doshy
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Jun 19, 2020 12:18:48 GMT
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It’s about time I stopped lurking and started sharing, so here goes. Stick with me, got a bit of catching up to do, this morphs from a “readers other mods” later… Fingers crossed the photos work too. About ten years ago, my brother in law came up with the idea of doing a pay & play weekend as his stag party, rather than the usual beer crawl around Prague. Much stupidity ensued, with landrovers of various shapes, sizes and degree of knackered being found/bodged together and abused. Pics: Mine, Henry, the blue station wagon got sold on shortly after the weekend. However Lisa (green pickup) stayed on in the hope of a longterm rebuild by one of the lads. As is usual, life got in the way and she ended up lying at the brother in laws, being gradually broken up. Both of us were a bit uncomfortable with this as she’s a loveable old thing, so a plan was hatched… At that point, I had no space for another project. Jon’s long-suffering other half couldn’t be asked to put up with another dead landrover longterm, and mine was distinctly unimpressed with the proposition too. My son, on the other hand, loved anything loosely resembling tractors and was at the age where he needed a playhouse / climbing frame. He seemed like the perfect custodian while I cleared the decks, he'd get something infinitely cooler than you'd normally get on the high street, the money we’d spend at Toys’r’us could be put into something a bit more long lasting and it would give Lisa a hope of survival. The catch? Our back garden at the time was only accessible via a pathway up the side of the house, which was 1m wide at it’s narrowest.. Cue the a-team music montage: You’ll have seen from the pics that the chassis was pretty dead, so I wasn’t too worried about chopping it about to get it in place. To save digging a big hole, I stuck all the remaining oily bits in the pit in the garage for “another day” and simply wedged the wheels in the arches. Add a little sandpit and secondhand slide, and bob’s your uncle. The kids loved it, wifey was happy because it didn’t look too hideous (and wasn’t too obvious from the house) and I even managed to sneak a barbeque in the engine bay (chopped a sacrificial bonnet, not the original). It even got shown in one of the landrover magazines at the time, happy days. Then we decided to move house. At that point, I could have left her behind. The buyers were angling for a free landrover (funnily enough), and I wasn’t particularly enthusiastic about the idea of adding a landrover build to the hassle of what was quite a rushed house move. Ben, on the other hand was heartbroken at the thought. Despite appearances, I’m as soft as the proverbial, so you can guess what’s coming in the next update…
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Jun 19, 2020 13:16:49 GMT
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So, the message I'm taking from this is that projects can be hidden in plain sight if disguised as garden ornaments. Excellent.
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doshy
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Jun 19, 2020 13:33:32 GMT
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Indeed. Even the estate agents approved (or at least weren't put off), so yeah, precedent set!
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Kron
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Jun 19, 2020 13:37:28 GMT
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I'm in. cant wait to read more.
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thomfr
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Trying to assemble the Duett again..
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Jun 19, 2020 14:42:28 GMT
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Bookmarked!! Love it but will not show it to the kids they might be inspired to do so with one of my Volvo projects... Thom
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73' Alfa Giulia Super 64' Volvo Duett 65' Volvo Duett 67' Volvo Amazon 123GT 09' Ford Focus 1.8 20' VW ID4
71' Benelli Motorella 65' Cyrus Speciaal
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys
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doshy
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Bookmarked!! Love it but will not show it to the kids they might be inspired to do so with one of my Volvo projects... Thom Funnily enough that was my neighbour’s reaction when I nervously asked if he’d noticed what I’d done in the back garden....
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doshy
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Jun 20, 2020 11:19:45 GMT
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I took the last photo whilst standing in the pit in our old garage, with a back axle inching it’s way back out of the hole. We'd pacified the buyers with some free wardrobes and other sweeteners, then I scratched my head about how to get Lisa rolling again. I had about a fortnight to get a pile of hacked up bits through an even narrower gap/ corner (stuff had been planted / built since the last post, and I didn’t think the buyers would be too happy about us destroying the place) and roughed together enough to be recovered. I don’t have photos of the stripdown as it happened pretty quickly. I’d chopped the chassis into three chunks to get it INTO the garden, then split the largest into two again to get it out again. I’ll leave this one here, to give you an idea of how tight it all was to come out.. With the help of some ratchet straps, some lengths of 4x2 hammered down the rails , some very rough and dirty welding, plus healthy doses of brute force and ignorance in equal measure I ended up with something to build from. Although I’m pretty sure the point of no return had been reached long before, this was the moment I was left in no doubt we were going to need a new (to us) chassis if we were ever going to make anything more than play equipment from her. Oh and an engine, an engine would be useful.. more of that later. Anyway, build, midnight oil burned (sorry neighbours), some more a-team montage music: It was together and rolling the night before the move. Long-suffering recovery guy arrived at the back gate just as the removals guys took the last of the stuff out the front door. SO while they had lunch, we cracked on. Although you cant see in the photos, the levels of bodgery were pretty significant- leaf springs held to dumb irons with screwdrivers , that sort of thing. Hence, we stood upstream while he did this: Of course that meant the first thing to arrive on move-in day was me in my scruffs, a recovery driver in an old tilt-bed that was a bit too wide to fit on the drive, and an apparently scrap landrover… Oh well, start as you mean to go on.. That's about it for the location location location-type stuff, we'll get to the readers rides stuff soon. Oh and yes, you guessed right, it IS too tall for the garage door...
