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Apr 19, 2021 14:11:00 GMT
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mylittletony
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1965 Falcon Sprintmylittletony
@mylittletony
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Apr 19, 2021 15:31:17 GMT
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Not sure how I missed this, but I'm in! Alders ... down the road from me. Which must mean you're fairly local to me too, but I think I kinda knew that anyway from a now no-longer member. My personal Falcon preference is the earlier shape, like metalshapes good lady's and I sometimes wonder if I should have followed Dez advice to get one myself - but I went for more bling and larger. Also following for SBF tuning tips, ones that can be applied to a 351w anyway! |
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Apr 19, 2021 18:38:35 GMT
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I guess that means its probably going to be limited to heads and a cam - i have no idea what this can achieve to be honest so any sbf experts please chime in. Its a 302 and 4 speed. Have a look here for added POWERRRRRR Richard knows how stuff. Love this - worked with a guy called Tony who had a Falcon Sprint converted to auto as his retirement present. Dez is right - one of the better blue oval products of the 60's P. Interesting vid, thanks. If i could find some gt40 heads for sensible money id probably go that route, but ive a feeling that wont happen here and if (?) they are getting a bit of a premium here i may as well go a little further and get the edelbrocks or AFR. I'd be a little careful with the super cheap Ebay cylinder heads. A buddy of mine is a engine builder, and he has seen examples where they lasted one single 1/4 mile pass. If it looks like its too good to be true, it probably is... Good to know! A colleague here in New Zealand runs a 302 with 289 heads in his XD Falcon. Goes very hard for what it is. Have you considered using a modern six cylinder turbo charged engine such as the Barra? It has been widely reported that the later Aussie XR6T Falcons can be made to go considerably harder than the equivalent XR8. Will definately stay with the sbf, interesting though all the same so i will have read up on the Barra - not heard of them before. Not sure how I missed this, but I'm in! Alders ... down the road from me. Which must mean you're fairly local to me too, but I think I kinda knew that anyway from a now no-longer member. My personal Falcon preference is the earlier shape, like metalshapes good lady's and I sometimes wonder if I should have followed Dez advice to get one myself - but I went for more bling and larger. Also following for SBF tuning tips, ones that can be applied to a 351w anyway! Yep, not far at all from you. Nothing wrong with a bit of bling! |
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Apr 19, 2021 19:41:36 GMT
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I don't want to pollute @elkyholic 's buildthread with other Falcon stuff, but maybe this is still OK. I built the '63 for my wife before we were married, and she drove it to her work as a daily driver. I'd built it with a T5 5 speed, which involved mods to the tunnel and a specially machined adapter to mount it to a early 5 bolt bell. But she hated not having a automatic, so I took that back out. I was able to find all the correct parts to mate a c4 to the bell pattern, swapped pedals, etc. But now she thought it was too slow. ( she liked to outrun guys at stoplights that thought they were next to " just a girl in a old car"...  ) So we went to our local speedshop. She got out her credit card and told my buddy behind the counter " OK... What do I need... " Yeah, I was impressed... |
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I don't want to pollute @elkyholic 's buildthread with other Falcon stuff, but maybe this is still OK. I built the '63 for my wife before we were married, and she drove it to her work as a daily driver. I'd built it with a T5 5 speed, which involved mods to the tunnel and a specially machined adapter to mount it to a early 5 bolt bell. But she hated not having a automatic, so I took that back out. I was able to find all the correct parts to mate a c4 to the bell pattern, swapped pedals, etc. But now she thought it was too slow. ( she liked to outrun guys at stoplights that thought they were next to " just a girl in a old car"... ) So we went to our local speedshop. She got out her credit card and told my buddy behind the counter " OK... What do I need... " Yeah, I was impressed... Other peoples' stories and info about Falcons is definately not polluting my thread. Carry on. |
