Darkspeed
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Nov 28, 2018 22:38:00 GMT
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Have a look into UK tidal energy production - It may surprise you - Same with deep geothermal. As well as projects into hydrogen production for injection into the national gas grid - we have biogas production at sewage plants and food waste processing using gas engines to feed the grid as well as the old landfill sites running gas engines for electricity production. For the non renewable projects we have coal face gasification processes Drax is also seeing a potential money maker with the shortage of CO2 that we had this year and are investing in a CO2 capture program for the biomass that they burn. The volatility in the global energy markets and the greater reliance on countries like Russia for energy has had our country investing heavily to try and make it self reliant for energy production. The next key element is large scale electrical energy storage its happening and Tesla - lets have at least a tenuous link - is really pushing that along. Autonomous electric driverless cars - insurance legislation for this has already been passed - and transport on demand is on its way with car ownership in metropolitan areas being expected to fall significantly in the next couple of decades. Me I'm just looking for a place in the woods to set up my ethanol still - My last company car was a Lexus 300h - Tax was too much so I now use my own diesel! but I will be going hybrid petrol again in a couple of years. I am completely sold on the idea of electric cars for transportation but for fun I do like flames from a tailpipe.
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sonus
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Nov 29, 2018 12:25:38 GMT
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Here in Norway there are almost 180.000 electric cars. Almost 30% of all new cars sold in 2018 are fully electric, with another 30% being hybrids. Petrol cars take up 23.5% market share and diesel have been dropping like a stone from 70% to only 17.5%.
With so many cars with large batteries running around we should be scared based on that video, but I have heard of zero battery fires here in Norway. There might have been one or two, but then the mass media would have written about it in large capital letters and they haven't.
Some one has done something they shouldn't have done due to incompetence and or stupidity in that video.
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Darkspeed
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Nov 29, 2018 13:27:35 GMT
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Here in Norway there are almost 180.000 electric cars. Almost 30% of all new cars sold in 2018 are fully electric, with another 30% being hybrids. Petrol cars take up 23.5% market share and diesel have been dropping like a stone from 70% to only 17.5%. With so many cars with large batteries running around we should be scared based on that video, but I have heard of zero battery fires here in Norway. There might have been one or two, but then the mass media would have written about it in large capital letters and they haven't. Some one has done something they shouldn't have done due to incompetence and or stupidity in that video. Thanks sonus first hand information as to how the EV market is progressing in countries like Norway is really useful as its the sort of model that will be used going forward in most economies as their own. We have around 180K of plugins (pure EV and hybrid) on the UK roads with sales increasing all the time - as we have far more congestion and opportunity for accidents than Norway plus an absolutely rabid press they do seem to be quite a safe option.
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Rob M
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Nov 29, 2018 13:45:56 GMT
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I have absolutely no issues with modern electric cars whatsoever, hey, I may even buy one some day, once they have a PROPER travel range and/or there is a technological advancement which enables me to recharge in the same way and speed that I fill up my current cars with fuel. Until then..... In saying all of that, my embracing of modern/future technology has more to do with the reality that 96.2% of modern stuff is utterly soulless, albeit super efficient and capable beyond the abilities of their drivers. I am very clear that, while I am happy to welcome an electric car onto my driveway, I will have absolutely no attachment to it whatsoever and that my passion for four wheels will be sated by vehicles that were not designed to all look like every other car made and are powered by internal combustion engines that emit chatters, whines, rumbles and make you believe that you are the pilot of the beast and not its neutered passenger. I'm actually glad that I am hurtling towards buss pass territory, I cannot think of anything worse that driving soulless machines ( unless they drive you ) on a soulless, joyless planet where we will all, one day live to 150 but living it will feel like 350. My grandchildren are here to inherit the Earth, just as we did from ours, our time here really is brief, I intend to enjoy it while I still am able to, that means my V8 will keep on rumbling until either it, me or the 'Green Police' decide that enough is enough. Lets keep it fun, eh?
