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You'd still need to park your car in some sort of docking bay that would be connected to your house electric supply. Who says you need to park a car to charge it? Think of induction charging on motorways; cars wouldn't even need that many batteries as they could take the direct demand directly from the road. They would only need storage for when they drive on smaller roads or in cities, where induction charging on private drives and public car parks could supplement. That same motorway can also be used to generate electricity at the same time as supplying it. Maybe hard to imagine at the moment, perhaps reality in a decade or two.
For the nearby future: why would you need to charge a car from your house supply? Many work and public car parks already have bays with chargers for electric vehicles, I don't see why this could not be rolled out on a bigger scale when demand rises. Same for on-street parking bays.
Ah yes, those same road that they can't afford to fix potholes on are all going to be dug up and replaced with induction charging roads. Some bigger companies may offer charging points, but the vast majority of work places don't. Would these be forced to cover the cost of fitting charging facilities? One for every single one of their employees and visitors all because these people don't have a charging facilities at home? Who's going to cover the cost of converting every space in a public car park into a charging point? Because although some public car parks around here do have charging points, they are only a tiny percentage of the spaces available. It's a lovely thought that this might be possible, but it's little more than fantasy. On a small scale with a tiny minority of cars being EV it's perfectly manageable, but the cost of the government implementing all of these things makes it totally unrealistic, especially as in this alternate reality the government would be loosing vast sums of money on all of the tax they no longer make on petrol and diesel sales. Hydrogen on the other hand would take very little government money to implement and no doubt they would still get their greedy mits on tax from hydrogen sales. Private companies are pushing forward the advancement of hydrogen as a vehicle fuel source and it would need no change to any of our public infrastructure, roads, car parks ect, or even the habits of car owners. Fuel up, drive till you need more and fuel up again. As hydrogen becomes more and more of a viable fuel source, the need for the government to look at takeing on any expensive projects like digging up roads and fitting out car parks with more charging facilities will become pointless.
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I don’t care, why would you? It is what it is, even the youngest members on here will be long gone before anything will be even close to being figured & then they will just tell you what they want you to hear. Fooook them all, let’s have massive V8’s
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Roads?? Where we’re going we don’t need roads
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Roads?? Where we’re going we don’t need roads That’s ironic, whilst I was typing my post above you posted this. I actually own a Delorean & no it does not time travel
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melle
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It's a lovely thought that this might be possible, but it's little more than fantasy. Many things that were little more than a fantasy twenty years ago, are reality now. Apart from that, the technology for charging on the move and harvesting energy from roads (solar, friction, temperature difference, thermal energy etc.) is there, albeit not ready for mass application at the moment.
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Even though some of the tech is interesting, I don’t think EVs are the answer to our personal transportation problems. On a small scale where it’s just the odd ‘weirdo’ who has them due to them living in a very specific place, commuting in a very specific way, where the existing limited infrastructure is convenient for them, and the financial breaks stack up in their favour, then yes they can work. But as soon as the demand on the infrastructure grows, the journeys don’t fit the correct pattern, or the financial breaks are reduced or disappear all together (which they will, it’s not sustainable for them not to) the whole thing falls apart.
But realistically, the whole thing is being organised by governments, whos strings are pulled by multinational corporations, so nothing will happen with the ‘new’ system whilst they still have some of the ‘old’ system left to sell you. I’m otjer words, don’t expect anything really serious to happen until fossil fuels are pretty much gone.
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You'd still need to park your car in some sort of docking bay that would be connected to your house electric supply. Who says you need to park a car to charge it? Think of induction charging on motorways; cars wouldn't even need that many batteries as they could take the direct demand directly from the road. They would only need storage for when they drive on smaller roads or in cities, where induction charging on private drives and public car parks could supplement. That same motorway can also be used to generate electricity at the same time as supplying it. Maybe hard to imagine at the moment, perhaps reality in a decade or two.
For the nearby future: why would you need to charge a car from your house supply? Many work and public car parks already have bays with chargers for electric vehicles, I don't see why this could not be rolled out on a bigger scale when demand rises. Same for on-street parking bays.
Induction charging is horribly inefficient, wireless chargning for your phone maxes out at 80% efficiency (and I think thats high). Considering the height of a modern car to jump power over that gap at any rate that will charge and the sheer size of the loop you would lose most of the power. To run induction charging on the length of a road would use so much copper and likely cause massive environmental damage. Your choices will be overhead or scalectrix style tracks.
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melle
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Yes, those are other possibilities; I was only trying to make a point that charging a car on a wire from a home supply is not the only option. By the way, burning fuel isn't very efficient either...
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I would consider an EV when the price is reduced and easier charging is achievable nationwide, I fear that is still quite a way into the future. When I was a kid over 50yrs ago, Tomorrows World told us we would go to work using jetpacks, I'm now retired but I still dream of my long range jetpack, probably setting fire to my trousers, (and what happened to my hover boots, ya lying chancers!)
