gte86
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May 10, 2019 21:58:48 GMT
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My current daily drive is a 2004 Audi A4 1.9tdi 130. I drive 9 miles a day to work mainly on b roads. I am currently obsessed with E38 BMW's, they are such a bargain right now. Only problem is I can't decide which one of the kids to sell to fund my habit. I am a mechanic by trade and have use of ramps as and when needed. I am already on a fairly tight budget, is the BMW going to be a nightmare to run fairly cheaply? I don't want to avoid maintenance but want to avoid bills for as much as the car cost. Do I sell the daily, my Nova project and other parts to fund an E38 or is it a silly idea?
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gte86
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May 10, 2019 22:00:42 GMT
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May 10, 2019 22:17:42 GMT
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A 728i would be a more sensible option. More frugal, reliable and cheaper to maintain. A cruiser rather than a speed machine, but the 735i isn’t a racer either really.
I have a mint 728i and it isn’t a scrap of trouble, but I did put a lot of time and money into ensuring it was 100% before putting it into use.
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ChasR
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Bmw E38 735i as a daily?ChasR
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May 10, 2019 22:24:24 GMT
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They're a great car and from the Audi, I suspect you'll love the E38!
But they do have their issues. Check the fuel tank of whichever one you buy. If you get a sub £1k car it can be the value of the car to replace it! I think ECP now do tanks for £550 mind you.
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gte86
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May 10, 2019 22:45:26 GMT
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Is the 728 a comprised choice? I love the idea of a v8 with de cat and maybe back box delete. Will the 728i still shift ok for the weight? I'm not expecting a rocket ship but don't want to feel underpowered.
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May 10, 2019 23:12:55 GMT
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Is the 728 a comprised choice? I love the idea of a v8 with de cat and maybe back box delete. Will the 728i still shift ok for the weight? I'm not expecting a rocket ship but don't want to feel underpowered. I don’t think it’s a compromised choice and in terms performance on the road there’s very little in it noticeably between the 28 and the 35. I’ve owned the 740i and the 750i in the past two and there’s a more noticeable difference there, but if you don’t want to be stung by huge bills and running costs then the straight six is the one to go for. As above, they can still cost. Mine has had the fuel tank changed recently, along with 2 front springs, 2 rear ABS sensors, new seatbelt pretensioners, new expansion tank, every rubber seal on the outside of the car changed as they were showing signs of age as is typical on BMWs of that age and newer (the side rubbers above the door glass were nigh on £800!), a new pair of electrochromatic wing mirrors at just over £600, new BMW roundels, 4 new Pirelli’s, refurbished alloys all round and a brand new binnacle, which with display reprogramming to the car was knocking on for £700, new window regulator and lots more other bits and pieces, but it’s worth it because there are so many tired old dogs out there with starship mileage on them, but when you’ve got an E38 that is absolutely on song it’s a joyous thing and a real high point for BMW for me. I don’t think there has ever been such a handsome 4 door saloon and there’s even a socket for a fax machine in the back!
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Bmw E38 735i as a daily?ChasR
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The thing is they have a bit of an X-Factor. It's probably why some of the 'newer' BMWs like the E38 have questions with people asking 'are they a retro ride?'
I sort of got those questions before. But since I got this Audi A3 TDI I totally get the question. It's a very soulless car. It doesn't seem to communicate or stir the senses! It's a great car, but not an exciting one!
Clio 172 and even a 1.2 is a fairly fun thing compared to the above!
The £3k E61 535d I turned down to the above is a much much nicer thing! It has a character, a verve, something that makes you want to drive it! Yes, the early gen i-Drive drives people nuts, and yes the styling is questionable. Those quirks almost help the car, as it's a surprisingly nice car to live with! It's got a decent sounding engine for a diesel, it can somehow go around corners in a fashion despite it being a bit of a pudding, and it has a real authority on how it gets down the road.
The mate who sold the above E61 to my dad (an RRer on here) had E38s, and I think he preferred the E38 to the E61, albeit not by much. He did own 2 or 3 E38s I think.
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adam73bgt
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Bmw E38 735i as a daily?adam73bgt
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I ran a 750i as a daily for a short while, I had actually intended to get a V8 but the V12 came up very cheap and I couldn't resist Tanks as have been mentioned can give trouble, though if I recall correctly, making sure the vents are clear can prevent them failing? Front suspension arm bushings can wear out and cause steering shimmy around 60-70mph, same issue plagues the E32, E34 and E39 also Mine had the EDC suspension which was about £700 to replace one strut, most E38's won't have this though (or just delete it as a cheaper option) Again if I'm recalling correctly, the consensus seemed to be if you were going for a V8, might as well get the 740i as there wasn't much penalty over the 735i but some more performance. I thoroughly enjoyed mine for the time I had it, mine was a cheap, 200k mile car but felt nothing like it at all! The only downside for me was that it felt a little too polished, to the point of being almost boring? Some wheels and an exhaust would probably have fixed that but never got that far!
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Last Edit: May 11, 2019 7:14:46 GMT by adam73bgt
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Looks just like my 728i that. Same colour. Such a handsome, unfussy car.
Also reminded me 2 new Parking sensors and a set of 4 new TPMS valves (£700-odd!) are another two items to the list.
