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Jan 28, 2016 11:30:14 GMT
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Hope this doesn't get deleted but just a question,
Who makes a living from cars? Retro or new, parts etc
Basically I've just finished an apprenticeship as an electrician on the 21st of December and the company went bust on 31st of December so I'm currently at home.
I've applied for about 10 jobs but none are to do with being an electrician as I don't want to get up in the mornings to do a job i don't enjoy.
My father has been in intensive care for nearly two weeks so it's been useful so I can visit him as much as I can and help when he gets back home, he's also got cancer which we don't know if it can be operated on yet so how long I have with my dad could be cut short. I want to do something in life that I enjoy.
So cars are my main interest, and something I enjoy,
Not looking at anything full time as I know it's not quite as simple as it sounds, but what are people doing to make extra cash from cars? Then possibly make it more a full time thing at a later date.
Buying selling complete cars? Selling parts Selling damaged cars/projects
Just after people's thoughts,
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Jan 28, 2016 12:36:47 GMT
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Hi, It depends how much you know about how the motor trade works. You need contacts to be able to pick cars up economically and know who is likely to want to buy the parts or the cars again afterwards. My suggestion would be to get a job that brings you into contact with the motor trade, something like a delivery driver for a motor factors. They are nearly always looking for drivers, it could be done part time at first which may help in your present circumstances.
Colin
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mylittletony
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Who makes a living from cars? mylittletony
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Jan 29, 2016 12:22:59 GMT
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How about an auto electrician??
A lot of people are happy to tackle the mechanicals, but when you get an electrical problem they're stumped.
As an example, there's a chap who re-wires motorbikes (I think he's called Ferret or something...) he's booked for months.
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froggy
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Jan 29, 2016 13:47:24 GMT
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If you like cars the fastest way to cure yourself is working in the motor trade unless your proper petrol in the blood type . Scraps on its so plenty of cheap mot failure and projects about but turning a profit is easier said than done especially selling cheapies as people's expectations of a £500 runner is hilarious and why I don't do it anymore . As said parts drivers jobs are easy to get as the staff turnover is huge
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Jan 29, 2016 16:53:31 GMT
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I work for myself repairing cars, it's mostly welding work but I do general mechanical type stuff regularly too, clutches, brakes, mot work ect. I started doing it on a part time basis to help cover the rent on a unit I had taken on to work on my own cars, I was in full time employment as an engineer at the time but my heart wasn't in it. About a year and a half ago I was offered redundancy so took it and tried going more full time with the car stuff to see how it would go. It was a struggle at first but now I'm having to turn work away because I've got so much on, and I'm finally doing something I enjoy for a living.
Selling cars for a living isn't as easy as it sounds from my experience. I've tried turning over a few cheapies when they have been offered to me for peanuts but even then I haven't made much and it's a lot of messing about for not a lot of gain imo.
I can fully understand you wanting to spend as much time with your dad as you can. I lost my dad to cancer so I know how important it is to make the most of someone while you can. I hope that things pan out well with your dad.
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Jan 29, 2016 18:41:10 GMT
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I spent years in the motor trade in all sorts of different positions,it's not what it once was imho.
I had my own little garage for a while,sold a few cheapies and did general repairs and servicing.Didn't work out for me long term but i'm glad i had a go.As said above what people expect from a £500 car is beyond reasonable and there is not much money in it if you are a responsible seller.
I worked for various large dealerships too.I was a bit of a jack of all trades.I would do PDI's,parts counter,deal with the auctions and prepping PX's to go to the block all sorts of stuff.I enjoyed that job,got a lot of decent free stereos and loose change etc! I used to be able to buy any PX's at standing value to the dealership as well,i.e what they really had in them rather than what the customer thought they had been given ! I bought a few bargains that way and there was potential to make money out of that. I think most of what i did is covered by a job called "vehicle progressor" nowadays.
I was the only person on site with a forklift licence so i was quite in demand for that reason too.It's suprising how much that was needed,everything from unloading drums of oil off wagons to lifting new shells into the bodyshop and shifting engines and boxes around.
I had a short stint as a parts driver/rep to cover someones illness.They have a big staff turnover because it's a poor job really.Most will be offering minimum wage,but it's not really unpleasant work and you can make some good trade contacts. If you were going that route i would suggest being a driver for a dealership rather than a big factors like Andrew Page.I remember Page's drivers telling me they were run ragged where the deslership lads had a much easier life.
You would probably make more money as a qualified spark than fiddling about in the motor trade,but thats not everything i know.I made the same decisions myself to spend time with people i care about rather than chase money. Best of luck with your Dad mate
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Jan 29, 2016 18:56:34 GMT
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Have you got your part P for signing stuff off? If so you should be able to pick and choose what time and days you want to work as a sparkie and make a lot more money doing a few days a week than you would shifting on a few cheapies.
A lesson I learned a long time ago is that there is far more money to be made for less work from higher priced cars than repairing and selling on £50 MOT failures. Theres plenty of people playing at being traders on Facebook though. The best way to get cheapies is to get known with the staff at your local big dealerships - the type that send the cheap part-exs straight for fragging as its easier and they don't get any come back from someone excepting a 3 year 100,000 mile warranty on a £500 car. They won't want to be mucked about though so you may not get to pick and choose.
Hope all goes well with your Dad
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2016 18:57:05 GMT by dodgerover
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djefk
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Jan 30, 2016 13:39:12 GMT
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I would seriously think about sticking with your trade by finding a job that builds on it that you find rewarding, then doing car stuff on the side for fun. I will never forget a bloke I met who gave up his career to start a business restoring Triumphs. He told me he worked all hours for peanuts and basically had come to resent what was once his hobby! Failing that, if you insist then as mylittletony says, auto sparkles do alright. I would aim to set yourself up as self employed asap doing that.
