Darkspeed
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1970 Ginetta G15 Darkspeed
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Nov 16, 2019 21:58:27 GMT
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Back working on the G15 today doing a few little jobs before it gets dropped back on the chassis and tucked away until spring. Nothing really exciting, just put the shell back on the rotisserie and then made another inner rear wheel arch panel in Black Gel completing the pair for BOY. Just one more of those in Grey gel finish to do for KBW and that is all those done, it is likely that will be completed on Wednesday. The plan is to get another layer of 300gm on the rear bulkhead and a strengthening strip into the roof between the A pillar joins prior to sealing it up for winter. Itchy had had run a couple of tests with coremat during the week and it looks like a strip or 2 of 2mm core will do fine job of providing additional stiffness between the A pillars. N/S Wheel arch protector Its all progress. Oh - We drank plenty of tea and gave the Compressor an oil change as well.
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Last Edit: Nov 16, 2019 22:03:48 GMT by Darkspeed
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Darkspeed
Club Retro Rides Member
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Club RR Member Number: 39
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1970 Ginetta G15 Darkspeed
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Club Retro Rides Member 39
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Nov 30, 2019 21:31:17 GMT
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Too cold for doing any GF work today so further works on the body are probably going on hold now until the spring. Work will not come to a complete stop on the project as I will probably carry out further chassis mods that I have planned during the Winter as some of those mods will result in small modifications to the body being needed. Doing this work has also uncovered some interesting differences between the early and late cars. Some of the differences are well documented as they are obvious visually like the windows and lights but there are a quite a few more differences that had us puzzling. The latest of these is with the step under the sills. In this image you can see that there is good taper from front to back - and in the floor moulding you can see quite a lot evidence of changes to the mould. It is as if Ginetta raised the back of the body in relation to the floor. On the later cars Like PHX - we find that there is no taper - and I suspect that they raised the front of the cars - I am going to measure the distance from the floor to the dash rail to see if there is any difference. Early Series 3 that I did a lot of work on had the taper KBW has no taper as can be seen by the large step visible. And as SLC sits between KBW and PHX it's safe to assume that this also has no taper to that step. So what about our very early car #13 Same as mine - a large taper. Only slightly interesting for G15 buffs but there you go.
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Last Edit: Dec 1, 2019 9:29:50 GMT by Darkspeed
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Darkspeed
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Club RR Member Number: 39
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1970 Ginetta G15 Darkspeed
@darkspeed
Club Retro Rides Member 39
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After a full day yesterday sweeping up leaves tidying around the garden and then doing an Oil- Oil/Air/Fuel filter service on the L200 in the freezing temps I thought that today I would do a bit of warmer work the G's. The wishbones on KBW have been sitting about for a good few weeks whilst the fibre work on BOY has been going on so I figured that wrapping up warm and doing a bit of welding would get them finished and out of the workshop back to their owner. So - I gave the wishbones a quick brush over with the wire cups in the angle grinder to brighten up the steel and cut some strips suitable for wrapping around the mounting bushes and started welding. Going well enough Right up until the point where the wire ran out. - I did have a full reel of 0.6mm but its going so well with the 0.8mm I did not fancy having to mess about finding the new settings plus changing rollers and tips - better to call it a day and pick up a new roll of 0.8 wire tomorrow. After that drawback I trotted down the garden and found the rope for the GF work around the door etc. on BOY
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Last Edit: Dec 1, 2019 17:14:38 GMT by Darkspeed
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So... The rope just creates a void in the fibre? Or does the resin soak into the rope and it directly adds strength? While I'm asking silly questions. Those three piece moulds for the light housings... How do you gel and glass the inside of a mould?
I think this is my first post on here and I'm asking questions. Sorry! Great thread, keep it up!
James
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James, I was going to ask EXACTLY the same question about the rope. (PS, I popped over to GB for a few days over the American Thanksgiving Holiday to see my M&D, and got to sneak in a day at Brooklands. Been 15 years since I was last there but I mention it here because the London Bus Museum was superb, and I read mention in one of their displays about Weymann bodies on buses. Wouldn't have meant diddly to me before reading your thread.)
Sorry for the diversion. Best, John
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Darkspeed
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1970 Ginetta G15 Darkspeed
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Club Retro Rides Member 39
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So... The rope just creates a void in the fibre? Or does the resin soak into the rope and it directly adds strength? While I'm asking silly questions. Those three piece moulds for the light housings... How do you gel and glass the inside of a mould? I think this is my first post on here and I'm asking questions. Sorry! Great thread, keep it up! James Three posts - thankfully I only need answer the first. The rope is just compressed paper with a steel wire in the centre so it can be shaped and it is bound togther with a fine thread and all it does is provide a form for the glass fibre to follow it has no intrinsic strength and adds none even though it does absorb a little resin. It also weighs very little. Same with the coremat it just creates a void it makes a small foam filled composite sandwich increasing the effective stiffness by a massive amount. The lamp pod mould - Wax all three parts - assemble the two semi circle round parts. Apply gel coat just short of the top of the mould and leave to gel Lay up resin and cloth making a taper to the top of the mould and allow to gel Assemble the top of the mould. Working through the hole in the what is now the top of the mould apply gel coat to meet the gel in the two halfs - allow to gel Complete the laminating process with mat and resin working through the hole and completing the taper overlap. Allow to cure for 2-3 days Photo below gives an idea - as the gel coat stages used different colour gels. It takes a fair time to produce as each stage needs an hour before the next can be undertaken even if it takes just a few minutes to do each stage - It will take all day to produce the part and you must complete the full process inside an 8 hour period! No idea if that is the way the factory did it but its what we came up with - Trouble is you have to go through the full process of making the mould before you can test the theory!
