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cant believe nobody has offered an opinion on tdi? vag asz pd easily 200bhp and will feel alot quicker with the extra torque and as you mentioned "bullet proof" the earlier ve tdi's from vag like the alh or afh will run forever and a day with propa care and will return awesome mileage.   Tempted, except: ECU choices; how many do PD engines bar using a factory ECU and cirmcumventing the immobiliser or tying the key up somewhere? 'Box choices? This may not be as bad as I think. Oil; They are super picky on oil IME and I personally have owned one with camshaft & tappet failure, which is more common than their 'bulletproof' suggestion would make out. Even VAG themselves updated the follower design many times over its life. Only VW505. 01 or 507.00. Many people will put in 505.00 as it's cheaper even though VAG themselves say not to use it. Price : They've never been cheap IME. Even I managed to sell an engine with 250k on it for £550! That was when the going rate was £1k. But yes, they do tick many many boxes  . I’m biased as I have several tuned PD TDIs. Currently daily has 240bhp and only nozzles away from 280. And will still return 55mpg if driven carefully. And this is all on standard internals. |
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Jun 10, 2018 11:13:14 GMT
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cant believe nobody has offered an opinion on tdi? vag asz pd easily 200bhp and will feel alot quicker with the extra torque and as you mentioned "bullet proof" the earlier ve tdi's from vag like the alh or afh will run forever and a day with propa care and will return awesome mileage. Tempted, except: ECU choices; how many do PD engines bar using a factory ECU and cirmcumventing the immobiliser or tying the key up somewhere? 'Box choices? This may not be as bad as I think. Oil; They are super picky on oil IME and I personally have owned one with camshaft & tappet failure, which is more common than their 'bulletproof' suggestion would make out. Even VAG themselves updated the follower design many times over its life. Only VW505. 01 or 507.00. Many people will put in 505.00 as it's cheaper even though VAG themselves say not to use it. Price : They've never been cheap IME. Even I managed to sell an engine with 250k on it for £550! That was when the going rate was £1k. But yes, they do tick many many boxes . You will only ever need the factory ecu.. The imobaliser can be removed on remap however personally I would remove the transponder from the key and use this some way for added security.. The oil is not a problem,if you are spending time and money on a project the last thing you should be doing is skimping on lubrcant.. Of course if a motor has been overly abused/neglected mechanical week links will show,some vag tdi's are stronger than others..( folk tend to drive a diesel as they would a petrol and over revving is not good for valve gear 3k and change gear..) I have a 1.9 PB with the BXE engine code renowned for pushing holes in the block.mine has just cleared 250k miles and has been mapped to 150bhp 45 over standard... Since the pd is one of the most popular conversions into offroad 4x4's etc the transmisions are a mear hurdle... As for price? loads are about mostly 130/150 mk4 golfs and boras buy the full car brake and scrap . buying engine or conversions off the floor is definatley the wrong way to go.... Hey each to there own but I would choose derv over petrol every time .. Alternative fuels more torque and less to go wrong. If you drive a diesel the way they are meant it plenty smiles for miles... |
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Jun 10, 2018 13:13:42 GMT
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Tempted, except: ECU choices; how many do PD engines bar using a factory ECU and cirmcumventing the immobiliser or tying the key up somewhere? 'Box choices? This may not be as bad as I think. Oil; They are super picky on oil IME and I personally have owned one with camshaft & tappet failure, which is more common than their 'bulletproof' suggestion would make out. Even VAG themselves updated the follower design many times over its life. Only VW505. 01 or 507.00. Many people will put in 505.00 as it's cheaper even though VAG themselves say not to use it. Price : They've never been cheap IME. Even I managed to sell an engine with 250k on it for £550! That was when the going rate was £1k. But yes, they do tick many many boxes . You will only ever need the factory ecu.. The imobaliser can be removed on remap however personally I would remove the transponder from the key and use this some way for added security.. The oil is not a problem,if you are spending time and money on a project the last thing you should be doing is skimping on lubrcant.. Of course if a motor has been overly abused/neglected mechanical week links will show,some vag tdi's are stronger than others..