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May 11, 2021 23:07:51 GMT
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Supercharger rebuild time! Ever since fitting the CAI, I started to notice a bearing noise or what seemed like a bearing noise. It was an odd one as it wasn't there all the time. Guessing it was from the S/C and not a belt idler or tensioner nor the alternator and after doing a few basic checks it was time to start stripping. Initially I took off the front pulley which is clutched - that bearing was shot and had leaked it's grease out which got onto the clutch faces too. No problems, the bearing is inexpensive and the clutch would clean up easily. Also, it was a good opportunity to change the oil and set the clutch air gap. Delighted with myself put it all back together and when for a test drive, Yep, the S/C was quieter but still there was a noise, a different noise! Obviously, one noisy bearing was masking another .Time to do the job properly and pull out the S/C and replace the rear needle bearings. Of course this is what I should have done in the first place! I found both bearings were shot, they had allowed the rotors to drop ever so slightly (no damage of any significance done luckily) and most of their grease was inside the S/C housing rather than in the bearings. I haven't refitted the S/C just yet as I'm waiting on the input shaft seal (which I originally forgot to order) that retains the oil for the snout gears. Hope I'm not speaking too soon but I expect all to be o.k. when I do refit the S/C. Fingers crossed. The bottom line with these S/C's (Eaton M62) is they need rebuilding long before the 145,000 miles this one has covered. If I was in the same position again I wouldn't go past 100,000 miles without replacing the bearings - live & learn I suppose. And I've no real excuse as it's inexpensive for parts and the whole job could be done in a half day. The bonus of removing the complete S/C it allowed access to the steering box. A good time to adjust the box. I took it easy, there is a specific way to adjust these and a couple of gauges I believe are needed to do it correctly according to M-B. So, I adjusted like I've done previously on older Merc's and BMW's . In the end I settled on a 1/4 turn of adjustment, probably closer to 75 degrees rather than a full 90 degrees.
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Last Edit: May 12, 2021 0:02:00 GMT by Woofwoof
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May 12, 2021 10:26:39 GMT
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A couple of years ago before I bought my CLK I was researching which would the best engine choice. I had considered the CLK230 Kompressor but there were so many stories on the internet regarding supercharger bearing failure at >120k miles it put me off. Looks like the stories may have had more than a grain of truth!! In the end I went for the 3.2 V6 as it is reputedly bullet proof. (shame the rest of the car isn't as reliable!!)
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2004 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71 2005 Mercedes CLK320 Cabriolet 1996 Mercedes C180 Elegance Auto Saloon 1996 Rover 620Ti (Dead fuel pump) 1992 Toyota HiLux Surf 1987 Range Rover Vogue (Rusty) 1992 Range Rover Vogue SE (More Rusty) 2006 Chrysler Grand Voyager 2008 Corsa 1.4 Design
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May 12, 2021 11:35:17 GMT
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A couple of years ago before I bought my CLK I was researching which would the best engine choice. I had considered the CLK230 Kompressor but there were so many stories on the internet regarding supercharger bearing failure at >120k miles it put me off. Looks like the stories may have had more than a grain of truth!! In the end I went for the 3.2 V6 as it is reputedly bullet proof. (shame the rest of the car isn't as reliable!!) I can understand you being weary but they are really very reliable, most people that are weary haven't owned one - internet whispers and all that. There's nothing much to go wrong, as you can see from my posts above. The trick like most things is to change the oil. 30- 50k miles is probably ideal not the 100k Merc suggest. The three bearings and oil seal should be renewed at 100k imo, definitely not at 145k miles like I did . Total cost for the overhaul was 70-80 quid Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another S/C car again. The M112 you have is a very nice engine (check the crank pulley if you have not done so) but completely different obviously to the M111 Kompressor and their characters are chalk and cheese. One of the advantages of the kompressor engine is there's a fair bit of scope to increase the power with a modest budget, plus they are easy on fuel too which is a nice bonus. Another reason I bought this car is because it's a manual and that's what I wanted. If you are looking again at a CLK opt for an early manual model with the M62 Kompressor rather than the later car's with the smaller M45 kompressor. Of course like all things getting on in age finding really good one's is becoming more difficult.