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Last Edit: Nov 29, 2018 13:46:28 GMT by Rob M
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Nov 29, 2018 14:18:50 GMT
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I'd be quite happy for my future electric car to sound like the Envision, or the Geox
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Last Edit: Nov 29, 2018 14:22:31 GMT by Soopahfly
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Rob M
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Nov 29, 2018 15:48:07 GMT
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I'd be quite happy for my future electric car to sound like the Envision, or the Geox Yep, can't wait to own a car that sounds like a tom cat having its b*ll**ks pulled out with a pair of pliers!😊
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Nov 29, 2018 16:32:29 GMT
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AMEN Zeb exactly my thoughts
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kenb
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Nov 29, 2018 19:05:48 GMT
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Zeb summed it up nicely I thought. Thankfully I'm of an age where i think I'll manage to avoid owning and driving a full electric car. Moderns really don't do anything for me other than they are a generally reliable method of getting from A to B. We're still a long way from having the infrastructure for full electric and the self driving cars especially out here in the sticks, and we're always last to get this kind of stuff. So hopefully I can run my traditional classics until I can no longer physically drive, stop breathing or they ban them. Its the youngsters who will embrace this new electric technology for sure.
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Nov 29, 2018 20:11:11 GMT
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I'd be quite happy for my future electric car to sound like the Envision, or the Geox Yep, can't wait to own a car that sounds like a tom cat having its b*ll**ks pulled out with a pair of pliers!😊 Is this a good time to tell the joke about the boy with the dog and the ride-along fire engine?
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sonus
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Here in Norway there are almost 180.000 electric cars. Almost 30% of all new cars sold in 2018 are fully electric, with another 30% being hybrids. Petrol cars take up 23.5% market share and diesel have been dropping like a stone from 70% to only 17.5%. With so many cars with large batteries running around we should be scared based on that video, but I have heard of zero battery fires here in Norway. There might have been one or two, but then the mass media would have written about it in large capital letters and they haven't. Some one has done something they shouldn't have done due to incompetence and or stupidity in that video. Thanks sonus first hand information as to how the EV market is progressing in countries like Norway is really useful as its the sort of model that will be used going forward in most economies as their own. We have around 180K of plugins (pure EV and hybrid) on the UK roads with sales increasing all the time - as we have far more congestion and opportunity for accidents than Norway plus an absolutely rabid press they do seem to be quite a safe option. I bit of a back drop to the situation in Norway might be good as well In Norway the tax rate for cars is very high. These are based on CO2 and NOX-emission. Cars below 50gr CO2/km are taxed a lot less than cars above. Cars above 150gr CO2/km are heavily taxed. Electric cars are TAX free and the government has even removed VAT on purchase of Electric Vehicles. This makes EVs very affordable. A Tesla Modell X 75D has a lower starting price than a BMW 530D X-drive. A VW E-golf has a starting price similar to a Golf Highline 1.0T, but with much more kit. Due to the very high tax rates on cars the government has had a tool to change the buyer behaviour towards low emission vehicles by making them a lot cheaper than higher polluting vehicles. This will be very difficult in other countries where there is little or no tax to remove as an incentive to buy emission free cars. (Yes I use the term emission free based on use only, not production) EDIT: In addition electric power in Norway is made by 98% renewable sources (146TWh). Unfortunately we export a lot of this to Europe and import dirty power from the EU when in fact the 146TWh would cover all power consumption in Norway which is 134TWh.
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Last Edit: Nov 30, 2018 8:34:59 GMT by sonus
Current 1968 TVR VIXEN S1 V8 Prototype 2004 TVR T350C 2017 BMW 340i
Previous BMW 325d E91LCI - sold Alfa Romeo GTV - sold Citroen AX GT - at the breakers Ford Puma 1.7 - sold Volvo V50 2.0d - sold MGB GT - wrecked by fire MG ZT 1.8T - sold VW E-golf Electric - sold Mini Countryman 1.6D -sold Land Rover Discovery TD5 - sold
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MiataMark
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Renewable is the way forward but it does need to be stored somewhere for when it's not sunny, windy etc. So battery technology needs to improve, or things like the hydro-plant in Wales where they pump the water up in off-peak times and let it flow when they need more power. It's a pity that things like the Severn tidal barrage got canned.
Micro-generation would be a good thing, solar on houses/offices small water turbines etc.
When I did my degree in Coventry (Lanchester Polytechnic as it was then) in the late '70's they were working on tidal power generation then. Personally I don't now why you can't have a tower in the sea that has a tank at the top and a turbine at the bottom, tide comes in fills tank, when you want power let the water out.
