ZXRob
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Hi there Retro Rides Ford people!
I have a couple of questions regarding parts for my 1.3 cvh.
Will the cylinder head from a 1.6 fit and work on my 1.3? I want to build up a new head and have found one cheap.
Second question, will an RS1600i complete exhaust fit my 1.3? I have been wanting something a bit more stylish but not super loud and have found one at a price cheap enough to fit but too expensive for an experiment.
Cheers in advance!
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Mar 29, 2020 13:00:34 GMT
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I'd guess at the head fitting, but might need a skim of the head or block (...or both?) to get the compression right?
The exhaust is a maybe, but probably could be cut and shut to fit somewhere along it's route...
Worth trying Burton for info on the head, if they don't know they'll know who does.
As it's been a long time since I've thought about a CVH, can I say "Coarse and Very Harsh" and "full metal racket"?
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ZXRob
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Mar 29, 2020 13:54:02 GMT
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I'd guess at the head fitting, but might need a skim of the head or block (...or both?) to get the compression right? The exhaust is a maybe, but probably could be cut and shut to fit somewhere along it's route... Worth trying Burton for info on the head, if they don't know they'll know who does. As it's been a long time since I've thought about a CVH, can I say "Coarse and Very Harsh" and "full metal racket"? Haha! Mine is only on 103000kms and is pretty quiet actually. I remember the engine in my old 1.3 Fiesta and "full metal racket" definitely fits! The reason I want to build up a new head is a) because my stem seals need doing and b) it's kind of fun isn't it! I would also port it a bit just for a bit of fun. Will check out Burton. |
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Mar 29, 2020 14:24:16 GMT
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If it’s just valve stem oilseals you can do them easily without removing the head, if you’ve got the tool, just don’t drop a collett down an oilway! Ask me how I know...
On the ohv engines the capacity changed from the height of the block, don’t know if the cvh is the same? Might mean that a 1600i manifold sits too low?
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Mar 29, 2020 18:39:22 GMT
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The heads are all the same apart from the leanburn engines which had a different shaped combustion chamber.
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Phil H
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Mar 29, 2020 23:13:31 GMT
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Block height changes between 1300 and 1600 on the CVH.
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Mar 30, 2020 16:26:13 GMT
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The heads are all the same apart from the leanburn engines which had a different shaped combustion chamber. I believe the early mfi engines had a different shaped port as well, apparently that was the best head to have, I think it was an apple shaped chamber? |
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ChasR
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Mar 30, 2020 17:43:17 GMT
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Like a few here, I've not had a noisy CVH. Alot of them IMHO were neglected and that's when the tappet and cam chain issues started ; people also love a bandwagon ; the same people who will claim Stag engines were welded together and "I swear I saw the weld that joined them, honest, boss". One thing I would say is to find a company who can change your tensioner bearing. When I last checked, the 1.3 tensioner was NLA and it has been for quite some time. Annoying as on a ZVH, they are about the only tensioner which will do the job due to the block being taller. On an engine which is known to have cambelt failures, it would be crazy to not change it. As said, the valve stem oil seals can be done in situ ; Sykes-Pickavent used to do a tool for doing this  . |
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Mar 30, 2020 18:57:14 GMT
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A belt, surely?
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Mar 30, 2020 19:02:06 GMT
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Yup, that as well . My point was, considering the tensioner has been NLA for at least 4 years, you can bet most tensioners rollers won't be as fresh as they should be. |
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Last Edit: Mar 30, 2020 19:02:55 GMT by ChasR
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Mar 30, 2020 19:02:43 GMT
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The heads are all the same apart from the leanburn engines which had a different shaped combustion chamber. Apart from injection engines And the 1.4 And the 1.8. And the 1.3 has smaller exhaust valves Apart from that, all the same 😀  |
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Mar 30, 2020 19:15:08 GMT
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There’s that many different heads it’s bonkers!
I’d forgotten about the 1.3 exhaust valves but you’ve got:
Early Hemi - which carried on past the lean burn days if MFi and there’s a few variants of those.
1.6 lean burn
1.6 EFi
1.4 carb
1.4 EFi
1.8 I-CVH
Not seen a 1.1 in the flesh to compare.
And that’s just the UK ones. You’ve also got the funky dual port US one!