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Obviously the first thing to do is see if it will run. As i said before the seller had drained the cooling system so it wouldn't freeze up?! It became evident fairly quickly that in fact it could drain its coolant all by itself! As fast as i poured water in, it came out at nearly the same speed onto the floor - not from the rad or hoses though. Alarm bells started ringing as i was thinking its bound to be a cracked block. It was coming out from almost behind an engine mount so i couldn't quite see what was what. I removed the mount (which was knackered) and thankfully there is a core plug there.   A new plug was ordered and fitted.  Sorted. Back onto starting it up. I put a new battery on and i turned it over, but it was turning very slowly. The battery had been relocated to the boot, so i thought maybe the now very long battery cable wasn't man enough and possibly too much voltage drop? I shortened the cable and moved the battery to the engine bay, and then thoroughly cleaned up the battery earths - it still turns over slowly, oh well. The starter looks new, so not sure why its slow? I cleaned the plugs, and points, and put some fresh fuel in the carb, and woohoo sure enough it fired up. Next up a list was made for a rockauto order, a fuel tank, fuel pump, (its got a jaz fuel cell and electric pump at the moment) gaskets, ball joints, engine mounts, and stuff like that. Incredible service from Rockauto as usual, a few days later it all arrives. Spindles and brakes after some chores are done....... |
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Onto the brakes. The front wheels needed a larger centre bore than the rears to fit, so i knew something had been changed. The rears had early mustang wheels which wouldn't fit on the front, so the front had been changed. It had discs on the front, i looked on rockauto and you can get discs for a 65 Falcon, but everywhere i asked said discs were not an option on a Falcon in 65? In any case it seems i have Granada spindles and brakes. This Granada... _in_Hastings,_Minnesota.jpg) I have no experience of this conversion but there is mountains of info out there on this.....so this is all heresay. Some say its great and report no problems and others say it causes bump steer as the geometry is different, other opinions are that the granada set up was fine until they went back to correct spindles and then noticed a huge gain. I decided id rather get the correct v8 type spindles and then use mustang discs and calipers which are 4 pot, so the brakes are better than the granada set up too. The granada brakes on my car would need totally going through so in reality its the cost of the spindles that are an "extra". I felt it was about time to have my pants pulled down. I put some wanted ads here for the spindles but to no avail, so started looking in the US. You can buy new ones, but i really wanted original ones. Found a really nice pair but blimey they weren't cheap. Wasnt sure whether to wait or just get on with it. Id been working loads so thought it best to get them. After a bit of to-ing and fro-ing with MustangMan i agreed to buy them. He was really helpful with shipping and customs paperwork  so that helped loads.    |
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Last Edit: May 8, 2021 10:23:39 GMT by Deleted
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The above pics are actually of another spindle i found - this was also in the US but it was a single spindle but cheap. So that was bought too in the hope i can find another single but for the other side. Ive then got 2 pairs of spindles  So now i need another Falcon |
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May 10, 2021 21:58:17 GMT
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@elkyholic , good call on using the V8 Falcon spindles.
The Granada ones work ( you have to change a tie rod end, if I remember correctly ), but they do give some bumpsteer.
A even bigger annoyance is that the brake pads can rattle around in the calipers.
This gives a clicking sound at low speeds, and makes any car seem like a neglected old clunker no matter how nice it is.
( my wife's '63 does this, eventhough the pads & calipers were new & rebuilt)
'63/'65 V8 Falcon front suspension & steering parts are rare ( unless somebody has started to reproduce it )
Hang on to any spares you have...
People use these parts to convert 6cyl cars ( like I've done with the '63).
And I believe at the time the dealers were actively discouraged of selling V8 Falcons, and were told to steer customers to V8 Mustangs instead...
Ford also ran "could have had a V8" ads at the time for the Mustang.
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May 11, 2021 15:43:25 GMT
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Awesome choice in car sir, I like these a lot!
A good mate of mine had a 64 Ranchero (Basically a Falcon) with Granada front spindles and disc brake conversion and yes I can confirm it was a nightmare for bump steer without tie rod extenders and what not.
I'm going down the proper V8 spindle route for my Maverick after seeing the above first hand myself haha
Looking forward to seeing how you get on with this.
