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Dec 29, 2018 18:19:25 GMT
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John, just had a random thought about cam bearings - did you get double thrust bearings or stock? With your straight cut cam gears you haven't got the helix to keep the cam in place, so you need two bearings with thrust faces on them rather than just one. Yeah went for double thrust ones, didn’t think about the straight cut cam gears though, just did it because it seems to be recommended on all engines (we did on the 1300 too) Mike also said to too when I spoke to him, which I thought was good after 18 years!
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Dec 29, 2018 18:25:03 GMT
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The other question is do I need a welded/balanced fan?
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Dec 29, 2018 19:39:45 GMT
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Not unless you're regularly going to see over 6500rpm! In over 23 years of Volkswagening I can only think of one car in the UK that had a fan explode. For racing, where you'll see high rpm, you'll drop the fan belt off anyway as it saps quite a lot of power. For going up the hill at the gathering take the belt off for the run, then refit it at the top.
Alternatively, wire up a switch with a little circuit to the generator to make it run like a motor off the battery (or even a tiny second one), so you haven't got the physical losses from the fan being driven by the crank. Use it like that for a race, then fit the belt and flip the switch for driving home.
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Dec 29, 2018 21:35:47 GMT
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If you go to the Stony Stratford New Years Day meet (and it's the last one this year) would be great to see some photos. Chances are my father will be there, either in a cream and blue '56 chevy 210, or a black with metalflake beach buggy, but he never takes many pictures..
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If you go to the Stony Stratford New Years Day meet (and it's the last one this year) would be great to see some photos. Chances are my father will be there, either in a cream and blue '56 chevy 210, or a black with metalflake beach buggy, but he never takes many pictures.. Didn’t see him enough to click that it was him.... only saw one buggy (but that was a green metal flake Manx) And thought we saw the Chevy through people and cars but when we got there it was an Oldsmobile We went up the farm, and it started to rain so we carried on over in the Corsa Got held up a bit going up a hill And had a good wander around and a bacon butty Bought some books from the Willen Hospice shop, was really impressed that they’d got in loads of car related books for the da Have posted some photos in various places on the general board Now waiting for some bits to be delivered.... and emails suggest we’ll get parcels tomorrow Happy new year all
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John, you've just bought The Bible! The California Look book by Keith Seume is the one book that changed my life, no joke. Virtually every member of my local VW club had at least one copy,and we all aspired to have hot VWs with that nose down stance. One lad had a nice standard '73 1200, red painted steels and a red stripe in the bumper - borrowed a copy off one of the other guys and fell in love with the white Race Shop '67. Three days later he turned up to the club with the front end lowered, 145 and 165 tyres on silver steels with black centres, no hubcaps, T-bars instead of bumpers, a load of racing stickers and 36 metres of pinstripe tape... I can see Tom starting a Beetle project for when he's 17!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Today we went to Bicester Heritage for the Sunday Scramble, met a few RRers and people on the way in.... like @quatermass says, I also tend to focus on the bits that need fixing or aren’t quite right rather than what we’ve got (I guess that’s the inner engineer) so it surprises me every time someone appreciates it, even though we pat ourselves on the backs all the time We parked near a tea van and queued up waiting for mate, Andy to find us, and loads of people had a look at it and generally walked away smiling, which is what this is all about really It was fairly chilly on the way over, so chilly I made a bit of a mental note to remember gloves next time! It was missing a little bit so we’ll have to look at that, but idled ok mostly just stuttered as we loaded it... but got us there and back, so we’ll look at that soon We’ve sorted bits, I had scored some new cam followers from a mate but Engle state that you should use Engle followers because they have an additional oil hole to feed the cam lobe... So gave them back and spent out We also got a cam gear puller, on the 1300 we pried the cam gear off to swap the bearing... but didn’t want to do that on a balanced clank Also ordered a tinware set, we have a few bits with the engine, but lots of parts were missing, we got a 36hp fan shroud set The shroud has baffles but no flaps though We also got a cheap piston ring compressor, I’ve got quite a good laser one, but it doesn’t work with these very well as you can’t fit it in behind the cylinders And some paper gasket inlet manifold gaskets, as these are said to be easier to trim to the ported inlets Will need to order some copper exhaust manifold gaskets for the 1 1/2 exhaust we have too Also ordered some caps for the slots to finish off the wheels a bit Would have done some engine building but ran out of time for various reasons... but want to get the engine built back up this month and then start with the bodywork stuff
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Also picked up some running in oil from Fuzz Townsends oil place at Bicester whilst we were there We did see Fuzz, and also Edd China too... but don’t like disturbing people so didn’t speak to them
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Probably carb icing - not supposed to get it with duals though. Chuck a bit (2% from memory) of IPA (no not the beer) in your tanks and see if that fixes it.