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Last Edit: Dec 9, 2019 18:40:09 GMT by Darkspeed
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Darkspeed
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1970 Ginetta G15 Darkspeed
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Dec 11, 2019 23:14:39 GMT
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Once the tea was downed the body came off the jig and back on the chassis. Picture dump - no particular order Have a nice picture of PHX in the hills. Saturday work will see the car buttoned up and pushed outside and the garage given a darn good tidy up - once that is done the G32 can get inside for a few small winter jobs. G15 works will now reduce considerably and works on the Gemini an Strato's will start to ramp up and the odd bit of work on the G27 with a little luck.
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Darkspeed
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Club RR Member Number: 39
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1970 Ginetta G15 Darkspeed
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Club Retro Rides Member 39
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Dec 12, 2019 21:52:26 GMT
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Wishbones / Trailing arms again this evening - last bits of steel bracing prior to leaving the Shropshire workshop. Welding tomorrow so I can drop them off at Itchy's place for collection. I should really get on with doing a set for my own car as well!
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Darkspeed
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1970 Ginetta G15 Darkspeed
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Club Retro Rides Member 39
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Dec 14, 2019 18:39:24 GMT
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Weather was not compatible with getting the trailing arms welded up before today's deadline so they are still in the todo pile in the garage. With a bit of luck I will get them completed tomorrow so they can still be back with their owner on Wednesday.
No pictures of today's works as it was just a quick trimming and sanding down of the spiky strands from the prior works before the car was rolled outside and covered up for the Winter.
The garage/workshop was given a good sweep out and tidy up and my daily was loaded up with the many odds and ends used during the work leaving a nice bit of space at the end of it all.
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mk2cossie
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1970 Ginetta G15 mk2cossie
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Dec 18, 2019 17:47:05 GMT
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Very nice indeed! Love the strengthening ribs over the bearing carrier, and the shape of the weld
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Darkspeed
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1970 Ginetta G15 Darkspeed
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Dec 18, 2019 23:00:11 GMT
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Very nice indeed! Love the strengthening ribs over the bearing carrier, and the shape of the weld Thanks for the compliment - much appreciated - hopefully the owner molebert is similarly minded. Which reminds me Mr H - Mr B (Cov) has found a full set of bigger valves for the 998 head - He will be cutting the seats to fit them as well as a new set of guides - So it's now on its way to being a big valve 998 to the same specification as the full race Chesman heads - Memory like a sieve also forgot to tell you that the inlet has also had quite a lot of aluminium removed from it today so I better not it up when doing the welding for the SU's. I am kind of forgetting that although the works on the bodies and chassis will be winding back there is still plenty going on with engines in the background and will report back on these in due course.
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Darkspeed
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Club RR Member Number: 39
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1970 Ginetta G15 Darkspeed
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Club Retro Rides Member 39
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Santa molebert also turned up last night bearing gifts. Winter essentials - What a star.
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Dec 31, 2019 11:49:43 GMT
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Very nice strengthening indeed lovely bead run along as well. Isn't it nice when the metal's just a little bit thicker?
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Darkspeed
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1970 Ginetta G15 Darkspeed
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Club Retro Rides Member 39
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Jan 21, 2020 20:56:35 GMT
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Very nice strengthening indeed lovely bead run along as well. Isn't it nice when the metal's just a little bit thicker? Sorry for the delayed reply - things have slowed recently due to one thing and another - Yes welding something a bit meatier that can take a bit of heat always seems much nicer to lay a bead onto and it's a pity that the cars I work on have so little of it. Getting really nice weld runs on thin steel is a bit trickier - I am lucky in one regard that the steel I am working with is between 1.2mm and 1.6mm which is just enough to work with whilst avoiding the stitch weld press, press, press, press, style welding most use on 1mm and less. The latest on the G15 front is on the 875 engine for KBW molebert has slung it on an engine stand and rigged it up for test running - we got it spluttering on some.... Not actually SYB but this was the advert that caught my eye for some reason. Did not get it running on the carbs - Strommies are not the easiest to set up from scratch so we will be having a second visit to it running up on the test stand in a week or so. Whilst up at the molebert gaff getting the engine to run I will also be doing a bit of welding for some more brackets on the recently painted chassis! Engineering wise - Mr B with #13 has taken delivery of his custom con rods for his 1200 stroker imp build. He's currently compiling a fair number of flywheels to head off to be modified to accept Micra clutches!
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Last Edit: Jan 21, 2020 21:04:23 GMT by Darkspeed
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How come one is cut and offset? Is that how it ends up lumpy?
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