( folk tend to drive a diesel as they would a petrol and over revving is not good for valve gear 3k and change gear..) I have a 1.9 PB with the BXE engine code renowned for pushing holes in the block.mine has just cleared 250k miles and has been mapped to 150bhp 45 over standard... Since the pd is one of the most popular conversions into offroad 4x4's etc the transmisions are a mear hurdle... As for price? loads are about mostly 130/150 mk4 golfs and boras buy the full car brake and scrap . buying engine or conversions off the floor is definatley the wrong way to go.... Hey each to there own but I would choose derv over petrol every time .. Alternative fuels more torque and less to go wrong. If you drive a diesel the way they are meant it plenty smiles for miles... Hope you’ve don’t bottom end bearings... |
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adam73bgt
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Jun 10, 2018 19:17:26 GMT
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Left field choice that hasn't been mentioned yet, 2ZZ-GE out of one of these  Also found in Celica T Sports and some Lotuses, 190bhp standard and shouldn't be too unreasonable to get to the 200 mark NA. Also came with over 200bhp in Supercharged form and there are turbo options available for them too. Pre-facelift Corolla T Sports can suffer with the 'lift bolts' failing but they're cheap to replace if not snapped and the facelift models had a better designed bolt from standard The changeover to the high lift cam is a bit high (6200rpm) but its a riot when it gets there And you can pick up a Corolla for next to nothing |
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You will only ever need the factory ecu.. The imobaliser can be removed on remap however personally I would remove the transponder from the key and use this some way for added security.. The oil is not a problem,if you are spending time and money on a project the last thing you should be doing is skimping on lubrcant.. Of course if a motor has been overly abused/neglected mechanical week links will show,some vag tdi's are stronger than others..( folk tend to drive a diesel as they would a petrol and over revving is not good for valve gear 3k and change gear..) I have a 1.9 PB with the BXE engine code renowned for pushing holes in the block.mine has just cleared 250k miles and has been mapped to 150bhp 45 over standard... Since the pd is one of the most popular conversions into offroad 4x4's etc the transmisions are a mear hurdle... As for price? loads are about mostly 130/150 mk4 golfs and boras buy the full car brake and scrap . buying engine or conversions off the floor is definatley the wrong way to go.... Hey each to there own but I would choose derv over petrol every time .. Alternative fuels more torque and less to go wrong. If you drive a diesel the way they are meant it plenty smiles for miles... Hope you’ve don’t bottom end bearings... What a wierd thing to say.............. I give up ... carry on............... |
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Jun 11, 2018 18:20:53 GMT
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Thank you everyone for your input and suggestions. it has actually led me down a path that i did not think of.
I am opting for a Honda K20a with a manual BMW ZF box from a E36. Easy to see 200bhp in N/A and with the bmw box its a nice short RWD package that should take some hammer. Feel free to comment on this or take the thread further with other suggestions for different users.
Thank you again.
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Jun 11, 2018 18:46:17 GMT
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I think that would work pretty well..
Of course plenty photos of the journey are mandatory ..
Looking forward to this one....
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tristanh
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Jun 11, 2018 21:44:20 GMT
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Thank you everyone for your input and suggestions. it has actually led me down a path that i did not think of. I am opting for a Honda K20a with a manual BMW ZF box from a E36. Easy to see 200bhp in N/A and with the bmw box its a nice short RWD package that should take some hammer. Feel free to comment on this or take the thread further with other suggestions for different users. Thank you again. Fantastic engine, better than the F20. |
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Whether you believe you can, or you cannot, you're probably right.
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Lol, I was going to suggest a K20 but didn't.
It's supposed to be a riot.