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Probably carb icing - not supposed to get it with duals though. Chuck a bit (2% from memory) of IPA (no not the beer) in your tanks and see if that fixes it.
Did notice some icing on the one behind me, which seemed to be the one that had the miss... so will give that a try Thanks
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Jan 13, 2019 17:38:56 GMT
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Collected Christmas trees with the scouts yesterday, and off to go visit mother in law for her birthday this afternoon..... that and visiting mother who has fractured some bones falling off of a ladder..... and the dreaded cold that everyone but the dog is slowly catching, have limited our playtime Anyway enough of excuses, we got a half day on the engine today. We pulled the cam gear and distributor drive with the tool.... it was still hard work (harder than the 1300, so guess the tolerances are a bit closer) but got that done, changed the main bearing and then heated the gears up before pushing them back on The advantage of being married to someone working nights is you can sneak in and do stuff like this whilst she’s asleep... and as long as you burn some toast for lunch.... you won’t get caught The gears went back on easily after heating up So we carried on building up the bottom end. We checked the thrust faces on the cam bearings and adjusted (with a mirror as flat surface and wet and dry paper, taking a little off at a time and checking until the surfaces stopped binding and then we had a small amount of movement. We also checked for clearance between the cam and followers, as we were told this could be an issue on engines with high lift cams (it has been built before, but the cam and followers are new After that we removed the cam, fitted the rest of the main bearings and then the crank and checked that moved smoothly (did notice it was harder to line the bearings up onto the dowels with the big counterweight crank) We reinstalled the cam to the timing mark And it was just starting to spot with rain, so we lubed the cam and followers up with the Engle assembly lube (not sure if there is any real difference other than colour) and then used blue hylomar on the case halves and bolted it all together And then checked that it all turned over freely Hopefully a bit more soon We also got a doghouse cooler and the mount for a twin port We could have got a reproduction one, but this is a original one, just needs some cleaning up
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Jan 13, 2019 23:50:59 GMT
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Worth getting that oil cooler flushed out - genuine stuff is good, but only if its clean! Serck have done a couple of coolers for me in the past.
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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luckyseven
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Will an OE cooler be man enough for such a frisky engine? I was under the impression a lump like this would need an external (ie not doghouse) cooler?
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Jan 14, 2019 11:18:07 GMT
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Yes, it should be fine. Real high compression ratios (like 11:1+) would benefit from one, but with the full flow oiling and the deep sump there's much more oil to dissipate heat anyway. More important is having the correct, well fitting tinware in place, although there is no engine bay to seal up against! I'd get some gauges in place now, see what the little engine does in terms of temp for oil and cylinder head, then when the big engine goes in, try to keep them about the same.
Disclaimer: my 2007cc motor in my Beetle has just a stock doghouse cooler, 10.5:1 compression ratio and no gauges, so I don't always follow my own advice to the letter...
