tigran
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5th gear right now!tigran
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Sept 11, 2007 11:14:49 GMT
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Just watched the episode, pretty good i must say - johnny you lucky ba***** ;D
The crash test totally didn't go the way i thought it would - i suppose the crumple zone in the volvo is a fairly basic design compared to the modus getting it's discipating game on.
*makes note to, as someone said, avoid crashes in general*
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1964 Rover P5 i6 1987 BMW 525e - The Rusty Streak 1992 Micra K10 2001 BMW E46 316i 2002 BMW E46 330Ci 2013 BMW F31 320d 2018 BMW G31 530d
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Sept 11, 2007 11:24:23 GMT
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Rather have a 940 than a cavalier Extreme 850 test The 850 didn´t do too bad at all, reacon you´d have survived!
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Sept 11, 2007 11:32:30 GMT
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Someone on another forum was saying that although the lower dash of the Volvo was pushed against the driver's legs it's pretty empty under there so it's not much more than being hit by a piece of flat plastic.
Wasted opportunity not to delve a bit deeper IMO
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Sept 11, 2007 11:36:52 GMT
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Interested by the outcome of the 205 vs 207 test thingy. Once again proving that multiple airbags, clever computers, euro-Ncap and a hundred-and-seventy-eleven horsepower does not equal fun. I'm in agreement with the man-voiced one, 205 FTW!
(Also, being on an "H", shouldn't that 205 have had clear repeaters?)
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Sept 11, 2007 15:23:23 GMT
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If I bought a Modus it would have some kind of electrical failure in the fast lane of the M1 and cause a massive accident while the Volvo would tootle its way to 300k at 55mph completely unscathed. The depreciation of the Modus would also induce a heart attack. See Volvos are better for your health afterall!
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1987 Maestro 1.6 HL perkins diesel conversion 1986 Audi 100 Avant 1800cc on LPG 1979 Allegro Series 2 special 4 door 1500cc with vynil roof. IN BITS. HERITAGE ISSUES.
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Sept 11, 2007 15:39:43 GMT
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I wonder how a car with a lower Euro-Ncap maybe 4 or possibly 3 star rating would fair against a big Volvo?
Either way, Modus's look a bit too 'window licker' for me.
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Sept 11, 2007 15:42:49 GMT
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I wonder how a car with a lower Euro-Ncap maybe 4 or possibly 3 star rating would fair against a big Volvo? Either way, Modus's look a bit too 'window licker' for me. Good point! ;D ;D
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MWF
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Sept 11, 2007 16:07:52 GMT
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I wonder how a car with a lower Euro-Ncap maybe 4 or possibly 3 star rating would fair against a big Volvo? This is the thing with Ncap ratings. It's a bit of a tick box system based on fitting a certain criteria. For example an Aston Martin DB9 cannot get a full rating on the basis it doesn't have enough air bags, the fact it's doesn't actually need them is irrelevant.
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Sept 12, 2007 8:04:17 GMT
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For example an Aston Martin DB9 cannot get a full rating on the basis it doesn't have enough air bags, the fact it's doesn't actually need them is irrelevant. What do you mean it doesn't need them? You mean you can actually drive a car that doesn't have a dozen airbags, ABS, ESP, ETC ETC?
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MWF
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Sept 12, 2007 8:16:55 GMT
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For example an Aston Martin DB9 cannot get a full rating on the basis it doesn't have enough air bags, the fact it's doesn't actually need them is irrelevant. What do you mean it doesn't need them? You mean you can actually drive a car that doesn't have a dozen airbags, ABS, ESP, ETC ETC? LOL Sorry I meant it doesn't need the extra air bags that get you a full 5 point rating. I believe you can drive a DB9 into a solid block at 40mph and suffer zero intrusion into the bulkhead, in fact I don't even think the engine subframe is affected at that speed. That would be an interesting test DB9 vs Modus, I'm confident I wouldn't want to be in the higher rated car.
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Sept 12, 2007 8:35:28 GMT
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Thats a daft way to do it, tick box, before? I'd take a load of crash tests and ask the CT-Dummies what they thought, and if thats not poss, check the damage, video replays, and G forces or whatever from the Dummies. thats more of a real test surely! Agree about the Volvo dash panels. Volvo were pioneers of Safety were they not, doubt the vinyl panels were filled with concrete, not like Volvo drivers are Karate extreme masters! ;D I'd like to see the real damage assesed of virtual occupants.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Sept 12, 2007 8:51:54 GMT
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The last time I bothered to watch 5th Gear (a few years ago), they were crashing cars into each other in a scaremongering fashion. Sounds like nothing much has changed. I'll continue to give it a miss.
