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Every little garage would make you up a copper brake pipe for a few quid (I would do it for nothing). Especially if you have the old one for them to reference the length on. It's literally 5 minutes work I’m fairness, sometimes hassle outweighs cost...trying to find a ‘friendly’ garage that might do it would probably take a while... |
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Every little garage would make you up a copper brake pipe for a few quid (I would do it for nothing). Especially if you have the old one for them to reference the length on. It's literally 5 minutes work I’m fairness, sometimes hassle outweighs cost...trying to find a ‘friendly’ garage that might do it would probably take a while... I think CJ lives in the North West. We are all friendly from there! My advice for bleeding is go all the way around taking around 250ml through each corner. Check the pedal and if its a good pedal leave it if it is spongy get a helper to sit in the car and hold it on then crack off the first bleed nipple and close it when the fluid stops coming out. Then get the helper to press and hold the pedal again and crack off the next one, repeat until the pedal is no longer spongy. |
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sometimes you can also get air trapped in the calipers and cylinders, backing the adjusters right off or pushing the pistons back in with the bleed nipple open can help.
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cjhillman
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Cheers guys. I'll get back to this tomorrow, I tried to have a full day off today. I picked up some more brake fluid when i went for the weekly shop.
ZXRob, I used to live in the North West, London for the time being. Also this is why I can't afford to take it to a garage haha. I have a good local one but at £70 an hour I can't take it all the time. If i can get this on 4 Axle stands it would make it much easier, its just such a small drive so probably will take a bit more effort. Will keep everyone posted.
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I use a place local to me that let's you hire out their unit by the hour. It's got light, power, water and a two post lift.
It makes every job so much easier and quicker.
Do any similar places like that exist where you are?
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Ok, got it on 4 Axle stands today so i had a nice floating Capri to work with.  Then i went around the two front brakes continuing the pattern. All good and i got a nice firm brake pedal!! But... when I checked out the passenger side front, the calliper was stuck fast. A little bit of diagnosis by cracking the bleeder valve to see no spurting of fluid (just a few bubbles) / still a stuck calliper . After this I pulled out the top and bottom Sliding pins (is that what they're called?) and it freed it off about 80%. The condition of these Pins looked pretty good so I stuck em back in and all seems good except i'm still getting some dragging on the pads. When I jacked up my Escort the wheel was silent but, on the Capri it sounds rough and spins about 1.5 - 2 times round. Not sure if this will change when it finely gets back out on the road or not. The good thing is its not sticking anymore and I guess i need to see how It goes on now. Rebuld kits don't seem to expensive but if I don't have to do it...  This is the calliper and Pads when not under any load.  Next up is the Timing and Carb. I want to get this baby running right now. |
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I don't think that will be a problem, if it's been infrequently used the pads stick in the caliper and the pins corrode like yours have, it's worth taking the pads out, cleaning up the caliper and pins then re-assembling with a light coat of copper ease on the sliding surfaces.
As you say the M16 calipers are cheap enough, the repair kits look appealing but bear in mind more often than not you will also need new pistons at which point around £110 for a pair of re-manufactured ones starts to look appealing.
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As Kevin has said remove the pad retaining pins, the ones in the bottom pic held in with r clips. You can then get the pads out and clean the heel of the pad and the face of the calliper where the pad sits. Bit of light emery/sandpaper/ wire brush, whatever you have to hand and clean the pins the same. Light lick of copaslip on the pins and heels of pads and back in.
If you wanted you could remove one pad and replace with a piece of wood slightly narrower than the pad and ease the piston out a little with the brake pedal and if needed clean this too. Scotchbrite or even a green washing up scrub and a bit of wd40 or similar.
Don’t go mad pushing on pedal and make sure piece of wood stays put because you don’t want to push the piston fully out of the caliper. You just want 3 or 4mm of it out to clean. Small brass brush also ideal. Don’t use anything too abrasive.
Just to add, you’ll have to use a tire lever or similar to push piston back in after cleaning. If struggling crack bleed slightly. Clean face of piston where pad sits and back of pad and a light luck of copaslip.
