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A bit niche, what have you got? I submit the M35 'Deuce & a Half'  Apparently designed this way as, being a 3 seat abreast military vehicle often used in long distance convoys, you'd want the overdrive to sit as far from the passengers as you could.  |
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Rich
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Weird shift patterns ...Rich
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Early military and to a lesser extent civvy truck applications was often odd. This is for a Ural, not sure if It’s the 4320 or the 357.  |
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adam73bgt
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Weird shift patterns ...adam73bgt
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Maybe not quite as out there as those military patterns, but for a time Keiichi Tsuchiya ran a "3.5" gear in his AE86, replacing the overdrive 5th with a ratio between 3rd and 4th
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Droopsnoot Firenza Getrag with ‘dog leg’ first  Also David Brown H’ gate, can’t find any images but basically 1st & 2nd are normal then 3rd & 4th are swapped so you are kinda drawing a H shape. You then flick the splitter & go back to what was 1st, which becomes 5th & go around the box again, obviously giving 8 |
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Rich
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Weird shift patterns ...Rich
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Droopsnoot Firenza Getrag with ‘dog leg’ first Also David Brown H’ gate, can’t find any images but basically 1st & 2nd are normal then 3rd & 4th are swapped so you are kinda drawing a H shape. You then flick the splitter & go back to what was 1st, which becomes 5th & go around the box again, obviously giving 8 I run a dual splitter switch setup on my gaming rig shifter, 7x4 options totalling a possible 28 gears, flusters me a little if I haven’t played for a while and forget which switch is which range. |
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This has sent me down a rabbit hole of odd gearboxes now.  Suzuki 14 speed anyone? Not an odd shift pattern as it's from a 60s 50cc race bike but you'd just be constantly shifting gears. Was that 12th, or 11th? |
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This has sent me down a rabbit hole of odd gearboxes now. Suzuki 14 speed anyone? Not an odd shift pattern as it's from a 60s 50cc race bike but you'd just be constantly shifting gears. Was that 12th, or 11th? Yep, all those little racing 2 strokes had huge numbers of gears. Obviously being of small capacity & 2 stroke meant they had a powerband about the width of the rev counter needle & the only way to keep them ‘on it’ was lots of ratios 😀 |
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This has sent me down a rabbit hole of odd gearboxes now. Suzuki 14 speed anyone? Not an odd shift pattern as it's from a 60s 50cc race bike but you'd just be constantly shifting gears. Was that 12th, or 11th? Yep, all those little racing 2 strokes had huge numbers of gears. Obviously being of small capacity & 2 stroke meant they had a powerband about the width of the rev counter needle & the only way to keep them ‘on it’ was lots of ratios 😀 My first bike was a 50cc Kawasaki AR with a 5 speed box, I was constantly shifting riding it around town, though you needed to in order to stop it from bogging down (plus it was just plain awesome). I jumped up to a Suzuki RG after that and felt like I was strapped to a missile for a while. |
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Looks like a normal H gate but is 18 speed forwards and 3 reverse.  |
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The Doctor
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Weird shift patterns ...The Doctor
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I can't find any pics of it right now, but there's a company in Finland that makes a gearbox for old Toyotas with a weird gear pattern.
The 5th gear is notorious for being the weakest, as its added on the end of a 4 speed box.
For rally they make a gearbox where 1st gear is in place of where 5th is normally.
So it's
2 - 4 - 1
3 - 5 - R
That's going to be a bit of a learning curve!
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Looks like a normal H gate but is 18 speed forwards and 3 reverse. Took my class 1 HGV test in one of those 😀 we had literally hundreds of them at the NCB |
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Last Edit: Mar 6, 2021 14:23:13 GMT by rattlecan
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We had this  Which I did post in the Wreckers thread. But it had this You will notice it has a basic ‘4 on the floor’ but then you’ll see him flicking up & down the range with the 3 split top right of the steering column. It was a bit of a ‘pat your head & rub your belly’ thing to master. I drove it miles 😀 |
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I can't find any pics of it right now, but there's a company in Finland that makes a gearbox for old Toyotas with a weird gear pattern. The 5th gear is notorious for being the weakest, as its added on the end of a 4 speed box. For rally they make a gearbox where 1st gear is in place of where 5th is normally. So it's 2 - 4 - 1 3 - 5 - R That's going to be a bit of a learning curve! They’ll stick first there because once you’ve gone off the start, other than maybe an odd hairpin you’ll never be in first again. Obviously would be a pita in a road car but they won’t have that issue. Bit like on some race motorcycles, they have a really really tall 1st, so you literally slip the living daylights out of the clutch to start off. But then they are probably never doing less than 40mph again around a whole circuit, so that tall 1st gear gives them huge drive out of said hairpins. Obviously on a bike it’s just an up & down gear selection |
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Droopsnoot Firenza Getrag with ‘dog leg’ first Droopsnoot Firenza was the ZF box, but the pattern is correct. Twin-cam (HS / HSR) Chevette and VX490 had the Getrag box, which has the same shift pattern. |
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As did the 190E Cosworth models
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Here’s how it’s setup in my Trabant. It’s actually a really good fast shift once you get the hang of it.  |
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1955 Austin A30
1981 Jawa Mustang
1990 Trabant 601 (Tommy)
1989 Trabant 601
2009 Jaguar XF
2012 Toyota AYGO
2018 Scomadi TL
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