cati69
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Oct 26, 2017 21:52:46 GMT
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So a bit of background on me, my mate lets call him Badhand and the name. Yonks ago a Bachand built an '05 Mustang street/track car that ended up being known as Hell Yeah. He hit hard times and had to sell it on, but always said as soon as things got better, He'd be back bigger and better with something even more special.
So things got better and Badhand started thinking about a project. Having always loved the classic 'Stangs, but wanting something that handled as well as the S197 he'd lost and even as good as the S550 which was just coming out, He came up with the idea of building something along the lines of the Agent 47 Harbinger, Ken Block's Hoonigan or Vaughn Gittins RTR-X. A '69 pro-tourer basically. Classic body but modern motor and suspension.
We decided it would be fun to combine as many generations as possible into one as a Forum Project car. Realistically though, (and should I say this openly?) there's not much from 1970 to 2005 We' d want on it! I considered the classic Mustang2 front end upgrade, but then thought stuff it, we can make something better than that!
we' always had a thing for coupes and decided, as they are always cheaper than the Fastbacks, he'd start looking around for a good half-finished '69 coupe project for as few dollars as possible. He started scribbling on napkins to get a feel for the project and to get some inspiration in the time it was taking to find something suitable.
So that's a '69 Mach 1 project from Texas, which is the first spanner in the works - it's not a coupe - but was such a bargain he couldn't turn it down. And is where the name comes from, Hellraiser sounded cool. A project has to have a name right?
Then there's the second spanner, a Ford Racing Coyote crate engine, ECU, ancileries and T56 gearbox and my mates misses, Mrs Badhand.
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Last Edit: Aug 19, 2024 15:45:06 GMT by cati69
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cati69
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Oct 26, 2017 21:55:23 GMT
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Last Edit: Oct 26, 2017 22:02:03 GMT by cati69
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cati69
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Oct 26, 2017 22:03:12 GMT
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so planning was starting in ernest and with every plan, you need a complicated drawing so here is ours  |
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cati69
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Oct 26, 2017 22:05:11 GMT
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Anyway... on with the build. Or not. As the hulk has stayed in my garage all winter while we gather parts and try to figure out what the hell to do with the chassis. As it stands, the original body shell sits on a part Art Morrison, part unidentified chassis. The front clip looks like it has Mustang 2 set up and the back is all mahoosive Hoosier and Strange axle undrivability. Up front. Plan is to work out where the wheels are going to sit. Then using something like KW Clubsport struts and with the car sitting at the right height (4") we'll work back from the fixed distances to get the dims for the bespoke made adjustable wishbones and mounts. Up back, it's uncharted, but current thinking is to get hold of an S550 IRS unit and hook that up to some more KW Coilovers mounted internally on a bespoke made push rod cantilever system like the Maeir unit used on the RTR-X Lawman mentioned. Maier don't sell that unit anymore, but I have a very talented engineer friend sourcing the bilet and drawing up the plans for something even better... Well we ended up finding a complete IRS subframe asssembly from the S550 on eBay and we've managed to shuv it in the back of the '69. Hooray! Got the car sitting on blocks at its 5" ride height, have taken datum points and worked out most stuff will fit. We're planning on 18x12" rims at the rear and 18 x 10"s up front. We've mocked it up with 19"s from cati's S550 and have all the hubs/knuckles ready to take the Forgelines when we can get hold of them. We're pretty much building this car from them backwards. Our plans to use cati's S550 front struts has gone out the window though. Apart from anything else, at this ride height, the long struts will burst through the front wings. Anyway, some photographic evidence that something has actually happened  |
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cati69
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Oct 26, 2017 22:08:03 GMT
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So earlier this year, Hellraiser on FB, was moved to its new temporary home. Its no fun loading a car with no steering or brakes but it went surprisingly smoothly. Hope it's an Omen. Badhand has been hard at working sorting stuff out. 2 days just measuring stuff. We now reckon we know how we can fit the IRS assembly and the huge 12" wide 18s in there. Chassis is now supported on on blocks to give us an idea of ride height and work out all the dimensions. It's not quite the ideal 4" we'd hoped for but that's probably just as well for a street car. It's 5" at the back, raking to 4.75 up front. We plan to use adjustable shocks so can dial her in for track work hopefully. From the way she's sitting now, we'll need to tub it and the flares are going to be at least 4". You can't really see from the pic, but I reckon this is sitting nicely.   The IRS subframe is tacked in place, which makes me very happy. Hopefully you can see from the pic and sketches how it will fit into the existing frame once the cross members are cut in.    |
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Last Edit: Sept 30, 2020 9:05:03 GMT by cati69
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cati69
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Oct 26, 2017 22:09:08 GMT