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May 11, 2021 18:37:55 GMT
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@elkyholic , good call on using the V8 Falcon spindles. The Granada ones work ( you have to change a tie rod end, if I remember correctly ), but they do give some bumpsteer. A even bigger annoyance is that the brake pads can rattle around in the calipers. This gives a clicking sound at low speeds, and makes any car seem like a neglected old clunker no matter how nice it is. ( my wife's '63 does this, eventhough the pads & calipers were new & rebuilt) '63/'65 V8 Falcon front suspension & steering parts are rare ( unless somebody has started to reproduce it ) Hang on to any spares you have... People use these parts to convert 6cyl cars ( like I've done with the '63). And I believe at the time the dealers were actively discouraged of selling V8 Falcons, and were told to steer customers to V8 Mustangs instead... Ford also ran "could have had a V8" ads at the time for the Mustang. Great info thanks, i hadnt heard of the pads rattling before but thats another reason that makes me feel better about the route ive chosen. Wonder what the reasoning was behind pushing the sales of mustangs rather than Falcons - economics i suppose? Awesome choice in car sir, I like these a lot! A good mate of mine had a 64 Ranchero (Basically a Falcon) with Granada front spindles and disc brake conversion and yes I can confirm it was a nightmare for bump steer without tie rod extenders and what not. I'm going down the proper V8 spindle route for my Maverick after seeing the above first hand myself haha Looking forward to seeing how you get on with this. Thanks. Just what i wanted to hear. I had a niggle that id spent money unecessarily on the spindles, i can sleep easy now! |
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May 11, 2021 18:44:42 GMT
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Ive also been looking at heads and cams.... www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-60229/make/ford284 Hydraulic "Xtreme Energy" Camshaft BY31-250-4 284XE for 221-302 & 351W** engines 1963-95- 1.60 rockers £191.47 Street/Strip with 2800+ stall, headers, gears, rough idle. ** To use in 351W engine, use firing order, 15426378 Rpm Range Advertised @ .050" Lift-1.60 Rockers 2300-6500rpm 284/296 240/246 .541"/.544" Compatible components- 221-351W-BY986-16 Springs, BY740-16 Spring Caps, BY611-16 Collets, BY503-16 Seal |
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May 11, 2021 18:45:35 GMT
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^^^^^^^^
(When ive saved the money)
I know some may say its too much cam, but the boy racer in me wants it to sound like it really does have a cam. The car is an extravagance for me, i don't plan on sitting in traffic every day as its for high days and holidays. I have also looked at and love the sound of Mutha thumpr cams, which apparantly are designed primarliy for the "lope" rather than out and out performance.
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Last Edit: May 11, 2021 19:23:50 GMT by Deleted
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May 11, 2021 19:35:39 GMT
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ooh - just found this - bookmarked.
Avoid the thumper cams, money for nothing but sound.
AFR heads are excellent according to my research so far, but not cheap.
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May 11, 2021 19:55:21 GMT
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"Wonder what the reasoning was behind pushing the sales of mustangs rather than Falcons - economics i suppose?" The way it was explained to me( which may or may not be accurate ), was that Ford was surprised by the sudden success of the Mustang. Which led to supply problems. And a image thing. They tried to get the dealers to sell 6cyl Falcons, and 8 cyl Mustangs. But if you insisted you could still get one after the Mustang was introduced. |
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May 11, 2021 19:59:18 GMT
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I had a 268 Comp Cam in the 302 in my '64, and a 268H in the 351W in my '66 Ranchero.
I liked those a lot.
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mylittletony
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1965 Falcon Sprintmylittletony
@mylittletony
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I had a 268 Comp Cam in the 302 in my '64, and a 268H in the 351W in my '66 Ranchero. I liked those a lot. I'm pretty interested in cam choices too, to go in my Fairlane. Bigger car, don't want to spend out on other upgrades (e.g converter) as I've only just got it together. But being a van motor in a 1700kg car I can afford to free up some power as I don't need all the torque off idle. I keep reading about 262 and 268 as options, so I'm interested to hear how they drove? |
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No experience with the 262, but I liked the 268.
Definitely more rowdy than a stock cam, but not to the point where it was compromised for the street.
The 351W with the 268H later went into my '60 Ford truck, which is probably heavier than your Fairlane.
It did great in that too.
After that, the same engine went into my '73 Capri Street Freak ( but then with a 5 speed ).
But then I made the mistake of taking it to the dragstrip, which led to modifying it for better ET's.
( different cam, turbo, C4 auto & meth injection to control detonation but I still I damaged a couple of pistons...)
I should have left it alone as a fairly stock engine with the cam, headers, a 600 Vac sec Holley, Dual point ign, and a dual plane Edelbrock intake.
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mylittletony
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1965 Falcon Sprintmylittletony
@mylittletony
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May 12, 2021 11:00:18 GMT
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I should have left it alone as a fairly stock engine with the cam, headers, a 600 Vac sec Holley, Dual point ign, and a dual plane Edelbrock intake. Thanks for that, what you've listed is virtually the same spec as what I have - barring the headers. Dual plane offenhauser, same carb, new HEI dizzy and otherwise stock '91 dayvan motor (e7te heads and I believe somewhere around 8.5-9:1 CR sadly) I hope this is all useful to @elkyholic too and not derailing the thread... |
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May 12, 2021 12:10:07 GMT
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ooh - just found this - bookmarked. Avoid the thumper cams, money for nothing but sound. AFR heads are excellent according to my research so far, but not cheap. Hi Mark, I have read lots of good about AFR and they would be my choice, but i cant justify the cost. I started off looking at E street heads and have since upped my game to performer rpm, so already stretching the budget! You are probably right by saying avoid the thumper cams, the sound was seducing me but my sensible head will win. |
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Last Edit: May 12, 2021 12:10:27 GMT by Deleted
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so that helped loads.
So now i need another Falcon 
