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Jun 16, 2016 17:25:13 GMT
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Slowly Slowly, my tires for the front have turned up, 175/50/15s with the car at about ride height a couple of things have become very obvious, Firstly, I have about 40mm before the wheel hits the top of the inner wing, sounds like the filling rattler springs @ 650lbs are going to be needed, . . . Secondly, The tires are a little bit tight to the lip, I have options to help, I have rolled the lip, I could stretch the arch a touch, or possibly faff about with the top suspension arm and move it inboard 6mm this in turn will give me a nice bit of neg camber, and about 9/10mm extra clearance at the arch
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Jun 16, 2016 19:38:17 GMT
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The bit of camber looks nice, helps turn in and solves a problem so its a no brainer really? ? What happened to the other wheels?? :-(
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v8ian
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Jun 16, 2016 20:16:46 GMT
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The bit of camber looks nice, helps turn in and solves a problem so its a no brainer really? ? What happened to the other wheels?? :-( Which "Other Wheels", the JAPs?
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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v8ian
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Jun 17, 2016 19:44:43 GMT
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Had a lazy day today, A35 computer research can be time consuming, trying how to work out a suitable/easy/inexpensive way or introducing some degree of negative camber, bearing in mind, the car was designed to run on Cross Plys, which means not a lot of camber, radials do turn in much better with a reasonable amount of camber, the suspension design on the front is not particularly stable under braking as the top suspension arm is the shock absorber A35 type shock, MGB type Shock. several options have turned up with my search, which seem to be some very expensive fabricated top a arms and brackets, a bit out of my budget at the moment, so I looked at these, Twin lever arm shocks from a MGB, similar in design, I asked the question, can it be done??? and there is a company making adapter plates to mount MGB shocks on a MG Midget platform, similar to a A35. which in essence are plates that bolt to the shock mounting pad, but have studs facing upwards allowing the MGB shock to bolt to it, the studs are in a slots allowing them to side in and out, making the camber adjustable, pics will follow, One little job done today was a final mockup of the brakes just to ensure the wheels clear----- They DO, the caliper bracket fouls the bottom A arm, nothing that a swift touch with a mill wont cure.
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Last Edit: Jun 17, 2016 19:45:45 GMT by v8ian
Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Jun 17, 2016 19:47:52 GMT
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Think you cursed this build by using the word ,"quick" ! Slow and steady.....
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v8ian
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Jun 17, 2016 19:57:48 GMT
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Think you cursed this build by using the word ,"quick" ! Slow and steady..... I did say.......HOPEFULLY
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Jun 17, 2016 22:37:00 GMT
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The bit of camber looks nice, helps turn in and solves a problem so its a no brainer really? ? What happened to the other wheels?? :-( Which "Other Wheels", the JAPs? Yup.
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Had a lazy day today, A35 computer research can be time consuming, trying how to work out a suitable/easy/inexpensive way or introducing some degree of negative camber, bearing in mind, the car was designed to run on Cross Plys, which means not a lot of camber, radials do turn in much better with a reasonable amount of camber, the suspension design on the front is not particularly stable under braking as the top suspension arm is the shock absorber A35 type shock, MGB type Shock. several options have turned up with my search, which seem to be some very expensive fabricated top a arms and brackets, a bit out of my budget at the moment, so I looked at these, Twin lever arm shocks from a MGB, similar in design, I asked the question, can it be done??? and there is a company making adapter plates to mount MGB shocks on a MG Midget platform, similar to a A35. which in essence are plates that bolt to the shock mounting pad, but have studs facing upwards allowing the MGB shock to bolt to it, the studs are in a slots allowing them to side in and out, making the camber adjustable, pics will follow, One little job done today was a final mockup of the brakes just to ensure the wheels clear----- They DO, the caliper bracket fouls the bottom A arm, nothing that a swift touch with a mill wont cure. Sneaky little edit there Ian. I looked at the photos of the shocks for ages ,trying to spot the difference. Gave it up as a bad job and went to bed. Saw the difference straight away this morning. Amazing what a good nights sleep can do
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Last Edit: Jun 18, 2016 9:42:00 GMT by steveg
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v8ian
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Jun 18, 2016 10:43:45 GMT
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There are lots of ways to skin a cat, and a few ways to get the camber and suspension stability, one advantage with the system I have chosen is a ability to alter castor too, I think it one of those things that have just been a byproduct of using MGB shocks the midget trunion is narrower than the gap between the arms, this allows me to make spacers to offset the kingpin and gain castor if I think stability at speed needs it, I'm not sure of the longevity of the components if I pile in the castor tho. I did look at most of the options, a few being very expensive and not necessarily being the best for my solution for what I want, I'm just musing over the idea, should I need more camber, of buying offset trunion bushes, The MGB shock is also very easy to modify, and make it an adjustable unit, depending on the type of flow valve I use, its feasible to make it double adjustable, controllable for bump AND rebound, that might be a step to far!!! just go for simple adjustable.