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Hmmm... With the rear subframe in position and a 19" rim and a block of wood, we worked out how our 18" wheels would sit once we'd dropped the car to our ride height. Which will be 3-degrees of camber. So we now have two options: 1. Raise the subframe. 2. Use Steeda adjustable camber arms. Option 1 is a massive pain in the  as we'll need to seriously modify the chassis rails to accommodate the upwards move. See second photo. The cradle will interfere with the rails, so we'd need to cut them out and brace the top significantly. Apart from the hassle, it'll look butt ugly. Another potential hassle, is the raised height of the assembly will position the prop shaft at an angle which will hit our prop tunnel. Whilst not overcome-able, it's more work constructing a new one and faffing about. Option 2, is a phone call to Steeda... Tough decision! Steeda Autosports @steeda @steedaautosports #Steeda    |
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cati69
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Oct 26, 2017 22:11:02 GMT
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so as the suspension was moving along we had to consider brakes etc so the build could continue OK. Wilwood have the right product, so hats off there, but couldn't deal with me as a non US resident, so they passed me over to Summit Racing who were not only very, very helpful, but cheaper than the manufacturer too. smile www.summitracing.comWaiting now begins for a set of Wilwood Aero 6 pot callipers in custom colour (i know, flash aint we?), 14" two piece rotors, hubs and their Mustang II pro spindles with 2" drop. Plus line kit.  That not only means we can add another generation Mustang part to our component list, but that we can start speccing the front wishbones as soon as this lot got snuck it in the house while Mrs. Badhand was out, to unbox and inspect it all. Gotta say I'm so impressed with the Competition Orange callipers. Can't wait to get these behind the Forgelines.       |
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cati69
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Oct 26, 2017 22:13:10 GMT
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cati69
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Oct 26, 2017 22:14:06 GMT
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cati69
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Oct 26, 2017 22:19:53 GMT
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Using the much too short and s$%tty Mustang II 'bones that came with the car, we were able to mock up enough to get measurements for the new wishbones to give to....an old car racing and mustang fabricator who has moved to distant shores to build special things for kiwis - we shall refer to him as Spanner Monkey!   This is going to be interesting as the Monkey inhabits a secret lair in the Antipodes. But I know it's going to be worth the hassle as he knows his bananas and thanks to his opposable thumbs is quite a dab hand with the hammer and welder. He'll be building the upper and lower arms as well as the mounts. All fully adjustable. Once they're done, they'll be shipped back here for assembly. Careful measuring needed:  Bit of fiddling going on: 1. Working out the platform that will support the Spanner Monkey™ inboard cantilever suspension system.  2. Steel strip shows where floor will meet wheel tub and cross section of tub.  3. Profile and position of the arches which will be fabbed out os steel and either bolted on or blended in. Still to be decided. They'll be bolted on anyway, so we can decide once we've seen them...   4. All the steel tubing is in ready for the roll cage to be made.  5. We were stoked to discover this fibreglass cast from an original '69 Boss at the back of the workshop. I love the shape of the 69 dash so am really happy that we can get this lightweight alternative in the cockpit, cut around the new roll cage.  |
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I have no alternative but to bookmark this. Great stuff.
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Oct 27, 2017 12:19:39 GMT
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Absolutely legendary stuff. What's the timeplan? Love the colour in the rendering  |
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Oct 27, 2017 15:44:56 GMT
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Bookmarked looking forward to rest of the build thread
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Stiff
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Oct 27, 2017 16:46:01 GMT
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Wow. Just wow. Instant bookmark!
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1969 Mustang HellRaiser peteh1969
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Oct 27, 2017 17:38:46 GMT
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After looking at the pictures and the offsets you want to use have you checked to make sure you can get it on and off the ramp when it's done?
I think it's a great project and will be following your progress.
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Oct 27, 2017 19:34:29 GMT
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THIS ^^^^..... To quote a good mate of mine.... "HELL-FIRE!!!" |
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Rover Metro - The TARDIS - brake problems.....Stored
Rover 75 - Barge
MGZTT Cdti 160+ - Winter Hack and Audi botherer...
MGF - The Golden Shot...Stored
Project Minion........
Can you see the theme?
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cati69
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Oct 28, 2017 20:14:49 GMT
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After looking at the pictures and the offsets you want to use have you checked to make sure you can get it on and off the ramp when it's done? I think it's a great project and will be following your progress. Pete - good question and yes it will come off the ramp when it is done. On one of the early pics you can see there is ample room to get it off, even if we fitted the biggest carlos fanganoes money can buy. Will post more as soon as we make some progress... just waiting on suspension arms and new panels so more updates soon i promise and thank you for all your interest so far, it is very rewarding Cheers Cati |
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Oct 29, 2017 16:31:06 GMT
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Very interesting build.
Following this fo'sho!
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