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May 11, 2019 19:46:36 GMT
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i ran a 2001 plate 735 for 5 years, paid 1200, got 400 back when it died. It did 10k a year. if you sit of 70 it'll do 35mpg but expect 20 on short journeys. avereage over 50k miles was probably 24mph. But it drifted round every roundabout and took us all over the country.
maintenance jobs weren't too bad. it had 230k on it when i got it and it ran on mobil 1 with changes every 6k or so.I did the gearbox oil twice during my ownership. I did 2 springs and the rubber diaphragm in the back of the inlet manifold, but otherwise just usual wear and tear jobs like brakes, but they are heavy and the suspension bushes wear out often. Mine went flat out everywhere and never complained much.
Best money I ever spent
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May 11, 2019 20:30:38 GMT
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why not consider a lexus ls400? similar car, v8 and renowned for build quality and reliability. from what ive just read here e38s seem to have their fair share of expensive problems.
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gte86
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May 11, 2019 20:40:30 GMT
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I just love the look of the E38. On a set of m sport parallels it just looks right from the factory. Just a set of spacers and springs needed to tuck it nicely. After driving dad's v8 hotrod then getting into my Audi diesel I decided I need a v8 in my life. 33 is old enough for a mid life crisis right?
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May 11, 2019 21:39:55 GMT
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Yes it is. I'm the same age and I've had a wealth of cheap E38s. If that's a midlife, I started mine at 26...
On your 9 mile commute, a 735i will be a hoot. Your diesel Audi is a total waste of time and you'll end up clogging it up at that rate. You need to be doing 30-40 miles or more to get the benefit of a diesel. There will be no difference between a 728i and a 735i on 9 miles of B roads. Yes a 728 takes a little more gusto to get moving, but it is not underpowered as people who haven't ran one like to say. It can be more economical, but only once you have it sitting on a long stretch of road on cruise. B road driving, it will get 20, just like the 735i will. So there is no saving whatsoever in choosing a 6 cylinder model, plus you won't have a V8. Backbox removed and they sound - well, like a V8. They need a bit of back pressure so you can't just lob the lot off though.
In terms of reliability, they are right up there. You have the choice of a 94-95 730i M60 V8, 96-98 735i M62 or 98-01 735i M62tu. The TU (facelift cars) can give a little bother, but the cars are slightly nicer... it's a tiny trade-off. You can of course also opt for any of the 740i cars, with engine codes to match - but a 740i is a big price hike. Because everyone says "you should have got a 740i instead", nobody really wants 735s and so they stay low in value. A pre-facelift (94-98) 730i/735i is probably the least desirable E38 going, yet it's exactly the same car otherwise. Thus you can get some good spec in one but it will still be cheap.
Big problems have been mentioned. There are really only three that you want to pay careful attention to. Other things are minor/less common. 1. Fuel Tank. They are metal and they do rot. Look around the seams at the mounting bolts, and the filler tube. Pattern new ones are under £400 now, but fitting is a day's work (can be DIY'd). They can be repaired too, if not too bad. 2. Rear springs. They crack, and they are a PITA to get off. Rear seats and parcel shelf removal to access the top, and the bottom bolt often seizes. You can ignore EDC maladies as it's very uncommon in a 735. 3. Instrument cluster pixels. You can live with this, but to send off for repair is around £100. It's very common and most people just deal with it.
They seldom break or wear out anything else and are one car that you CAN realistically run on a small budget, as long as you look after the main points. Parts are cheap secondhand because they seldom fail, so something you might think would be pricey, say a window regulator, will be cheap as all the breakers have working ones. Facelift ones do have issues with ABS electrics inherited from the E39 so another reason to stick to an earlier car. By my reckoning, the most reliable yet the least desirable of them all would be a 1994-1998 730i or 735i, and do everything you want it too. Chop the backbox, enjoy your electric leather seats and waft about like you are a senior marketing executive 20 years ago.
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As much as I love the LS400 it would be almost impossible for me to not kick and punch the curse word out of it to get my bonus points
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Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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May 13, 2019 11:26:06 GMT
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I ran an E30 325i Touring for a 30,000 miles (having bought it on 196,000!) - i did that mileage in just over 2 years. Used it to commute between Pembrokeshire and London. Every journey in that car was an event. It wasn't the quickest car I've had or the best handling but the experience - I've had nothing like it since or before. Perhaps the 205gti 1.9 came close. It wasn't a 7 series (of course) but the principal remains the same - I spent an awful lot on preventative maintenance and then budgeted for a constant monthly bill/works to keep it in the best condition possible. Remains, to this day, my favourite car. Actually pine for it! Go for your 7 series (in whatever ilk) and good luck with it.
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May 15, 2019 19:25:12 GMT
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I've had all the 7s e32 e38 and now e66 All V12 In terms of the e38 id go either 2.8 or v12 the 3.5 was the most pointless engine they did the 4.4 was better but the V8s aren't a good engine the 2.8 is a small engine for a big car but it's common throughout the BMW range so parts availability is good and it's a well proven engine I used to get 26 mpg average from my e38 750il and its midrange performance will annoy most sports cars If you drive a v12 you will forget about the rest and buy one
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May 16, 2019 12:17:30 GMT
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Such a good looking car. The only thing that puts me off buying one is space to park the thing. My S-Type was too big for my drive.
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gte86
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May 16, 2019 19:18:50 GMT
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I think the 750 is out of budget. The mid life crisis part of me wants a v8 so that's the 728 out of the picture. I'm not too worried about power as it will be a comfortable cruiser not a racer. Hoping to start selling some things at end of month to see what my budget is. Thanks for all help and opinions.
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