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Last Edit: Jul 22, 2021 8:49:12 GMT by Woofwoof
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Jul 21, 2021 20:27:53 GMT
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So, the S/C rebuild is done, fitted the new shaft seal (along with 3 x bearings) and it's much quieter I'm delighted to say. Another couple of bits done as well. First off I decided to enclose the CAI for two reasons. One, reduce the S/C noise (I'm getting old!) and two, eliminate or decrease the possibility of any engine bay heat being sucked in. I've kept both inlets (75 & 52 mm). usually IAT's are 7-8C above ambient off boost which I'm happy with. Basically I've just put a lid on it rather than it sealing against the underside of the bonnet which included adding a side panel near the inner wing and sealing around & below the head light. I lined the box, lid and base with EPDM foam.
Next was to bring the gear lever a little closer. I'll probably do a second version when I drop the box for a clutch but in the meantime this little mod will do nicely. Its great when a small thing can make such a difference - 3mm thick steel cur to 40 x 20mm and a couple holes. This moved the lever back 25mm. 4th engaged, normally at that distance it would be neutral. Lined.
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Last Edit: Jul 22, 2021 12:08:04 GMT by Woofwoof
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It's been a while since I updated, a few things have happened and a few things planned. I booked the car in for an N.C.T. test (MOT) and it passed with flying colours, so happy out there. As I've took the car off the road for the winter I reckoned it was an ideal time to plan what the next jobs should be. Top of the list was to check for timing chain stretch which it must have some at this stage (150k miles). Now this is actually a big job, to replace the the chain guides the front cover has to come off and that means taking the head off and if I'm doing that I may as well replace the valve stem seals, strip and clean the followers, refresh the cam adjuster with new springs etc, etc. It would turn into a classic case of job creep, the water pump and coolant hoses are original so that's another job. Anyway pulled the valve cover off and set the timing and to my surprise the timing was off by only 5 degrees, factory spec is 20 degrees after TDC new, max 30 degrees , mine was showing 25 degrees, not too bad. The exhaust was at 30 degrees, new 25, max allowed 35 degrees. Well it doesn't seem excessive to me? Opinions welcome as I've no experience with t-chains on these engines. Green spot 20, Red 25 degrees. After mulling things over I've decided not to change the chain and guides and therefore not pull the cylinder head, maybe next year. What I will do is fit a new chain tensioner (the internal spring can go weak) and since I have to remove the Supercharger to get at the tensioner I'm considering fitting a smaller pulley which will increase the boost pressure from the current 10.5 psi to 12.5 with the aim of 240 bhp/200 bhp @ the wheels. Also I'll look into a custom intercooler with 50% increase in core size. New rear tyres are on the cards too and no doubt a few other bits & pieces.
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Last Edit: Mar 4, 2022 9:58:20 GMT by Woofwoof
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Nov 13, 2021 23:43:32 GMT
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Well this happened. Started stripping. Belts, coolant hoses, water pump, coolant/thermostat housing, crank pulley, air box, supercharger and belt idler. To access the t-chain tensioner ( red arrow) the S/C has to be removed as it's right behind but it's easier to change the S/C pulley and change it's oil while I have it out. Next up ordering parts.