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I have absolutely no issues with modern electric cars whatsoever, hey, I may even buy one some day, once they have a PROPER travel range and/or there is a technological advancement which enables me to recharge in the same way and speed that I fill up my current cars with fuel. Until then..... In saying all of that, my embracing of modern/future technology has more to do with the reality that 96.2% of modern stuff is utterly soulless, albeit super efficient and capable beyond the abilities of their drivers. I am very clear that, while I am happy to welcome an electric car onto my driveway, I will have absolutely no attachment to it whatsoever and that my passion for four wheels will be sated by vehicles that were not designed to all look like every other car made and are powered by internal combustion engines that emit chatters, whines, rumbles and make you believe that you are the pilot of the beast and not its neutered passenger. I'm actually glad that I am hurtling towards buss pass territory, I cannot think of anything worse that driving soulless machines ( unless they drive you ) on a soulless, joyless planet where we will all, one day live to 150 but living it will feel like 350. My grandchildren are here to inherit the Earth, just as we did from ours, our time here really is brief, I intend to enjoy it while I still am able to, that means my V8 will keep on rumbling until either it, me or the 'Green Police' decide that enough is enough. Lets keep it fun, eh? what do you call a PROPER travel range?
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as predictable as the tides are, they don't follow the tide of demand!
certainly does have a place though, its a huge amount of energy thats untapped and relentless, and we have so much of it on this island!
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Nov 30, 2018 12:18:27 GMT
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Because petrol has never caught fire. Imagine if petrol was dropped because it was dangerous.
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Badger
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Nov 30, 2018 12:20:11 GMT
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the power has to come from somewhere, and wind and solar power is only a tiny part of where the electricity comes from. Mostly it's gas, nuclear and to a lesser extent, coal, none of which are particularly kind to the environment. Just as a follow on to this, the IMechE did a study a little while back that showed that electric cars are overall more efficient regarding co2 released vs miles driven, even using conventional electricity generation. It basically comes down to the fact large power plants are much more efficient than smaller ICE's, and the edge this gives tend to be only eroded, not lost, by electrical transmission losses and the efficiency of the electric vehicle itself. Personally I'm very much in favour of electric vehicles, and to a certain extent autonomous ones, provided I can still have my ICE fun cars.
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melle
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Nov 30, 2018 13:18:19 GMT
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In saying all of that, my embracing of modern/future technology has more to do with the reality that 96.2% of modern stuff is utterly soulless, albeit super efficient and capable beyond the abilities of their drivers. Moderns really don't do anything for me other than they are a generally reliable method of getting from A to B. That's what uncle Joe said in 1973. And his dad in 1951. And granddad in 1928...
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Nov 30, 2018 13:48:30 GMT
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I have absolutely no issues with modern electric cars whatsoever, hey, I may even buy one some day, once they have a PROPER travel range and/or there is a technological advancement which enables me to recharge in the same way and speed that I fill up my current cars with fuel. Until then..... In saying all of that, my embracing of modern/future technology has more to do with the reality that 96.2% of modern stuff is utterly soulless, albeit super efficient and capable beyond the abilities of their drivers. I am very clear that, while I am happy to welcome an electric car onto my driveway, I will have absolutely no attachment to it whatsoever and that my passion for four wheels will be sated by vehicles that were not designed to all look like every other car made and are powered by internal combustion engines that emit chatters, whines, rumbles and make you believe that you are the pilot of the beast and not its neutered passenger. I'm actually glad that I am hurtling towards buss pass territory, I cannot think of anything worse that driving soulless machines ( unless they drive you ) on a soulless, joyless planet where we will all, one day live to 150 but living it will feel like 350. My grandchildren are here to inherit the Earth, just as we did from ours, our time here really is brief, I intend to enjoy it while I still am able to, that means my V8 will keep on rumbling until either it, me or the 'Green Police' decide that enough is enough. Lets keep it fun, eh?