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Right, So I had a quick look at these pads. I started out on the drivers side as i guessed it would be easier. Took a while but, the pads and plates came out covered in muck. I cleaned all this up and gave it a spin pre Pads just to make sure i'm not hearing bearings or something... all good on that front. (same on the other side too) I am starting to wonder if these pistons are too far out to start with AND It looks like i'm missing retaining clips here too? I copper slipped these up, slid it back in, pressed the brakes and they were solid!  I cracked the Bleed nipple , wriggled everything a bit and the hub was able to spin a bit then. I went round the passenger side and that was solid too. Started taking the pads out and the outer side of the calliper was a nightmare!! eventually after some cracking of bleed nipples it did free but of course ... it wont go back in. I'm guessing I have air in the callipers or they need rebuilding... the only thing is it could drive before this and now it wouldnt be able to so something has changed. It did pull to the left but it could have been the dodgy rear suspension. Next I'm probably going to crack the bleeder valve and try my hardest to push back the pistons. I just need a suitable implement and more time... ran out this morning so came inside to show my findings. In other news i've sent the V5 off to register this Historic! Divers Side   Passenger Side   |
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Right, So I had a quick look at these pads. I started out on the drivers side as i guessed it would be easier. Took a while but, the pads and plates came out covered in muck. I cleaned all this up and gave it a spin pre Pads just to make sure i'm not hearing bearings or something... all good on that front. (same on the other side too) I am starting to wonder if these pistons are too far out to start with AND It looks like i'm missing retaining clips here too? I copper slipped these up, slid it back in, pressed the brakes and they were solid! I cracked the Bleed nipple , wriggled everything a bit and the hub was able to spin a bit then. I went round the passenger side and that was solid too. Started taking the pads out and the outer side of the calliper was a nightmare!! eventually after some cracking of bleed nipples it did free but of course ... it wont go back in. I'm guessing I have air in the callipers or they need rebuilding... the only thing is it could drive before this and now it wouldnt be able to so something has changed. It did pull to the left but it could have been the dodgy rear suspension. Next I'm probably going to crack the bleeder valve and try my hardest to push back the pistons. I just need a suitable implement and more time... ran out this morning so came inside to show my findings. In other news i've sent the V5 off to register this Historic! Divers Side Passenger Side On the second to last and the last photo it looks.like you have got the brake pad the wrong way around |
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Right, So I had a quick look at these pads. I started out on the drivers side as i guessed it would be easier. Took a while but, the pads and plates came out covered in muck. I cleaned all this up and gave it a spin pre Pads just to make sure i'm not hearing bearings or something... all good on that front. (same on the other side too) I am starting to wonder if these pistons are too far out to start with AND It looks like i'm missing retaining clips here too? I copper slipped these up, slid it back in, pressed the brakes and they were solid! I cracked the Bleed nipple , wriggled everything a bit and the hub was able to spin a bit then. I went round the passenger side and that was solid too. Started taking the pads out and the outer side of the calliper was a nightmare!! eventually after some cracking of bleed nipples it did free but of course ... it wont go back in. I'm guessing I have air in the callipers or they need rebuilding... the only thing is it could drive before this and now it wouldnt be able to so something has changed. It did pull to the left but it could have been the dodgy rear suspension. Next I'm probably going to crack the bleeder valve and try my hardest to push back the pistons. I just need a suitable implement and more time... ran out this morning so came inside to show my findings. In other news i've sent the V5 off to register this Historic! Divers Side Passenger Side On the second to last and the last photo it looks.like you have got the brake pad the wrong way around Haha your right!! I was coming to the end of my time on it and just stuck it back in not thinking. Hoping to get some more time tomorrow on this. |
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Never go cheap on brakes ...
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Apr 12, 2020 15:02:40 GMT
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Those pistons are very pitted. I would be inclined to grab a pair of recon calipers for that.
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Its difficult to tell from photos sometimes its pitting sometimes its on the surface, give them a going over with fine wet and dry plus lubricated with some oil and see what they come up like, there were 2 suppliers of m16 calilers, Teves and Girling, this might be the diffrence.
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Little Update: Last week these turned up from Rally Design . Not a bad deal as it came with everything except the Pads which are good on mine anyway.  I fitted them last week but had to wait for my girlfriend to be free to help me bleed it. I wasn't having tons of joy on my own. They seem a lot better than the old one although still grabbing a bit and the rear wheels seem pretty stuck on now. I'm going to try and bleed them all again tomorrow from the rear, just hoping theres nothing odd with the servo or anything. I'm running out of brake fluid again    |
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Very nice! And a wise decision going for new calipers. Give it one last bleed then take it out for a test run to free off those rear brakes.
This is one of my favorite threads on here because I like how you just get stuck in. Keep it up!
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Very nice! And a wise decision going for new calipers. Give it one last bleed then take it out for a test run to free off those rear brakes. This is one of my favorite threads on here because I like how you just get stuck in. Keep it up! Cheers mate! I do like to try and get stuck in haha. Until work picks up theres no way it can see a garage anyway. I need to get it running properly next and unfortunately its still registered as Sorn. Hoping that historic tax comes back to me soon. Any tips for getting this started after its been stood for a few months. I cleaned the plugs up the other week and they were all black! one was a bit wet with fuel worryingly , all i've done its cranked it over and driven it round the block though for about a year lol I thought about trying to crank it with the dizzy cap lead off to get some fuel into the filter. I keep seeing this on Car vids so guess it would be useful here. I also want to check the timing is right as it seems something is off with the carb or timing. |
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Very nice! And a wise decision going for new calipers. Give it one last bleed then take it out for a test run to free off those rear brakes. This is one of my favorite threads on here because I like how you just get stuck in. Keep it up! Cheers mate! I do like to try and get stuck in haha. Until work picks up theres no way it can see a garage anyway. I need to get it running properly next and unfortunately its still registered as Sorn. Hoping that historic tax comes back to me soon. Any tips for getting this started after its been stood for a few months. I cleaned the plugs up the other week and they were all black! one was a bit wet with fuel worryingly , all i've done its cranked it over and driven it round the block though for about a year lol I thought about trying to crank it with the dizzy cap lead off to get some fuel into the filter. I keep seeing this on Car vids so guess it would be useful here. I also want to check the timing is right as it seems something is off with the carb or timing. Cranking with the king lead off is normally to build up oil pressure without the car starting. If it's been stood so long it doesn't harm to get a bit of oil pressure. When you reconnect it pump the accelerator pedal twice before starting and then start with full choke and full accelerator. If that doesn't work easy start/brake cleaner is your friend! |
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Brill will be doing that! I checked it all over again before lowering it to the ground. I'm in the process of going over all the bolts with the torque wrench so, its sat on too bits of railway sleeper untill i've finished the suspension settings Possibly starting a job delivering tomorrow which if I get it/take it should pay for a few little bits. The Escort seemed to be getting overly hot before... will be updating in that thread . |
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I cracked the Bleed nipple , wriggled everything a bit and the hub was able to spin a bit then.
