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Jul 11, 2022 22:19:35 GMT
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take a look at this link, it looks to me like a 948 midget / minor one might be what you are looking for. www.spriteparts.com.au/tech/flywheels.htmlwhen I am home at the weekend I think I somewhere have a 948 minor flywheel and clutch , I will take a look (if it's any use you can have it for the postage).
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Jul 11, 2022 22:27:35 GMT
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I don't actually think that engine has done that much looking at those bearings. Can't believe how it's coming apart given the way it was stored!
Have the farm come up with any history about it?
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WOW. Super impressed with your commitment level! Very cool. Thanks! It's keeping me out of trouble, I think.
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rob
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I don't actually think that engine has done that much looking at those bearings. Can't believe how it's coming apart given the way it was stored! Have the farm come up with any history about it? A few more people I have spoken to remember seeing it when playing in the gully as children, but nothing concrete. A neighbours son in his mid 40's is in the navy. He was on his boat somewhere in the med. He borrowed a magazine off someone to kill some time and started reading one of the articles about it being found (he wasn't aware at that point I had found or dug it up). As he went along more things started looking and sounding familiar until he realised it was actually the same place/rusty remains he played on as a child. He was quite excited about it when he spoke to me recently.
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rob
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take a look at this link, it looks to me like a 948 midget / minor one might be what you are looking for. www.spriteparts.com.au/tech/flywheels.htmlwhen I am home at the weekend I think I somewhere have a 948 minor flywheel and clutch , I will take a look (if it's any use you can have it for the postage). Thanks, that would be great! It looks like this 6 stud might be the one. Pretty similar to the CC one.
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Details for a Midget 1275 flywheel
6x holes equi'spaced on a 2.5" / 63.5mm PCD
2x 3/8" dowel holes on the same PCD, one is in the middle between two bolt holes and one is offset by 5*
The register that locates onto the crank is 77mm
OD is 267mm with 104 teeth on the ring gear
If you need any more detail let me know
Hope that helps
James
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rob
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Details for a Midget 1275 flywheel 6x holes equi'spaced on a 2.5" / 63.5mm PCD 2x 3/8" dowel holes on the same PCD, one is in the middle between two bolt holes and one is offset by 5* The register that locates onto the crank is 77mm OD is 267mm with 104 teeth on the ring gear If you need any more detail let me know Hope that helps James That's useful thanks, I'll measure the end of CC crank.
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rob
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Jul 12, 2022 22:06:32 GMT
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Details for a Midget 1275 flywheel 6x holes equi'spaced on a 2.5" / 63.5mm PCD 2x 3/8" dowel holes on the same PCD, one is in the middle between two bolt holes and one is offset by 5* The register that locates onto the crank is 77mm OD is 267mm with 104 teeth on the ring gear If you need any more detail let me know Hope that helps James The crank is fractionally larger on the CC, so a small adapter plate would probably be easier than trying to grip the flywheel in the lathe. Plus slightly oval bolt holes in the midget flywheel and drill new dowel holes. Deff worth considering.
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Jul 12, 2022 22:23:06 GMT
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Given that the flywheel *should* be located purely by the clamp force of the six bolts the register is just there for location. Therefore you could possibly get away with using suitable shim stock wrapped around the crank to centre the flywheel rather than trying to turn a very thin walled adaptor.
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Given that the flywheel *should* be located purely by the clamp force of the six bolts the register is just there for location. Therefore you could possibly get away with using suitable shim stock wrapped around the crank to centre the flywheel rather than trying to turn a very thin walled adaptor. Exactly this, it's all about clamping force. The centre would only be for location and/or support of an input shaft.
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Aug 26, 2022 21:30:01 GMT
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Thanks for the responses metroman and greencarfritz . I've made a bit of progress in the last couple of weeks. A Citroen C1 flywheel and clutch came up on ebay at a price I was willing to risk. It's turned out as well as I could have hoped for, I'm really pleased. The C1 bolt centres are not the same but the bolt holes are larger allowing the CC bolts to pass through with no machining required. The flywheel is a nice size on the back of the engine and only the only engineering required atm seems to be a spacer to hold the flywheel away from the bolts on the back of the engine. As luck would have it this came off the pump end of the CC crank. Fortunately it was fractionally larger diameter than the centre hole on the Citroen flywheel. A bit of chopping and turning and we have a spacer and flywheel locator. As you can see the bolts pass through without interference. At a later date I will make the spacer from scratch once I've work out what spigot I will need etc etc. I will probably put a peg through the spacer and flywheel as well as a bit of extra security. It also needs a bit more taking off to allow room for the friction plate boss, I did the turning in my lunch break at work so I left it long until I'd tried it on. Obviously once you have a flywheel you can start thinking about gearboxes. I've been tripping over a Mk1 Spitfire box for a while. I might have found a use for it. The input shaft will need a bit of machining and the bellhousing would interfere with the coolant pipe. However I want this area to look like the Clyno engine/mount/bracket So there will need to be a bit of fabrication going on anyway. I tried fitting a Morris Minor pressure plate on the C1 flywheel. The diameter and hole spacing is almost perfect. It would only require each hole to be filled outwards about 1mm to fit. Opposite hole to the one with the bolt through: Unfortunately the pressure plate is too deep though, it takes up too much space inside the bellhousing. Looking online the Spitfire one is shallower so at some point I'll get one to play with. The Morris friction plate fits the Spitfire gearbox though. This probably won't happen for a while though as my next goal is to get the engines running and starting off a starter motor. I bought a cheap used C1 starter off ebay. The backplate off the green engine was better suited to attempting to mount it so I swapped the flywheel over. Not far off, you can't see it in the photo but you could probably slide a gnats c@ck between the starter and flywheel I think a smidgen more clearance might be better. Last thing, I pulled the bell housing off the Spifire gearbox, unlike a Land Rover gearbox the bell housing isn't integral to the gearbox workings so aside from messing about with clutch release gubbins there's scope for bolting something custom on the front, but that's big ideas for another day.
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Aug 26, 2022 21:57:46 GMT
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Brabham offered a Coventry Climax engined Herald conversion in the sixties, some information to be found on the internet, also a company that specialises in early Lotus cars, offers adaptor plates and bellhousings for the climax engine may be worth a look.
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Aug 26, 2022 21:59:33 GMT
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llwynogmon Thanks for the suggestion. Most of the Lotus derivatives and engine conversions were based on the earlier CC engine which is about 25% bigger all round than the one I'm using. The easiest way to tell them apart at a glance is the distributor is near the back on the earlier engine. And at the front on the smaller/later engine. (photos aren't mine) The later engine is proportionally almost exactly the same as the Clyno one, which is why I went for it, though apart from a few people putting them in Austin 7's there isn't that much info on people using them. Austin 7's are a similar size car and I'm not looking for huge amounts of power so I think it will be about right. Unfortunately none of the available engine conversion stuff looks like it will transfer over.
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