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It's a lovely thought that this might be possible, but it's little more than fantasy. Many things that were little more than a fantasy twenty years ago, are reality now. Apart from that, the technology for charging on the move and harvesting energy from roads (solar, friction, temperature difference, thermal energy etc.) is there, albeit not ready for mass application at the moment. ... and many more things that people once thought were fantasy are still just that. The technology to power cars on hydrogen is there, and already being used to power cars. As soon as it becomes mainstream EV's as we currently know them will become obsolete. That's not to say they haven't served a purpose. They have shown us that it is possible to use a non fossil fueled car as a daily (albit it only for people in a very specific situation). They were never going to be anything but a stepping stone. By the time there has been enough technical breakthroughs to make them viable to the masses, they will already be obsolete. Even if the technology was here and ready now to turn all major roads into inductive charging systems, it wouldn't be put into place because the astronomical costs involved in implementing it just couldn't be met by the government. And that is at a time when the government are raking in mountains of cash from the sale of fossil fuels. Imagine how much tighter the budgets would be if they had lost that cash cow.
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melle
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... and many more things that people once thought were fantasy are still just that. Then they've either not tried it (hard enough), they're still working on it or they found a better solution along the way.
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... and many more things that people once thought were fantasy are still just that. Then they've either not tried it (hard enough), they're still working on it or they found a better solution along the way. A better solution like hydrogen for example
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melle
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Perhaps, yes. As much as I love (working on) internal combustion engines, I really don't care what powers the vehicles of the future and I'm not advocating any specific technology, as long as it's a bit cleaner and healthier than burning fuel.
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The move to EV's is here...but have you seen this, this firm has Bill Gates as one of it's investors and will allegedly create clean fuel for all of us dinosaur juice burners :-)
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EV - currently these are owned generally by enthusiasts and wealthy early adopters (see Tesla).
Hybrid - currently, these seem to be owned by a mix of 'ordinary' motorists and company fleets.
Petrol/Diesel - owned by the majority of folks.
Look at history and transport. Until very recently, personal transport has always been a luxury. So while folks are bemoaning the cost of EV, the impracticality of EV, it's not a new moan. Replace EV with horse, or steam car, or early petrol car, it's just the same.
Some of us can afford EV and Hybrid now, some of us can't. Some of us persist with our antiques for whatever reason, some of us don't. The change in fuel sources isn't only coming, it's already happened, at the moment we're in a transitional period where we test available technologies to see which proves most suitable.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see cities become EV zones while combustion engines continue to be in regular use in lower populated areas and hybrids fill the gaps between the two.
The biggest argument against EV does seem to be the time to charge it up. The argument isn't so much that this is impractical, it's more that owners don't want to change their habits. If you really want to run an EV then you change your habits, you make the effort, you plan ahead, just as you would with any other new thing. There are pitfalls with EVs and charging, as previously mentioned in the thread, that's just because the infrastructure isn't in place fully, though it is improving.
It's a good thing some folks are adopting this new technology so we can explore its possibilities and limitations. It's a good thing we're interested in trying to find ways to reduce pollution and improve air quality and while it's not a perfect solution, at least we're trying. It's quite an interesting time to be involved in personal transport, exciting possibly in retrospect, we just haven't realised it yet. We barely realised what a Pandora's Box the internet was in the 90s until we cracked that thing wide open and now look where we are.
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As usual I fear that the ones who cannot afford the new tech, are the ones that are going to feel the cost. - More people buy EV's - demand for electricity goes up, so the costs goes up (driving up household bills, even if you don't have an EV).
- 'Dirty' old cars will be taxed more heavily as an incentive to get them off the road and replace lost tax revenues, so road tax/fuel duty will be increased for petrol/diesel vehicles
- By the time REALLY cheap 2nd hand ones are available, tax incentives for EV's will have evaporated
loose, loose for the non-early adopters. However, I am looking forward to electric motorbikes/scooters becoming commonplace - seems to make perfect sense as a commuter vehicle: - Ride to work (filter through the ever increasing traffic)
- Park in one of those nicely covered cycles lock things that seem to adorn everywhere
- Eject the battery and stick it on your desktop charger until you are ready to go home!
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If I could buy an electric car that could survive my daily duties for £750 and still have it over a 100k later with basic wear and tear and still enjoy driving / owning it I would get one However my conccious would get the better of me for the damage to the planet in making the dam thing and then disposing of it as anything electrical has a very short life span
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As usual I fear that the ones who cannot afford the new tech, are the ones that are going to feel the cost. - More people buy EV's - demand for electricity goes up, so the costs goes up (driving up household bills, even if you don't have an EV).
- 'Dirty' old cars will be taxed more heavily as an incentive to get them off the road and replace lost tax revenues, so road tax/fuel duty will be increased for petrol/diesel vehicles
- By the time REALLY cheap 2nd hand ones are available, tax incentives for EV's will have evaporated
loose, loose for the non-early adopters. However, I am looking forward to electric motorbikes/scooters becoming commonplace - seems to make perfect sense as a commuter vehicle: - Ride to work (filter through the ever increasing traffic)
- Park in one of those nicely covered cycles lock things that seem to adorn everywhere
- Eject the battery and stick it on your desktop charger until you are ready to go home!
I mentioned a similar thing on another thread on here some time ago. Particularly for bikes & scooters, you pull up at a petrol station/shop/ garage whatever & they have banks of batteries on charge, ready to go. You hand over dosh, give them your battery (which they obviously charge) you take a fresh one & get on your way
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That would be almost ideal for the small electric motorcycles you mention which if widely adopted, and I see no reason not to do so in a low speed inner city environment, would drastically reduce traffic congestion thereby benefitting everybody. If I was forced to live in the city I'd be very likely to daily a scooter purely for ease of parking and getting through gaps a car can't.
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tax incentives for EV's will have evaporated they have started already.
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