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so is that pigment issue chris? most places would have the attitude of "if the customer doesn't notice then it doesn't matter". you really are both a credit to your integrity and to all genuine craftsmen.. which are few and far between these days! Pete - Nail & Head come to mind when you mention pigment and that was my initial thoughts - its a rare problem and I have not come across it for many, many years - you can only just make it out in very strong light - I will have a chat with the paint supplier in the morning - they are very good and I would not use them if they weren't - my thoughts are to batch a second mix of paint with fresh tinters and paint the shell again - the paint currently on the car has cured correctly and all the prep work was correct with no corners cut (its not something that I do - ever) |
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OK, It's my turn to ask the dumb question, what's ghosting if we mere mortals cannot see it? Its a haze to the paint finish that can only be detected in certain lights creating a halo type effect - it will not polish out |
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^^^^ can I just come along and make the tea??....or pour the gin😂 Dan - Anytime you don't need an invite from me  |
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so is that pigment issue chris? most places would have the attitude of "if the customer doesn't notice then it doesn't matter". you really are both a credit to your integrity and to all genuine craftsmen.. which are few and far between these days! Pete - Nail & Head come to mind when you mention pigment and that was my initial thoughts - its a rare problem and I have not come across it for many, many years - you can only just make it out in very strong light - I will have a chat with the paint supplier in the morning - they are very good and I would not use them if they weren't - my thoughts are to batch a second mix of paint with fresh tinters and paint the shell again - the paint currently on the car has cured correctly and all the prep work was correct with no corners cut (its not something that I do - ever) i think the whole of the internet can vouch that not even a fraction of a degree of a corner was marginally scuffed....let alone cut! still a bu&&er though! |
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating
'80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip
'97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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I had a similar issue with the last Golf I painted. only it was in the engine bay. A flat and another coat the next day and the paint really popped. My pro painter mate feels that the extra coat "sat down" better on the "green/raw" paint. Any thoughts, Chris? Could be - see my other reply's - applying automotive finishes is part skill, part conditions, part chemistry and sometimes it goes wrong for whatever reason |
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I'm not telling I don't want to unleash the wrath of the Grump by spoiling his fun or any surprises that would not be fair. Now Pete you say that with an air of contempt - has if I would keep the RR members hanging in suspense with my project threads or something to that effect - I mean that's utterly outrageous - I wouldn't ever do anything like that now would I (and if I did it would only be because some others had put me up to it - and I'm saying nowt but one of them is the owner of a freshly painted Corsair and another one who's workshop is not big enough lives 10 miles down the road from me)  Well it aint me !! though there are areas which need re doing badly on mine as its getting on for 5 years of abuse now, I couldn't afford to do it again, not at the moment anyway. don't need a kidney do you Chris?? mine are alcohol free  |
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I thought I could see very clearly what ghosting is when I looked at the pictures. Then I tried zooming in and coffee stains on my laptop screen stayed the same size so I'm back to wondering along with everybody else.
Oh, I'm a page behind.
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Is there any danger of the effect bleeding through a second batch of paint?
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Is there any danger of the effect bleeding through a second batch of paint? I would not have thought so - I flatted the offside rear wing with 800's before I packed up and the effect is totally removed (which it would be) - the paint is fully cured and there is no reaction with the primers - just a matter of fresh batch of paint and a morning of prep tomorrow |
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Sounds very much like a flaw in the paint chemistry, in that the light is being broken into its component colours by the top layer of the paint,and being reflected back, like for instance a prismatic effect varnish.
It may be interesting to view the effect through polarised sun glasses to see if the effect is enhanced or diminished
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Sounds very much like a flaw in the paint chemistry, in that the light is being broken into its component colours by the top layer of the paint,and being reflected back, like for instance a prismatic effect varnish. You really ought to be a regular contributor to The Naughty Corner with analysis like that tripping off your tongue like it aint no thang. |
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Sounds very much like a flaw in the paint chemistry, in that the light is being broken into its component colours by the top layer of the paint,and being reflected back, like for instance a prismatic effect varnish. You really ought to be a regular contributor to The Naughty Corner with analysis like that tripping off your tongue like it aint no thang.
