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Feb 12, 2021 20:06:12 GMT
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Got myself another toy 😂 I’m still in the middle of my Ford 100e project, but this came up and thought why not 😂🤦♂️ Will be collecting this cab complete with bullet holes next week    Il be attaching it to a complete rolling Humber hawk chassis (which has a v5 👍😎)   This will be my first ‘rat rod’ attempt so open to ideas Il take inspiration from googling , rat rod truck/bobber truck Il make the bed myself too Will be after an engine and gearbox, I wanna keep it carb’d and want a manual box too Suggestions? |
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Feb 18, 2021 21:48:04 GMT
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Got the frame and cab delivered So had a quick mock up Gunna drop the body over the frame so the bottom of the cab is level with the bottom of the frame Need some 5x127 wheels too   |
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Nice.
The guy who sold me my wheels for the S10 has a 4.3 V6 and Auto Chevy from his GMC Sonoma to sell.
He lives near Blackbushe in Hampshire.
Message me if you want more info.
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if you want something in keeping with the period a Daimler V8 would work well.
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Dez
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Trying to write this without sounding like a curse word, but struggling....
To be blunt, the proportions of what you’re planning are way off. . That period of cab is way too big for the chassis you have. Just looking at the side view you need getting on for a couple of feet more wheelbase for it to look right. Also very tall wheels and tyres, Probably taller than that chassis can handle. Those cabs also very wide, almost wider than your axles, and it won’t look right unless the wheels stick out enough.
Say for example If the cab is 6” longer, wider and taller than an earlier one, the size of everything else needs to be adjusted to suit. So the bed would need to be 6” longer, the engine compartment the same, which means easily a foot on the wheelbase.
I have a lot of experience here, and the guy you bought the cab off bought one of my previous builds rather than do his own build using that cab.
You could section, narrow and shorten the cab to fit your current chassis, but that’s a huge amount of work.
I would suggest, before you go any further, getting a bigger chassis. Something like a light truck with 20” plus wheels and a longer wheelbase. If you buy right you could end up with a Cummins 6bt powered donor and use the full chassis and running gear, and it would all look right then.
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Feb 19, 2021 10:19:15 GMT
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Trying to write this without sounding like a curse word, but struggling.... To be blunt, the proportions of what you’re planning are way off. . That period of cab is way too big for the chassis you have. Just looking at the side view you need getting on for a couple of feet more wheelbase for it to look right. Also very tall wheels and tyres, Probably taller than that chassis can handle. Those cabs also very wide, almost wider than your axles, and it won’t look right unless the wheels stick out enough. Say for example If the cab is 6” longer, wider and taller than an earlier one, the size of everything else needs to be adjusted to suit. So the bed would need to be 6” longer, the engine compartment the same, which means easily a foot on the wheelbase. I have a lot of experience here, and the guy you bought the cab off bought one of my previous builds rather than do his own build using that cab. You could section, narrow and shorten the cab to fit your current chassis, but that’s a huge amount of work. I would suggest, before you go any further, getting a bigger chassis. Something like a light truck with 20” plus wheels and a longer wheelbase. If you buy right you could end up with a Cummins 6bt powered donor and use the full chassis and running gear, and it would all look right then. Hi, No worries at all man.......open to suggestions with this one 👍 I may be doing away with the front clip of this, I like the look of the solid/hairpin axle type (new to the terminology) That would extend the wheel base to how I see it in my head I may chop the top too, which will help with the look and proportions..I think This is the sort of look I wanna go for  |
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This was the last late body truck i built. The wheelbase was 113” which is 8” longer than yours according to the interwebs. My cab was about 48” from cab back to firewall. Bed was also 48” long and centred on the axle, giving 24” from axle centreline to cab back. That leaves 41” from firewall to front wheel centres. By the time you’ve got a grille on there in front of the axle, it ends up being about 3 even chunks proportionally.   Rear tyres were 33” tall, fronts 28”, and they still don’t look that big in comparison to the whole truck. Your cab will be longer so will need a lot more chassis length to make it work without looking really stubby. Also bear in mind that chopping a truck makes the lower doors look really Big and slabby as proportionally they have increased in size hugely compared to the Windows. You could stretch it out by fitting a beam axle a bit further forwards, but i reckon the amount you need for the size of the cab is gonna be about 120-125”, which is a bit beyond the capabilities of the chassis you have. |