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Jun 12, 2018 15:56:02 GMT
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Hope you’ve don’t bottom end bearings... What a wierd thing to say.............. I give up ... carry on............... Whoops autocorrect! Meant to say hope you’ve done them. The BXE is fine once they are done every once in a while. Yet to blow up a PD, no matter how hard I try (currently at 2.4BAR  ) You’re obviously a TDI lover too. Almost drive nothing else at this point, though my latest foray has been a 2.0 TFSI unit. |
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Jun 12, 2018 15:57:08 GMT
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Thank you everyone for your input and suggestions. it has actually led me down a path that i did not think of. I am opting for a Honda K20a with a manual BMW ZF box from a E36. Easy to see 200bhp in N/A and with the bmw box its a nice short RWD package that should take some hammer. Feel free to comment on this or take the thread further with other suggestions for different users. Thank you again. Fantastic engine, better than the F20. Tris, is the K20 or the F20 the one that spins backwards? Or is that only B and D series? Honda noob here |
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tristanh
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Jun 12, 2018 17:37:48 GMT
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Fantastic engine, better than the F20. Tris, is the K20 or the F20 the one that spins backwards? Or is that only B and D series? Honda noob here That's the B series. The k is the later Tall Civic era. The one with the gearstick up on the dash. Standard rotation. I couldn't swear to the direction of the S2000 F, still a great engine, just it's easier to tune the K to more, and reliable too. |
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Whether you believe you can, or you cannot, you're probably right.
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Jun 12, 2018 20:33:39 GMT
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What a wierd thing to say.............. I give up ... carry on............... Whoops autocorrect! Meant to say hope you’ve done them. The BXE is fine once they are done every once in a while. Yet to blow up a PD, no matter how hard I try (currently at 2.4BAR ) You’re obviously a TDI lover too. Almost drive nothing else at this point, though my latest foray has been a 2.0 TFSI unit.  Even stranger when read on the phone when suposed to be working.. Yeah I'm Turbo Derv through and through.. Looking at om series Mercedes tdi's at the minute... I'm replacing the BXE in my motor for a fruity ASZ I'm building,GT2266 (x5 turbo) injectors water meth and a charge cooler around 300 plus should be enough with 4wd and a bit of a sleeper.... |
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Jun 12, 2018 21:26:04 GMT
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Whoops autocorrect! Meant to say hope you’ve done them. The BXE is fine once they are done every once in a while. Yet to blow up a PD, no matter how hard I try (currently at 2.4BAR ) You’re obviously a TDI lover too. Almost drive nothing else at this point, though my latest foray has been a 2.0 TFSI unit. Even stranger when read on the phone when suposed to be working.. Yeah I'm Turbo Derv through and through.. Looking at om series Mercedes tdi's at the minute... I'm replacing the BXE in my motor for a fruity ASZ I'm building,GT2266 (x5 turbo) injectors water meth and a charge cooler around 300 plus should be enough with 4wd and a bit of a sleeper.... Sounds rather like what I’ve got... BXE thrown out for an ARL (crank seal changed and hole cut), 2260VK and a 4motion conversion... |
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Jun 12, 2018 23:35:14 GMT
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Great minds think alike..
60% farad nozles the last piece to the puzzle...
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I’ve just bought the full 4motion conversion, that will get done and up and running first before I can stomach the grand including fitting they will cost me. Heard that 280 is the limit without a cam. 280bhp is still a lot in a diesel
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Bang for buck and when it comes to upgrade costs you simply wont beat a Honda B or K series engine. They all already have atleast 170BHP and spending half the money of building up pretty much any other NA 4 pot lump you can easily see 240-260bhp at the fly.
One of my B18C4's was 170 at the fly standard so what around 145 at the wheels and with bigger injectors, inlet & exhaust manifolds, stage 2 cams and valve springs with a remap it sees 200BHP at the wheels.
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stealthstylz
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Jun 14, 2018 17:28:18 GMT
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None of the engines mentioned are bulletproof, K20 is probably the best of the bunch though. I think Saab and Volvo owners are too busy circle jerking between themselves to notice that for the most lauded bullet proof 4 pot engines they're not very errr bulletproof, especially the Saab in RWD conversions.
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adam73bgt
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None of the engines mentioned are bulletproof, K20 is probably the best of the bunch though. I think Saab and Volvo owners are too busy circle jerking between themselves to notice that for the most lauded bullet proof 4 pot engines they're not very errr bulletproof, especially the Saab in RWD conversions. What would be your suggestion then? |
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Jun 15, 2018 14:38:42 GMT
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Sorry mate thought i was bein helpful.looked at lots of options myself and with a budget of zero the volvo won due to the reasons i posted above.
200bhp for £200 with decent box and axle,barely above standard tune so volvo reliability i expect.
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Even stranger when read on the phone when suposed to be working..
