clutch override was fitted, different seats, side impact bars, bigger plastic bumpers and a Volvo badge.
The Volvo 300 series is also a DAF design and if you have an auto it uses pretty much the same variomatic as a 66.
Personally I prefer the earlier air cooled cars, they may be noisier and slower but the twin pot is a strong engine and has a great soundtrack.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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60six
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What years were air cooled?
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bl1300
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What years were air cooled? All the way through. The air cooled engine was in all A body cars such as the 33 and in the 44 and 46. Both of which share a body shell with the 66.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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Is there anything you don't like about them? Are parts becoming an issue
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gezzard
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Most parts can be had from dafhobby.com, based over in Netherlands, the DAF owners club can supply new belts too, the forum isn't the most active, but there's a guy on there, Graham, who can help with fixing most things, most of the guys on there are a knowledgeable bunch, dafcars.proboards.comWas very useful when I was having problems with mine.
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Sorry, ive got nothing useful or helpful to add. But
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