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Interesting about the turbo coolant plumbing. Is there a way you can hook it up as the last point in the coolant system with a return to the expansion tank? I know on my X1/9 (Uno Turbo engine) it's set up so that when the turbo's hot and the engine is shut down it boils the water in it, pushing it into the expansion tank and pulling colder water from the rest of the cooling system into it.
Bit of protection if it's shut off before letting the turbo cool down properly. Would have to look up how it's done properly though.
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mat88
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So an update. And would it be an update from me without problems.. I think not... I've got good news and bad news.. so if I average that out. That's medium news right?? So I got a phone call from john at John sleath race cars earlier. Like an expectant parent. What would he have to say. How many millions of bhp has it made. How many rods have exited stage left. How much do I owe him for cleaning up the oil haha. Well the good news. It's "mapped" it starts runs and drives. And is now in a safe useable state..well almost. It's getting hot. But I can remedy that easily enough. Could be thermostat stuck, could be thermostat missing altoghter (these need the stat in place or the water doesn't flow properly) tbh I've not had it out to check. Could just need the bigger ally rad I planned on fitting anyways... but I can work round that. The bad news.. it won't boost .. now there's been a few ideas banded round already. Could be simply that the huge hx50 is too big. But other people have used them with no issue. More likely is that the Cheap special wastegate isn't sealing and it's all escaping before the turbo. Now on a normal car with an unsilenced screamer pipe you would hear it. But the exhaust is that loud you cant hear anything.... So I need to start looking into why. I'm planning on bypassing the gate altogether. Either welding the screamer pipe shut. Or making a blanking plate and removing the gate altogether and trying it without to see if it boosts. But atleast were going in right direction.. I've now summat to work with.. The good news as it was, is that even making an almighty 3psi of boost it's making 253bhp at the back tyres. Which John estimates to be somewere around low 300s at the crank. Using basic man maths that should be around 350 at 7psi which is what I hoped for. I just need to figure out why now So yeah. Mixed emotions. Can't be happier that it "works" but likewise it's still now we're near... I'm working in that there fancy London town tomorrow but if I'm back in time il be collecting it tomorrow evening and then I can start on the investigation in Ernest... And just incase anyone needs proof.. here it is. In all its glory... On his Dyno. With no puddles under it haha More soon hopefully.. were going right direction atleast. Cheers
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One thing I've learned with setting up cars on dynos is it normally takes more then one attempt when as many things have been changed as you've done. I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it and have it boosting soon. Nick
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mk2cossie
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Even got the red carpet out for it on the dyno by the looks of it
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One thing I've learned with setting up cars on dynos is it normally takes more then one attempt when as many things have been changed as you've done. I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it and have it boosting soon. Nick Yeah I never expected it to work perfect after everything I've done.. I just didn't see no boost being an issue (too much boost maybe)... Haha Il figure it out I'm sure. I've come too far not to now. Cheers
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mat88
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Even got the red carpet out for it on the dyno by the looks of it Got the red carpet out and made less than 300bhp at the back tyres.. id have rolled the red carpet away for the photo haha
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bstardchild
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So an update. And would it be an update from me without problems.. I think not... I've got good news and bad news.. so if I average that out. That's medium news right?? The bad news.. it won't boost .. now there's been a few ideas banded round already. Could be simply that the huge hx50 is too big. But other people have used them with no issue. More likely is that the Cheap special wastegate isn't sealing and it's all escaping before the turbo. Now on a normal car with an unsilenced screamer pipe you would hear it. But the exhaust is that loud you cant hear anything.... So I need to start looking into why. I'm planning on bypassing the gate altogether. Either welding the screamer pipe shut. Or making a blanking plate and removing the gate altogether and trying it without to see if it boosts. But atleast were going in right direction.. I've now summat to work with.. I think I'd chuck a stiffer spring in the wastegate first?? Before I started welding up wastegates/screamer pipes etc anyway
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stealthstylz
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Should be fairly easy to pressure test a wastegate and check it's sealing.