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thomfr
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Jun 20, 2020 11:32:00 GMT
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Psst; when we moved 3 years ago (bigger house for Her and the little witches and bigger garage for me) I could convince her that the garage first needed an update as this was used during renovation work for storage etc. Might also work for your garage door height?!?
Thom
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73' Alfa Giulia Super 64' Volvo Duett 65' Volvo Duett 67' Volvo Amazon 123GT 09' Ford Focus 1.8 20' VW ID4
71' Benelli Motorella 65' Cyrus Speciaal
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys
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doshy
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Jun 20, 2020 11:47:59 GMT
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Psst; when we moved 3 years ago (bigger house for Her and the little witches and bigger garage for me) I could convince her that the garage first needed an update as this was used during renovation work for storage etc. Might also work for your garage door height?!? Thom Yep, on that one!! ;-) Today’s job, after I’ve finished munching biscuits with the daughter, is to get the handbrake working so that it can be rolled out and left outside for a few hours without rolling away. That way the garage master plan can be unleashed over the next few months....
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doshy
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Jun 24, 2020 22:41:10 GMT
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Apart from the kids occasionally sneaking in to the garage for a play with their massive toy, nothing much happened for a year or so, while we got the house looking a bit less grim. I toyed with the idea of dropping the body onto the chassis of the tip-run 300tdi discovery I’d been smoking around in while moving. Fortunately, my sensible head kicked in in time and I realised this would just mean I’d have two scrap vehicles instead of one. That and I’d have had to find a 109 tub to cut down rather than using this one, so there wouldn’t have been much left of the car. Then thought about doing the same garden ornament trick in the new house, but the kids were older and a bit over it, so that got shelved. In the end, the financial manager announced that she was sick of me deliberating, and that I should just get it rebuilt. The tip-run discovery was promptly sold to fund it and I started hunting for bits. First win was a chassis. Not perfect, not completely original, but solid and semi presentable. If there’s interest I’ll do an update on the few little tweaks that were needed: Next, a new roof. Quite fancied a van roof but crucially, quite fancied being able to physically fit behind the wheel (I’m 6’4”) and this opens the opportunity to mod the seat bulkhead. Honestly, I’m only mentioning this to give an excuse to post the following picture of me sneaking it home: The final big gap was in the engine bay. Last time it’d run, it had been on a 2.5NA D, but this got cannoned at the stag doo after ingesting a load of muddy water. Said dead lump had gone by the time I acquired it. Did the usual stewing of options using my head: 1. Original engine… nah.. 2. 200tdi, nah, wanted something a bit different. 3. 200di, quite like the idea but I knew id want more go 4. Small but torquey low-tech diesel. I’ve had a few Fords with 1.8 TDDIs in them of turbo and NA flavour and I really like them. Don’t get me wrong, they’re loud, slow things but bombproof (don’t mention the pump!) and the torque / power figures across the rev range are broadly in line with good landrover 2.25 petrol engines (had one of those in the blue series at the start of the thread and it was ok, so maybe). However, I couldn’t find anybody who’d tried it, let alone finished it.. given the hassle, I’m not sure it would be special enough. 5. “small” petrol engine. Who doesn’t love a 1.8 zetec, there are plenty of bits floating around to make them suitable to go north / south without spending a fortune and they’ve got a reasonable shove to them. Then I realised I was using my head too much. V8? 1. as so many people shoved them into landrovers back in the day, it’s probably not much more difficult than building an “original” landrover. 2. Yes, it’ll use more fuel, but as it’s only a toy anyway, it’s like the difference between a pet elephant and a pet rhino. 3. It’s only ever going to get harder to justify a V8 as time goes on, so conversely now is the best opportunity to actually build one with a V8. 4. One popped up on ebay with all the conversion bits for £notmuch. Boom, another brummie legend comes home: Where does that leave us? Body (ish), chassis, engine, axles, gearbox, steering, leaves, but not much else. Aside from some other landrover-y stuff to re-acquire there’s a load of generic car bit-boxes that need to be ticked, the minor issue of a wiring loom and the fact that the bulkhead’s rough.. More next time.