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Sept 12, 2007 9:03:42 GMT
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I'm guessing a few things here,.. firstly they didn't buy the Modus. Therefore it is more than likely that Renault wouldn't have given them a car to use and crash that they weren't confident could best the other car. Effectively it is set up in such a way that 5th Gear can fill 10 minutes of their show. Renault get some good press. It doesn't cost anyone too much money. Frankly I'd rather crash a modern car than an old one.. better still I'd rather have a car with ABS to help avoid accidents in the first place
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Seth
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Sept 12, 2007 9:30:11 GMT
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I quite like the concept of being in a car that isn't so chock full of "must have" non optional extras that it is 1/2 - 2/3rd the weight of a similarly sized newer car and hence more agile. I equally enjoy plenty of direct feedback and slim pillars so I can see what's around me.
I still wouldn't want to hit anything though, or be hit.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Sept 12, 2007 9:58:22 GMT
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Agree Seth - out in a new Fiesta yesterday - can hardly see a thing thanks to the HUUUGE windscreen pillars and tiny rear window.
And as I drive a 2CV, I do tend to try to avoid accidents!
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MWF
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Sept 12, 2007 11:03:22 GMT
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Effectively it is set up in such a way that 5th Gear can fill 10 minutes of their show. Renault get some good press. It doesn't cost anyone too much money. I agree, it certainly seemed that way. The whole analysis came across as very biased to me.
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Sept 12, 2007 11:34:27 GMT
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I think Renault quite like their safety publicity stunts, pretty much like what they did on Top Gear a while ago during the 'good early new series' formula that was actually watchable. I'd still rather hit something in my C4 than the Amazon, although I still maintain I would've gone through that little twonk in the Clio who cut me up going to college the other night Fifth Gear takes it up the bum.
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Sept 12, 2007 11:35:45 GMT
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Has a car show ever told you not to buy a new car? We all know that older cars are better value, more fun, and far nicer to look at - but if 5th Gear started telling us all to buy second hand they'd never get any new cars to test.
Edit: Oh yeah, Used Car Roadshow. Still...
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1988 Peugeot 205 1.9 GTI - Retro daily/trackday/weekend car. 1991 Peugeot 205 1.4 XS fixer-upper. Needs TLC and MOT. 2000 Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 16v - Commuter-mobile. Tiny share of: 1979 Austin Allegro track car project. Bright orange 2 door. Oh yes. Soon: 1990 Nissan Bluebird 1.8 with all the toys Even Sooner: Trackday car. Something fast with RWD please!
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5th gear right now!milfordcubicle
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Sept 12, 2007 11:59:51 GMT
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They did buy the Modus, it was a 3 year old used example. It made more of a mess of the Ovlov than I was expecting, with serious intrusion into the driver's side. The Modus shrugged off much of the damage, the passenger area was practically intact. The thing is though, how likely are you to crash head-on into any car?
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Sept 12, 2007 12:13:20 GMT
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It's interesting the refusal to face a obvious fact by some commenting on this thread (not thinking of you LankyTim!). The Modus was far safer in terms of secondary safety in this crash.
I feel this may stem from the 'all new cars are curse word' sympathy of the forum- sometimes we ignore just how in many functional ways they are far better, now matter how soulless or boring they may look or drive
The Volvo's dashboard pushed into the driver's lap, and his legs were badly crushed. The front wheel was pushed back into where the drivers footwell would have been. He may have lived, but all that blood loss while fire brigade cut him out wouldn't have done his chances any good at all.
I thought that the Modus would do better overall as it would absorb the impact forces better and the occupants would move around less, but I was surprised how badly the Volvo crumpled.
What Car (or their German equivalent) printed the first of these offset crash tests in 1991, at 35mph (closing speed of 70) and the Volvo 740 in that test did well, with much less damage. However other cars didn't fare very well - (I remember the Renault 25, Honda Legend and Carlton did poorly).
It's much better to do these tests with cars that are straight out of the factory, as we don't know about any hidden corrosion on the 900. If it there was any around the bulkhead area or chassis legs - which can happen in old Volvos - it would have made a big difference.
Overall I thought the test was fair and realistic, but spoilt by all the usual 5th gear curse word.
If I was given a Audi R8 for a day, I'd want to do something a bit more imaginative than doughnuts and drag racing!
P.S. Milford, I think research shows that this type of 'offset' crash, is more common that the two car fronts coming together 'face to face'. This is due to the drivers inevitably steering to avoid hitting each other.
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Last Edit: Sept 12, 2007 12:20:11 GMT by anthonyg
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