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mat88
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So an update. And would it be an update from me without problems.. I think not... I've got good news and bad news.. so if I average that out. That's medium news right?? The bad news.. it won't boost .. now there's been a few ideas banded round already. Could be simply that the huge hx50 is too big. But other people have used them with no issue. More likely is that the Cheap special wastegate isn't sealing and it's all escaping before the turbo. Now on a normal car with an unsilenced screamer pipe you would hear it. But the exhaust is that loud you cant hear anything.... So I need to start looking into why. I'm planning on bypassing the gate altogether. Either welding the screamer pipe shut. Or making a blanking plate and removing the gate altogether and trying it without to see if it boosts. But atleast were going in right direction.. I've now summat to work with.. I think I'd chuck a stiffer spring in the wastegate first?? Before I started welding up wastegates/screamer pipes etc anyway Yeah that will probably be the first port of call tbh.. that and stick some masking tape over the screamer and run it see if it blows it off.
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mat88
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Should be fairly easy to pressure test a wastegate and check it's sealing. That's the plan. Well. Need to get it back off and see what's going on.. I know it works in the sense that it opens and closes if I pressurise the inlet that opens it. But I've not tested it to make sure it seels shut.. should know more when I've got it back so I can move forward with it
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I have to say I giggled when I saw the picture of the turbo in that picture above! Ha ha ha! Brilliant. When that thing starts boosting.....I can imagine the numbskulls in the engine really sweating.....! 'Here comes the Boost..........brace yourselves....it's going to hurt!'
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Loving this thread, good work so far and hopefully you'll get to the bottom of the small issues soon. What a mix of things, ticks loads of box's for me, V8 (big want for something v8) Turbo (who doesn't love a turbo?) and RWD J (miss all my 200sx's) just a pure blend of awesome well done
(now starts adding lexus soarers and IS's to my ebay watch list)
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It didn't blow up and it made 300bhp. Good start I'd say.
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Last Edit: Aug 5, 2020 16:09:42 GMT by rallyboy
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mat88
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I have to say I giggled when I saw the picture of the turbo in that picture above! Ha ha ha! Brilliant. When that thing starts boosting.....I can imagine the numbskulls in the engine really sweating.....! 'Here comes the Boost..........brace yourselves....it's going to hurt!' Oh it should all get very exciting very quickly when it starts boosting haha. And that may be sooner than we thought.... As for the turbo.. is it big enough... Haha
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mat88
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Loving this thread, good work so far and hopefully you'll get to the bottom of the small issues soon. What a mix of things, ticks loads of box's for me, V8 (big want for something v8) Turbo (who doesn't love a turbo?) and RWD J (miss all my 200sx's) just a pure blend of awesome well done (now starts adding lexus soarers and IS's to my ebay watch list) Thanks! I love the J stuff, I've had plenty of it haha. These are so underated as a car (just deathly slow lol), although it seems prices are starting to climb as the drift boys destroy them one by one I'd definitely recommend one. Even a non turbo is a fun car when there done and sorted.
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It didn't blow up and it made 300bhp. Good start I'd say. Definitely. A step if you like. It's making 40 ish bhp more than standard. All rods are still in all holes.. and I've got a working driving project now. Rather than an expensive ornament Progress I think
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mat88
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Who likes loud pipes and burnouts.. we all do haha. Set of early doors to do a couple of jobs down in the big smoke .. if there's one thing I hate more than having to go and work down there.. it's working down there in a scrap yard when it's red hot.. but needs must. So enough moaning. Jobs done set of back, called John to ask if he was back yet to collect it (he was out of the shop today) and we agreed to go at 4:30 Fast forward a few hours and I got a lift over there. I was excited and anxious at same time. Would it drive nice. Would it seem quick. Would all the late nights early mornings and general wibblepoo be worth it. After a quick chat with John to discuss my plan as what I need to sort and when he can do it. I set off home in it.. Well... Holy mother of god!!!! It's quick. It's not just nimble, or nippy. It's genuinely fast. And although I'm making a feeble 3psi when it starts to boost the rpm rises as fast as the scenery speeds up! Took a little detour on my way home to a "private road".. with my chief cameraman on filming duties this happened Not sure what went off with the filming.. if your on a phone. Turn it round. If your in the computer, stand on your head haha. I was going to throw in a little