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This was the last late body truck i built. The wheelbase was 113” which is 8” longer than yours according to the interwebs. My cab was about 48” from cab back to firewall. Bed was also 48” long and centred on the axle, giving 24” from axle centreline to cab back. That leaves 41” from firewall to front wheel centres. By the time you’ve got a grille on there in front of the axle, it ends up being about 3 even chunks proportionally. Rear tyres were 33” tall, fronts 28”, and they still don’t look that big in comparison to the whole truck. Your cab will be longer so will need a lot more chassis length to make it work without looking really stubby. Also bear in mind that chopping a truck makes the lower doors look really Big and slabby as proportionally they have increased in size hugely compared to the Windows. You could stretch it out by fitting a beam axle a bit further forwards, but i reckon the amount you need for the size of the cab is gonna be about 120-125”, which is a bit beyond the capabilities of the chassis you have. What chassis was used with this ? |
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Feb 20, 2021 18:26:17 GMT
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I reckon a '32 Ford pickup would work very well on that chassis
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Feb 26, 2021 14:44:52 GMT
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Had an afternoon spare, sun was out so busted out the grinder Chopped the floor out and sunk the body over the frame Waiting on some wheels, then il know how much further I want to drop the body down. Then il make up a floor frame/structure to secure it all Looks better already though in my eyes     |
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Feb 27, 2021 21:41:31 GMT
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I'm really hoping that you'll be fitting some coal rolling obnoxious diesel engine. An OM606 would be ace!
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"The White Van is strong with this one...."
Chris "Chesney" Allen 1976-2005 RIP
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Feb 27, 2021 21:49:46 GMT
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My chassis was rover p2. They pop up often enough sub-2k with paperwork. They’re underslung at the back so easy to get low, and Already on a beam at the front too. They’re mechanical brakes but very easy to covert to hydraulic.
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I'm really hoping that you'll be fitting some coal rolling obnoxious diesel engine. An OM606 would be ace! Havnt thought about engines yet But open to suggestions 👍👍👍 Il take a look |
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Got the wheels through.......need to sort the altitude out ! Might get these banded, make them 10 inch wide........any wider and it won’t fit in my garage 😂 🤦♂️ Mocked up a quick bed too    |
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Get one of the Aussie inhabitants on here to ship you a barra. 4 litre straight 6 turbo, keeps it Ford, and I think they take 400bhp easy enough without opening them. When I have the cash and the time, and a bigger shed, I'm going to build a barra ratrod on a newer chassis.
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Made a start on the raised/channeled floor of the cab today........so glad I’ve got this forklift, makes it million times easier [emoji41][emoji109] Pretty happy with it so far, now I can bolt it to the chassis, and panel it out [emoji106]     Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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 doodling a 40s car over your proportions shows that Dez is onto something  maybe the channel needs to be deeper. I've just blocked in the masses with the existing colours, but it might be worth a shot with some cardboard, full size |
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 I have cut it so it sits further down today 👍 Il need an engine In the front to see how much I can lower the front I can stick some blocks in the rear to lower that too |
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 That truck has a distinctive look, and given the legal parameters you have to live with, I can see why you went with it. But from the front axle line forward, that truck is a mess. I bet its even worse from a 3/4 angle. What I'd do to clean that up on your truck, is use a Ford Pop grille. I think it would mask the forward heavy ( or front axle back ) design of the truck. And it would embrace the fact that is built in the UK. An Ex-Pat buddy of mine used a Pop grille on his '34 Coupe for a while, and I thought it looked fantastic... ( and maybe trim and pinch the front framehorns to follow the lines of the grille better) |
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That truck has a distinctive look, and given the legal parameters you have to live with, I can see why you went with it. But from the front axle line forward, that truck is a mess. I bet its even worse from a 3/4 angle. What I'd do to clean that up on your truck, is use a Ford Pop grille. I think it would mask the forward heavy ( or front axle back ) design of the truck. And it would embrace the fact that is built in the UK. An Ex-Pat buddy of mine used a Pop grille on his '34 Coupe for a while, and I thought it looked fantastic... ( and maybe trim and pinch the front framehorns to follow the lines of the grille better) I’ve only seen the side of that truck .......but it’s something I’d like mine to take inspiration from 👍 I have been looking on eBay this evening for pop grills too This is a first attempt at this sort of thing, and it’s only meant to be a cheap (Ish) bit of fun, so I’m not gunna take it to seriously Just see how it turns out as it goes Saying that, I’m all up for input, ideas and criticism 👍👍😎👊👊 |
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