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Last Edit: Nov 13, 2021 23:55:35 GMT by Woofwoof
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Ordering parts! Now being honest I love buying new parts, I suppose who doesn't? But, I'm making this job an international operation, besides buying some here in Ireland I've stuff coming from the U.K., Germany, Latvia and the U.S.. All straight forward or so I reckoned but it's been slow and a bit of work. I reckon too some suppliers are using Covid as an excuse to cover fcuk ups and slow delivery. Anyway, I'm getting there. List: Chain Tensioner. Water Pump. Coolant Hoses x 4 (the remaining five are Merc only). Coolant Housing 'O' ring seal. Cam cover to dipstick tube Breather Hose. 5L Coolant. S/C Top Gasket. S/C Oil. I.C. Outlet seal. Front Crank oil seal. Engine Dipstick used (Merc only at present) and yep I'm the dipstick that broke it! S/C milled down (in progress locally). Silver HTP. Remote Oil hose, Switch and fittings. 27mm Deep Impact socket. Crank locking tool (flywheel mounted). Since there's not a lot I can do at the moment I decided it would be no harm to clean up the header heat shield. It was looking rather sorry for itself, especially since the engine mount and steering box h/shields were already cleaned and painted. With shield placed in a large basin of citric acid/water mix over night, then a clean up with brake cleaner, a few coats of HT paint and an hour in the oven I ended up with this. Talk about bling, can't wait for the silver to lose it's shine. As the heat shield was off I removed all the exhaust manifold nuts, I hate manifold nuts and studs. I've had some bad luck over the years with them being either seized, rounding off or the studs snapping. The key here is to use a quality socket and only turn 1/4 at a time, retighten and repeat while using plenty of spray lubricant. If they're really stuck some heat helps. Got all eleven of the nuts off, including the curse word of a one at the lower rear. Cleaned the threads and added a smear of copper slip. Guess who was a happy boy... This job should stand to me when the time comes to remove the cylinder head. I'm almost proud of those nice and clean nuts & studs! I'm going to fit an oil line for a pressure switch with the option to fit a pressure gauge - never been comfortable not having such a basic warning light on the dash. This will be plumbed into the redundant port ( M12 x 1.5) behind the supercharger which is clearly visible between #1 & #2 exhaust header (early M111 car cars used this port for a sensor). The port is located at the rear of the S/C where space is a little limited. I can't screw in an adapter for both switch and oil feed for a gauge directly thus the remote oil line with a banjo & bolt which should (guesswork by me) sit less pronounced from the block, and not interfering with mounting the S/C back up correctly and then a generic switch can be located nearer the inner wing or somewhere out of the way. If all goes to plan (famous last words) I could at later date add an oil pressure gauge too or just connect to the adapter to take a pressure reading whenever. I won't be fitting an oil pressure gauge on the dash (there's no room anyway) but at least I'll have a warning light for a little peace of mind. Mock up of block connection and switch mounting. This is what I ended up with. Oil light
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Last Edit: Mar 4, 2022 0:55:42 GMT by Woofwoof
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Nov 26, 2021 22:00:42 GMT
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I very very rarely buy anything here in Ireland - most of my stuff comes from Mister-Auto in France or Autodoc in Germany. Having said that, Euro Car Parts here in Cork were able to get me a decent saving on some special order Powerflex bushes recently.
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Nov 27, 2021 13:25:46 GMT
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Yep I buy from everywhere while keeping an eye on shipping charges and possible import duties. Just spent 150 with Autodoc, 30 was for delivery. Also spent 67 euro with a Merc main dealer in Germany, 26 euro was delivery charges but still cheaper and very easy to order stuff which is great because I'm no fan of using main dealers here.
Swings and roundabouts, as they say.
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Mark
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Nov 27, 2021 13:48:13 GMT
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Tips from a serial parts bargain hunter! Car-parts.ie is the little known Irish site for autodoc, free shipping!
Mister-auto is often brilliant for brake discs for some reason.
I used to be a big advocate for Carondo but they seem to have lost suppliers recently so their selection is not what it was.
Don't forget about eurocarparts up north if you ever have need to go up.
Edit: and rockauto in US can be great too.
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Last Edit: Nov 27, 2021 13:49:51 GMT by Mark
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Nov 27, 2021 14:01:58 GMT
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Tips from a serial parts bargain hunter! Car-parts.ie is the little known Irish site for autodoc, free shipping! Mister-auto is often brilliant for brake discs for some reason. I used to be a big advocate for Carondo but they seem to have lost suppliers recently so their selection is not what it was. Don't forget about eurocarparts up north if you ever have need to go up. Edit: and rockauto in US can be great too. Cheers, for the info. I did use Mister-Auto but generally I found them over priced more recently and lacking in stock. Yes,I keep forgetting about Car-parts.ie, will keep it in mind thanks. As for the U.S. suppliers I've had great success on and off over the years, also I've family there which can help. I don't travel to the north, well maybe once every few years, there was a great guy in Newry I use to deal with. As for Euro car parts here, they are a joke, well that's my experience anyway. I do use a local motor factors, family run place and they are great and happy to pay a little over the odds with them but on big ticket items they simply can't compete.