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ZXRob
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Mar 31, 2020 11:07:12 GMT
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Like a few here, I've not had a noisy CVH. Alot of them IMHO were neglected and that's when the tappet and cam chain issues started ; people also love a bandwagon ; the same people who will claim Stag engines were welded together and "I swear I saw the weld that joined them, honest, boss". One thing I would say is to find a company who can change your tensioner bearing. When I last checked, the 1.3 tensioner was NLA and it has been for quite some time. Annoying as on a ZVH, they are about the only tensioner which will do the job due to the block being taller. On an engine which is known to have cambelt failures, it would be crazy to not change it. As said, the valve stem oil seals can be done in situ ; Sykes-Pickavent used to do a tool for doing this . I fitted a new timing belt and tensioner last year when I bought the car. I could order it through Ford. I work in a Ford garage as a mechanic and we have the gear to do the stem seals. I just fancy building myself a head. Plus I think a new head gasket would be a good idea and if I can get a head it would be no fuss to swap it. |
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ChasR
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Mar 31, 2020 17:48:59 GMT
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Like a few here, I've not had a noisy CVH. Alot of them IMHO were neglected and that's when the tappet and cam chain issues started ; people also love a bandwagon ; the same people who will claim Stag engines were welded together and "I swear I saw the weld that joined them, honest, boss". One thing I would say is to find a company who can change your tensioner bearing. When I last checked, the 1.3 tensioner was NLA and it has been for quite some time. Annoying as on a ZVH, they are about the only tensioner which will do the job due to the block being taller. On an engine which is known to have cambelt failures, it would be crazy to not change it. As said, the valve stem oil seals can be done in situ ; Sykes-Pickavent used to do a tool for doing this . I fitted a new timing belt and tensioner last year when I bought the car. I could order it through Ford. I work in a Ford garage as a mechanic and we have the gear to do the stem seals. I just fancy building myself a head. Plus I think a new head gasket would be a good idea and if I can get a head it would be no fuss to swap it. Good to hear . The rest makes a little more sense now . That is surprising, unless it's a 1.6 tensioner that you are using. I only know about the 1.3 tensioner is what the ZVH conversions use. When I tried to get a few things from Ford for mine (tensioner (1.3) and header tank for my RS Turbo) I was told they were NLA and I tried a few dealers for that. The 1.6 tensioner is available, but not the smaller 1.3 from when I last looked. |
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Mar 31, 2020 18:29:41 GMT
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ChasR it depends on the Ford dealer! I've phoned one in the past to be told NLA, but heres the part number. Phoned the dealer in the other town from work and it arrives on the van the next day  Maybe it depends on what stock they can get hold of ( or be bothered to get)
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Mar 31, 2020 21:04:44 GMT
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ChasR it depends on the Ford dealer! I've phoned one in the past to be told NLA, but heres the part number. Phoned the dealer in the other town from work and it arrives on the van the next day Maybe it depends on what stock they can get hold of ( or be bothered to get) Tried that with the local dealer for my Mondeo. I'm basically putting factory Bluetooth Audio into a car which never came with it. Mine is also a very early MkIV Mondeo, so the wiring harness inside is kind of a MkIII/IV mix. I gave them both a manufactuing part no (so the prefix, base and suffix as per Ford nos.) as well as the Finis. Again, I've been told NLA ; I've managed to get some parts easily in the past however, like presssure caps, and obscured connector hose joints etc for my RS Turbo.. The issue also is all three dealers by me up to a 20 mile radius are Allen Ford, which doesn't help matters. I may end up seeing if one of you guys can grab something in that case  . For the Mondeo I need a patch lead to make the bluetooth work; getting one out of a breaker is now obviously out of the question. With the car on the driveway, it makes sense to get that working now . |
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Last Edit: Mar 31, 2020 21:06:00 GMT by ChasR
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I’m still running a 1.6 mfi Mk3 escort as my daily (well ok not quite so daily at the moment!) and I’ve had no problems getting almost anything for it, but I tend to stick to the specialist suppliers since most dealers seem to be as much use as a chocolate teapot and charge extra to muck you about
Case in point- when I dropped the collett down the oilway (see above) I thought I’d just order another one since I’d heard it hit the bottom of the sump, and it wasn’t going to do much harm there.
Dealer wanted to sell me a pack of 25! Who in hell wants that many of them, and why an odd number? Surely even if it was an engine set I could have understood, but whaaaat???
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. For the Mondeo I need a patch lead to make the bluetooth work; getting one out of a breaker is now obviously out of the question. With the car on the driveway, it makes sense to get that working now