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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v8ian
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Jun 27, 2016 16:44:24 GMT
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Time to get back to the welding, this Bad Boy turned up today, probably far more capable than I am, and more capable than I need too, but you never know whats on the horizon, somehow managed to get a WHOPPING discount on it otherwise it would have been a non starter all I need to do now is get it down a flight of stairs !!!!!! spec is here:- www.esab.co.uk/gb/en/products/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.product&productCode=430837
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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It's got four wheels, just ride it!
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Aug 10, 2016 15:34:10 GMT
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Last Edit: Aug 10, 2016 16:04:50 GMT by v8ian
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v8ian
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Aug 10, 2016 16:02:26 GMT
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Its been a while, its not that I havent been working on it its meant I have been getting time at work to get time to get on the mill to make bits and pieces, A35 front suspension mods are without a doubt one of the hardest I have tried to do, everything bites back, to get the van with less than 6" of ground clearance is nigh on impossible without the suspension bottoming out somewhere on something, clearance something and it fouls somewhere else, try to get stability in the kingpin and it starts to get expensive, so I have bitten the bullet to try and get the van sitting how I want, One of the problems I have had was the wheels fouling the top of the arch and virtually no availability to adjust the camber to where I would like, especially as the car ran originally on crossplys which don't tend to need camber like radials do. SO------------------- PLAYTIME!!!!!! as mentioned before the lever arms are a bit unstable, so, in my wisdom I have bought a telescopic conversion kit, which replaces the lever arm with a fabricated rocker arm and a telescopic that mounts on the side of the suspension.
theses are good but don't offer much, in any method of camber adjustment, so there were obtained slider plates which allows the fitment of MGB shocks to the A35 and a modicum of adjustment BUT dosent allow me to fit my new suspension arms as the bolt pattern is different between Mgb and A35 shocks. these plate are fabbed and allow fro 25mm adjustment of camber adjustment!!!!!!!!!! at the top of the wheel it may even multiply to 45mm of adjustment? Time to make some alloy adapters so the slider plates will fit the A35 bits Now this is all very good but, as I have raised the top Aarm fulcrum pivot point by 30mm it does alter the angles between the top and bottom wishbone so they sort of point towards each other, SO by raising the lower wishbone outer pivot point, all can be adjusted back into the realms of sensibility, this mod will effectively lift the spindle by 30mm, which in turn, will lower the car by 30mm, more to the point, it gives me clearance for suspension movement, 5/8" Chrome molly RoseJoints will work for this, Original wishbone, Modified wishbone Partial result with everything mocked up in situ, the plumb line shows how much camber I have obtained, I can get another 30mm at the top of the wheel. I now have scope to lower the car another 30mm before fouling problems, its starting to move in the right direction
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Last Edit: Aug 10, 2016 16:12:06 GMT by v8ian
Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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v8ian
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Progress is slow, but things are still progressing, Ordered some new springs from Brost Forge, to the same spec as the A35 academy race series cars, but with reversed rear eye and slightly less temper, all good except the bush eyes were made the wrong dia, took some searching but I eventually found Morris Minor Van poly bushes fitted the springs, all good but now I have to make new spring pins and shackles not a big deal, but it seems everything with this build is fighting back...... Spot the difference, A35 Van spring, and a A35 academy style spring, they must save about 30lbs each spring too,
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Last Edit: Nov 7, 2016 18:41:55 GMT by v8ian
Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Nice work, love the wheel choice, this is going to look amazing. Dan
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A quick build......... qwerty
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Good to see you persevering. Will all be worth it in the end!
Tom
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wow....waaaaay beyond my capabilities!....excellent work
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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v8ian
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Nov 16, 2016 20:23:54 GMT
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dropped it on the floor, just to see how low it sits, yep it is!!!!!!! Need to mod/trim the rear arch lips a bit, nowt major, about 3mm each side and it will be the mutts...........and chop the sump, its VERY low.....
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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