I'm not actually sure that I understand that, perhaps you have a different theory. We can all get a dodgy batch of anything from a supplier no matter how good they are. They are reliant on the quality of their raw materials too!!
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You really ought to be a regular contributor to The Naughty Corner with analysis like that tripping off your tongue like it aint no thang. I'm not actually sure that I understand that, perhaps you have a different theory. We can all get a dodgy batch of anything from a supplier no matter how good they are. They are reliant on the quality of their raw materials too!!
It was the eloquence of the terminology used that prompted the comment, not a disagreement with what you said. For reference, The Naughty Corner is supposed to be my progress thread but I'm an amateur dabbler in this world and my thread is more often used by me as a place to wax lyrical, and by others as a place to mock and taunt me. |
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Sorry, I'll try to rough it up a bit in future!! No hard feelings. Just hope Chris doesn't end up with a can of the same stuff.
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WOW! Great craftsmanship, great colour, going to be an absolutely stunning Corsair!
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I'm not actually sure that I understand that, perhaps you have a different theory. We can all get a dodgy batch of anything from a supplier no matter how good they are. They are reliant on the quality of their raw materials too!!
It was the eloquence of the terminology used that prompted the comment, not a disagreement with what you said. For reference, The Naughty Corner is supposed to be my progress thread but I'm an amateur dabbler in this world and my thread is more often used by me as a place to wax lyrical, and by others as a place to mock and taunt me. Ah 'Wax Lyrical' no wonder that Scimitar of yours has dull black paintwork on it - the rest of use proper stuff like Meguirs or AutoGlym And whilst we are at it these accusations of being 'mocked & taunted' by fellow RR members on your own thread - really - would we really lower ourselves to do a such a thing |
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could a small amount of moisture made its way in and caused the ghosting? or is it more a chemical thing?
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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could a small amount of moisture made its way in and caused the ghosting? or is it more a chemical thing? JP JP - Moisture shows up has something entirely different with paint finishes - has this would cause lack of paint adhesion - you can also get the effects of micro blistering where moisture is trapped under the paint - its certainly a chemical reaction - all correctable - sometimes these problems occur and its just part of the job - pointless me kicking myself about it - I just have to get on & get it done However - The gremlins appear to have visited several other members this last weekend to whom have all been subjected to pretty heavy tripping points  |
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Grumpy quick question if you don't mind..Quality of paints does this differ greatly ie like everything does the cheaper option paint from suppliers differ to a quality brand..is there a clear notable visual difference short and long term..Thanks..
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Grumpy quick question if you don't mind..Quality of paints does this differ greatly ie like everything does the cheaper option paint from suppliers differ to a quality brand..is there a clear notable visual difference short and long term..Thanks.. Very much so but the favourite trick of the website retailers is to list a paint has high quality when in reality its not - it is in fact industrial grade - it looks shiny enough when it gets applied but within months it will fade - holds very little UV protection and will not take to polish very well at all - it is what it says it is 'Industrial Grade' its manufactured for the commercial market of industrial equipment / site equipment / fork lift trucks / shipping containers etc (only the retailers don't tell you that and they sell it for an inflated price but under that of vehicle quality paint to make it appear good value) Vehicle quality paint is very different in the quality aspect - holds strong UV fade protection, high yield adhesion qualities, is very durable and will be polishable to within microns of its depth - this applies to both solvent based, single pack & 2 pack paints - I would only ever use a known / named brand from a respected paint manufacture and in my case I have used the Italian based 'Lechler' for several years now - basically you get what you pay for but going back to your question a notable difference short term - that will be down to depth of finish and the skill of the person that applied it - in some cases it could be very difficult to judge between a low / high quality paint when applied - longer term the results would be more than obvious with paint fade / lack of adhesion / durability / wear, abrasion & contact resistance |
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