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Old and new t- chain tensioner spring, the new is about 10 mm longer. With the new tensioner fitted the inlet timing went from 25 to 24 degrees and the exhaust from 30 to 28 degrees. Not a great improvement but all well within manufacturers spec.
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Last Edit: Mar 4, 2022 10:22:15 GMT by Woofwoof
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More Boost. Boost is good! At long last I got my S/C pulley back from the local engineering shop. It's milled down from the stock 94 to 87 mm which should see the car ending up c.240 bhp @ the f/wheel with extra torque, giving a solid 200 bhp @ the wheels. With a max pressure of around 12.5 -13 psi. Now, all this talk about max power is well and good but I don't run the engine to max rev's or hit the rev limiter that often due to traffic and varying road conditions, what really interests me is mid range punch. Typically, cruising @ 2500 rpm (off boost) and then sudden wide open throttle. That's were the engine currently sparkles with no lag, hopefully the new increased boost pressure will make it sparkle even more. Wonder how long the head gasket is going to last now? Answers on a post card please. 😁 When everything is back on the engine I'll need to look into upping the fuel pressure and fitting a larger I.C. too. Milled pulley.
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Last Edit: Dec 17, 2021 11:47:30 GMT by Woofwoof
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Dec 17, 2021 21:24:16 GMT
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Made a Stealership visit! Now it's not often I go to the M-B dealership or any other for that matter, I like to avoid if at all possible not just because they tend to be expensive but find the service is mediocre at best. Regardless, I needed to buy some M-B only supplied parts and most importantly I needed a genuine front crank oil seal as the aftermarket one's supplied to me were an inferior design. Before going to the local M-B glass and chrome palace I went to the local parts store who are friendly and helpful people. They initially ordered up an Elring seal and it was no better than the Febi I already had, then they ordered a Victor Reinz seal and no surprise it too was of a similar design to both the Febi & Elring. Here's the original, it's got a nice inner lip design and a spring to keep the lip snug on the crank. Now here's the new Febi seal which I fitted and then removed (thus the distorted shape) as I just wasn't happy with the design compared to the original. The inner lip is far from robust, it's really very thin and there's no spring.
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Last Edit: Dec 18, 2021 1:24:57 GMT by Woofwoof
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I sometimes have to visit MSL with cars for work. Service and fuel filter on a 2018 S-Class, €720!
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Not surprised and I reckon that's all they want to do along with changing brake pads and discs.
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Last Edit: Dec 18, 2021 15:19:51 GMT by Woofwoof
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At last refitted everything back on the engine and when for a test drive. Long story short, Wow what a difference the smaller S/C has made.
Cruising in say 5th off boost, then go sudden wide open throttle there's now 9 psi with a the max boost pressure is 13-13.5 psi. Prior to this I had 10.5 psi max , the stock spec is 6.5-7.0 psi max
I think, I've hit the target BHP that I wanted 240 @ fly & 200+ @ the wheels.
To sum up it's a different car to drive, the extra BHP is one thing but the extra torque and spread of the increased torque makes it actually fast. Of course being a car originally introduced in the early 90's it's not heavy which helps.
Now I'm just waiting on higher pressure fuel regulator.
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Last Edit: Jan 6, 2022 21:37:58 GMT by Woofwoof
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So, over the last few months I've been doing a little bit. First thing on my mind was not having the S/C ported which would really compliment the smaller S/C pulley. I came across another S/C that was for sale, it was cheap too and guy selling was a gent and helped out with the shipping from England to Ireland, I couldn't have asked for more. I'll keep the orignal S/C as a spare which is nice to have. Here's the S/C, dirty both externally and internally. I reckon an oil leak from the rocker cover and clogged PCV system were the culprits. Not an issue as I'll clean it up anyway for paint. This time round I'll do the same as I did on the other S/C in April last year. New needle and pulley bearings and outlet gasket. But I'll also fit an upgraded double lipped shaft seal instead of the stock less ridged single lip and use Kenne Bell Lucas oil rather than the usual eBay stuff.
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Last Edit: Mar 4, 2022 10:05:03 GMT by Woofwoof
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Stripped and cleaned Pre porting Ported
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Last Edit: Mar 3, 2022 22:23:00 GMT by Woofwoof
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New and old seal New seal
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