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Jan 14, 2019 13:17:08 GMT
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Will an OE cooler be man enough for such a frisky engine? I was under the impression a lump like this would need an external (ie not doghouse) cooler? I don’t really know, reading the forums and trying to find an answer yielded more and more answers. There are guys in Texas saying it’s all that’s needed on 2.3l engines And other who say it’ll need a external cooler...., So we reckon, by running the doghouse we will have a cooler that will have air blowing over it when stationary, using the fan. We have a oil temp sensor in the sump so can check how hot the oil gets. It is already full flowed with a cooler, so the easiest solution if we need additional cooling would be to fit an oil flow thermostat between the oil filter and engine... but don’t know what size cooler we’d need, and hopefully we would just be able to fit a cooler somewhere in the airflow (that’s almost anywhere ) and not have to fit an additional electric fan to the cooler as well (some of the internet suggest that would be needed too) But we are quite happy to change plans if someone has the right answer
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Jan 14, 2019 13:22:28 GMT
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Yes, it should be fine. Real high compression ratios (like 11:1+) would benefit from one, but with the full flow oiling and the deep sump there's much more oil to dissipate heat anyway. More important is having the correct, well fitting tinware in place, although there is no engine bay to seal up against! I'd get some gauges in place now, see what the little engine does in terms of temp for oil and cylinder head, then when the big engine goes in, try to keep them about the same. Disclaimer: my 2007cc motor in my Beetle has just a stock doghouse cooler, 10.5:1 compression ratio and no gauges, so I don't always follow my own advice to the letter... I’m too slow typing typed the response above and then couldn’t get phone reception That’s sort of what I was led to believe, and with the UK being slightly cooler generally we thought we should be ok The Acewell speedo has a digital temp readout that we need to connect up (was going to be done last year, but I kept losing the sensor!) it’s now fitted in the engine and we’ll wire it up when we bring the Fug home... The plan was to get some readings from the 1300 and try to keep the 2007 to similar temps
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jamesd1972
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Jan 14, 2019 13:25:53 GMT
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If it works it works - you'll be down the railways looking for signalling wire to pay for all this before we know it ! Going to be a bit frisky with the new motor. James
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luckyseven
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Jan 14, 2019 14:23:52 GMT
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I only asked because Dolly has utterly fox-pictured her engine and I want to build an epic mill that'll be future-proof for ever. Oil system is one of the things that baffled me the most... some say yay, some nay and the more I research it the more confused I get
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Jan 14, 2019 15:43:13 GMT
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Nick, there are lots of options, but just keep it simple. You're not trying to make 600bhp so follow what others have already done. I think I said this before - build as big as you can and low stress. John Maher (very well respected engine guy, plus a pretty decent drummer!) once told me I could build a 1776 or a 2276 and get both of them to run 12.99 on the 1/4 mile, but the 1776 would need to be much wilder. For you, I'd go for a 2276cc with a pair of 40 or 44mm carbs, 9:1 compression, easy 120bhp. More compression, bigger cam, heads and carbs and its 180bhp. Less compression and a turbo and you're up to 250+bhp, but the big lazy one will get you where you want to be. Later on you can even change the carbs for EFI, which will up the power without sacrificing driveability.
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Jan 24, 2019 16:20:55 GMT
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Due to the cold weather, having a cold and apathy we didn’t get anything done at the weekend Went to a business I’ve done loads of work for over the last few years, had to pull in new supplies for a CNC mill and a lathe and various other supplies to new machines... the purpose of the visit was to disconnect these supplies and others as the business had been bought out last year, then asset stripped and all the machines were off to various places I find it really quite sad when this happens. Had a good root through the scrap metal bin though and scored some treasure Some bits of steel to remake the mudguard mounts Some letter and number punches, spring dividers and a few other bits and bobs And a vice, a big one! Just need something to bolt it to now And since it’s supposed to be cold this weekend, we have a plan in place for that too..... we are going to sort the heads out in the house... hopefully no one will notice engine parts in the house and we’ll get away with it
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