drift action for those who asked.. but the heat issue reared its head.. and John has set a 3500rpm limit if temp goes too high. So it was a case of limp home and coast as much as I can.. Once I'd stopped being an asbo, it actually drives really nice. Smooth progressive power all the way through. Idles well. Coasts to a stop well. Does everything it's meant to.. just no boost.. On the heat issue I've sourced a few degree lower temp thermostat, and a nice thick ally rad. Hopefully that will cure that issue. It should. I hope.. On the boost issue.. well... Once kids were down tonight I had to whip the gate off to see what was happening.. sure enough plain as day there is the issue. The fire ring isn't a nice fit in the housing and exhaust has been escaping down the outsides of it!!! Between the ring and the valve I've a lovely crisp line with no soot blowing past, so that bits fine. To remedy it I'm going to get my mate to Tig the ring to the body so it can't leak! But yeah. Couldn't be happier and can't wait to crack on now! Thanks everyone for sticking with it this long. Even I wasn't sure I was going to haha. Cheers
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So sadly not much of an update.. just an update to say there will be an update, once I've done the update.. following ...... Good. Took the wastegate into work with me yesterday, to try and remody the fire ring issue. Was going to go and see my master fabricator mate to get him to Tig it in place for me. But he's busy and I'm impatient.. plus how hard can it be (it turns out it's made of finest Cheap so quite hard) So stripped down, and then assessed what I was going to do. Turns out the valve and the seat aren't perfectly perpendicular to each other. Not the end of the world I can fix the seat on the wonk so it matches the valve.. guess that's the cheapo aspect of it.. but 1/6 of the price of a real one it's worth trying to sort. So badly welded the fire ring in place (did I mention it's made of something odd that welds like your trying to weld chocolate)... Then dressed back with a file trying my best to keep the mating surface flat (who am I kidding, it won't be flat ) I then spent far far longer than I'd like to admit trying to lap the valve back in.. I've got blisters on my hands and I nearly wore my new valve lapping stick out haha. But it seals just about and only gradually slowly seeps brake cleaner out the valve now (were as before ep2 would have run through the gap haha).. Hopefully that should sort that issue. Obviously technically the gate is now scrap if I need to replace the fire ring. But all I want to do is prove the concept and if it works il replace it with a "real one".. Onto the running hot issue. I don't think the original rad is particularly well.. I'm fairly sure the old engine had rad weld in. It was minging inside, was full of crust and rust and death.. and although I've flushed it I don't know how good the flow is internally. So the shiny lovely ally jobby should help (massively I hope).. say what you want about the Chinese, but 10/15 year ago that would have been a £1000 rad. So it's a win from me.. I also got a new thermostat a few degrees cooler than the original.. before I get shot down and told "a cooler stat won't stop it overheating". "it's a bandaid for another problem".... I know it won't magically cure it.. but I'm undercooled as it is and hopefully if the stats open a few degrees sooner, the cooling system will be doing its job properly sooner.. so should help (well it does in my head and that's the voice I'm listening to) haha. Unfortunately now armed with all these bits to put job right my Mrs is working tonight and the kids have decided sleep is for the weak, tbf it's precisely 63852 degrees in the house so I'm not surprised they wouldn't settle.. Hopefully tomorrow il get an hour or two spare and can wang all bits on and try it.. cooling issue sorted would be brilliant, boost issue sorted would be really brilliant.. likelihood of either being sorted. Slim to none I also need to do something with the exhaust... It's brilliant how loud it is, if I didn't have kids or neighbours I don't particularly want to fall out with, or a licence I didn't particularly want to keep. I'd leave it as is... But I do so need to do summat.. Anyone more knowledgeable chirp up by all means.. I'm currently 3.5 inch off the turbo, stepped up to a 4 inch downpipe.. to get under car I need to reduce the size, 3 inch is very cheap, easily available, and will be easier to keep some ground clearance.. 3.5 inch is loads more expensive, harder to work with, and harder still to keep any ground clearance.. I don't want to hold it back deliberately but likewise I like cheap, I like easy, I like off the shelf. What's the general consensus on running 3 inch pipe.. will have 1 maybe 2 straight through boxes. With a long term power goal of 500bhp.. answers on a postcard.. Anyways. Enough of this update. Stay tuned for the update this update is referring to haha Cheers
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Could you run a y piece/ diverter to either the noisy pipe or the 3” exhaust. Then you could run silencers and the small pipes for shopping and going to church and be noisy when needed?
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mk2cossie
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For most of the needs, a 3inch pipe will be fine. See what the dyno results are when it is making boost, and then worry about the exhaust size Also, the bigger the pipe, the more it will drone in use as well
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