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Rob M
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Nov 30, 2018 15:08:54 GMT
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I have absolutely no issues with modern electric cars whatsoever, hey, I may even buy one some day, once they have a PROPER travel range and/or there is a technological advancement which enables me to recharge in the same way and speed that I fill up my current cars with fuel. Until then..... In saying all of that, my embracing of modern/future technology has more to do with the reality that 96.2% of modern stuff is utterly soulless, albeit super efficient and capable beyond the abilities of their drivers. I am very clear that, while I am happy to welcome an electric car onto my driveway, I will have absolutely no attachment to it whatsoever and that my passion for four wheels will be sated by vehicles that were not designed to all look like every other car made and are powered by internal combustion engines that emit chatters, whines, rumbles and make you believe that you are the pilot of the beast and not its neutered passenger. I'm actually glad that I am hurtling towards buss pass territory, I cannot think of anything worse that driving soulless machines ( unless they drive you ) on a soulless, joyless planet where we will all, one day live to 150 but living it will feel like 350. My grandchildren are here to inherit the Earth, just as we did from ours, our time here really is brief, I intend to enjoy it while I still am able to, that means my V8 will keep on rumbling until either it, me or the 'Green Police' decide that enough is enough. Lets keep it fun, eh? Well I cannot say I did a sex wee after seeing that. Yes, it is a very competent car, it will fit the bill for a whole plethora of families out there and it is, compared to a multitude of other alternatives, well priced for what it offers. Game changer? I'm not too sure about that. Essentially, to get a 300 odd mile range, you have to pay out for the most expensive model, that is out of reach for many families. The range, in the real world' may not be 300 miles, my right boot would probably put pay to that!! The length of time to charge is a joke, seriously, that is the fundamental issue with all electric cars. All electric car ownership requires planning in a way that jumping into a petrol or derv doesn't. You asked me previously about what I considered to be a proper range. In my mind it would be 400 miles plus with mixed driving. Not too outrageous really and technology will soon see that become a reality. In context, when I started out as a BT engineer over 30 years ago we still had dial phones and the internet was just fantasy. Now we have fibre optic and the WWW. Things change at a fantastic pace, the fully electric car revolution will demonstrate that and is demonstrating that BUT at the moment they are too expensive for the average motorist, their range is less than many petrol and diesel vehicles and they take too long to charge, unless you pre plan the process. That Kona would interest me as a daily, it ticks many boxes but, for now, I will give it 5 years or so, by then who knows what will be available? The biggest problem with all electric cars is the possibility that, around the corner, is forthcoming technology that could render such vehicles obsolete. I mean, what if some company came up with a chemical tablet that you dropped into your fuel tank to make your petrol or derv zero emissions? Could happen.
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Rob M
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Nov 30, 2018 18:41:36 GMT
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In saying all of that, my embracing of modern/future technology has more to do with the reality that 96.2% of modern stuff is utterly soulless, albeit super efficient and capable beyond the abilities of their drivers. Moderns really don't do anything for me other than they are a generally reliable method of getting from A to B. That's what uncle Joe said in 1973. And his dad in 1951. And granddad in 1928... That is a very simplistic point of view. In 1928 Grandad needed to be pretty wealthy to own a car, car ownership was sparse and only the privileged few could afford one. In 1951 we still had rationing and it was 'export or die' for the UK, IF you could actually afford a car you would have been on a waiting list as overseas markets took priority. In 1973 Uncle Joe would have had a pretty good job to go out, shove a deposit on a MK3 Cortina and pay it off on HP as there was no such thing as a low deposit, low payments over 3 or 4 years and an option to buy, swap it for another new one or walk away. In all previous decades, up until the first manufacturer here offered PCP deals and similar, people who bought new cars either had to be higher up the food chain in the wage structure or save like mad to get on the new car ladder. In all aforementioned scenarios, Uncle, his dad and his grandad would have been bloody lucky to be the few that could walk into a car showroom and drive out in a sparkly new car. They would have hardly considered their new steeds to be modern soulless stuff. I got on the new car ladder via a PCP in 2000, if I had to buy one now on the old HP system I would not bother. It has propped up the motor industry here for decades. Easy come, easy go finance, cheap low deposits and low repayments have allowed more of us, many more of us, to drive new cars. Its why a shop worker can own a new car on a modest salary and why the a**e dropped out of the second hand car market ( older than three years old ) many moons ago. It is what it is, we have become blasé to new cars. It's why I own retros.
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Last Edit: Nov 30, 2018 18:42:14 GMT by Rob M
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Nov 30, 2018 18:54:40 GMT
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my daily is 27yrs old. my mrs car is 7yrs old, newest motor we have ever owned.
no way can we afford a new ev motor. would love to have one though, just no where to charge it at night,
i'm guessing most will be in that position. cables everywhere!!!!
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