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Could have almost put that garden shed on the roof racks right way up and turned your 500 in to a weird breadvan!
Looking forward to seeing where this ends up (in the mud, ideally).
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Bookmarked, because Land Rover, because V8 and because entertaining!
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jamesd1972
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Nice project. Have you got it swapped over to historic status yet ? The V8 isn’t an issue as it was done back in the day but might be worth doing in stages on the forms. Ours is a 2.3 petrol out of a 110 and goes nicely enough but next doors is a swb V8 and sounds lovely. Difference between 13 and 20mpg isn’t going to kill you ! James
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doshy
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Jun 25, 2020 22:27:03 GMT
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Could have almost put that garden shed on the roof racks right way up and turned your 500 in to a weird breadvan! Looking forward to seeing where this ends up (in the mud, ideally). Thanks! yeah i have to admit it was a slightly nervous drive home with that on the roof... and worry not, it'll be plugging through the mud one day soon (with an engine rather than the kids making brum noises ;-)
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doshy
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Jun 25, 2020 22:51:50 GMT
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Nice project. Have you got it swapped over to historic status yet ? The V8 isn’t an issue as it was done back in the day but might be worth doing in stages on the forms. Ours is a 2.3 petrol out of a 110 and goes nicely enough but next doors is a swb V8 and sounds lovely. Difference between 13 and 20mpg isn’t going to kill you ! James Cheers! To be honest i've done nothing about historic status yet. It'll be another 6 months or so (if I'm lucky) before it's on the road again, so i've not got to that bit of the puzzle yet. You're right though, probably something to start a bit earlier and take little bites at.. With the other one, i've gone for historic tax but not bothered with MOT exemption, on the basis that i'd rather stick it infront of someone impartial every now and then. We'll see though.. Funny how car guys wind up in clusters isnt it? Not long after our neighbours moved in, i was round picking up some post and found a 3 door range tucked in the corner of the garage.. I actually liked the 2.25 petrol in the last one, quite nice to punt an SWB round with, but yeah the v8's gonna sound lovely.. Thanks for the comments anyway, nice to see it's well received.
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Looking forward to seeing your updates, really enjoying your progress. Warren
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Jun 26, 2020 10:00:57 GMT
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This is a great project! I had many series trucks in my past, as well as discos and Nineties. Not enough V8 conversions happen these days so I’m keen to see this one!
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doshy
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The bulkhead needed a-pillar bases and their mounts to the chassis replacing, as they’d been severed during the garden shenanigans. I figured I’d get them back in place so it could support itself, do the v8 mods, then worry about the usual rot stuff later. Started off hacking at the base of the footwell and adding some Binky-esque CAD templates: then realised there wasn't much point trying to save the outer skin, as i needed to hack the top about too... so, in with some frech stell and off with some more of the old: Filled some of the gaps (think you can see all the internal grimness had been cleaned up beforehand in one of the last photos) much the same on the other side, but i'll save you the boredom of running through it all again. Next up, needed to make the gap for the engine a bit wider, to clear the heads and manifolds. If you hunt round online, you'll find a guide from years back explaining where you need to trim the footwells to fit round a v8. I started out by following this guide, thinking it'd be a decent starting point.. As you can probably guess, it was a bit optimistic: Now technically that could have fitted, but the thought of the head gently tapping the bulkhead constantly didn't fill me with much enthusiasm so i took a deep breath and reached for the grinder: again, same sort of thing on the other side but this post's getting same-y enough already so i'll skip that. On that note, if this one's a bit dull with too many pics, let me know. That leaves us with a bulkhead which fits around the engine and holds itself up so it can go onto the chassis. So next up is probably going to be the basic throw-together. That said, there's an elephant in the room that needs to be addressed before too long...we'll see.
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if this one's a bit dull with too many pics, let me know. Not at all. I spent the first few pics trying to spot the repairs through the tools. Kept me quiet for ages. A kind of welding, "Where's Wally?" Moving along nicely now.
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jamesd1972
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Nice to see progress, the a pillars on ours are 'on the list' but going la la la for now ! Good to see how other people approach them in the meantime. James
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