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Last Edit: Jan 30, 2016 13:40:19 GMT by djefk
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Jan 30, 2016 16:21:49 GMT
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Cheers for the replys and advice.
My dad is coming out of intensive care any time now, he's been ready to go to a normal ward but they haven't got a bed for him.
He's better but still has cancer,
Electrician stuff you can earn good money, but it's a lot of messing around unless I do it on my own,
I've done 60 hour weeks for 5 years, barely seen my friends and family so I defiantly don't want to get into that again.
I agree about the part p, I might get that with 17th and testing and maybe set up more just on my own.
I love messing with cars, I could specialise more in one area of cars, and offer a service. I do like upholstery, found a few courses for car trimmers. Might be worth a look.
Do sparky a few days to get enough to cover the bills then play with cars for the rest of the time.
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Jan 30, 2016 17:04:50 GMT
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I have always thought of trying something new , seeing people start up on there own and make a fortune . However as i have got older and clocked up the working years [ 18 ] , i have come to realise that most of these people have spent years doing it and its been after they have made many contacts , either customers poached from previous employment or customers they know already who will require there services .
If your going to do something on your own make sure you have work already built up or conctacts as i think it would be nigh on impossible to build up steady work from nothing unless your lucky .
You sound like you are working far to much for little reward , try to look at things diiferently and prioritise what you want out of life . I used to earn 46k a year but it almost finished me , I'm now on much less but happier and can see what life is about properly , seeing the trees through the wood so to speak .
Keep your chin up and best of luck with your dad .
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Jan 30, 2016 19:24:46 GMT
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The guy I bought my Audi from sold cars for a living from home, he just had a couple at a time, he said it's hard as you can easily have a 2 week period where you don't sell something. So what he does is work evenings in a pizza place so he always has some cash to live on if he has a little while where something doesn't sell.
I agree with skylinedave, at one point I was earning more than I knew what to do with. But I was up at 5.30am and getting in late every night. Sometimes I had time for a shower, a meal and an hour with the missus then it was bedtime. Life was a blur. I'm working a lot less hours and making a lot less money, but much happier in myself.
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Jan 30, 2016 19:46:20 GMT
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A after thought to the o.p , one of my friends trained as a electrician doing factory installations and stuff , when his apprenctiship came to a end they decided they didnt want to keep it on a he was pretty lazy and didnt enjoy it . Whilst there he also had outside contracters in from a local reputable firm and they took him on as a estimater , basically pricing up jobs and dealing with customers , no hands on stuff .
He has been doing that for 13 years now and happy as larry , company bmw etc , office hours .
Perhaps something to bare in mind , diversifying from your current role .
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MrSpeedy
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Jan 30, 2016 20:19:05 GMT
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From what I've seen, good auto electricians are in short supply.
Could be worth a little side-step if you like that kind of thing
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benjy_b
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Join the railway!
Inflated wages Low working hours (I'm contracted to 35 hours per week) Shift work Great benefits Great pension Relatively secure job
It gives you plenty of time off to spend with your loved ones and allows you to work on your cars in the free time.
If you want to get mucky, train to be a fitter.
From my experience, if you work full time in the motor trade, you will soon get bored with cars and start to resent working on your own.
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ZXRob
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I have been a mechanic for 13 years and I love it still. I love cars and I love getting my hands dirty and sorting them out, but I never enjoy working on my own cars any more. I used to do quite a lot of jobs from home for friends and family and the like and I think that's what ruined it for me (doing a job for a friend has no benefit to you what so ever!). I stopped all that when I moved to Germany and now have more free time and enjoy the work I do day to day. If I am doing a job for a friend now I do it in the workshop at work and only do small stuff as it is a bother! Setting up on your own in the motor trade isn't something you can do overnight you need contacts, experience and most of all time! I know a few people who have set up there own garages and they are working constantly, even when they aren't physically at work mentally they are. It's hard work for little reward, buying and selling used cars is very risky and stressful too!
Sorry for the negative vibes!
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I left my full time job at the end of November and started to buy and sell cars.
We even bought a detached house on the edge of a quiet village with a large garage away from the house and 2 driveways (and a decent amount of space between us and the neighbours) so i don't need to worry about premises to begin with. We were due to move in beginning of December but hasn't happened yet......
The job i left was pretty intense as i had to be on top of all the goings on in the workshop and everything coming in and going out from all over the world and would spend time sat at home thinking about all the things i needed to get done once back in the office in the morning.
One day (i was actually in Egypt on business for 4 days and was missing my family a lot) it just hit me that this isn't the kind of life i planned for myself, i remember my dad working a lot when i was little and me not seeing him as much as i would of liked. So i sat up that night and drew out a basic business plan to present to the wife on my return home.......
I am very lucky with the fact we live with the very understanding in laws so if i don't make enough one month they are here to cover the essentials.
I get to take my kids to school and pick them up and sit and have lunch with the Mrs and the little 'Un and we get to drive around in whatever cars we have on the drive at that time.
I've not made a huge amount but the kids and Mrs have everything they ask for (and theres a volvo axle sat under the rear of the Datsun :-) ) and I'm here with them, I find it easier to switch off or over to looking at the retros on here and proud of the work i do.
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Neil
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When I was a kid I was absolutely mad on cars, couldn't get enough of them. When I left school I did an apprenticeship as a technician with Nissan. After my time with Nissan I went to Mazda / Suzuki. Ten years past and I had to leave, my love for cars had almost disappeared and the motor trade in its self (for me personally) was curse word. I now do something completely different and have got my love back for cars, plus I'm on more money and happier at work. Last thing I wanted to do after working on cars all day was to get home and play with mine, now I can't wait!
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Last Edit: Feb 8, 2016 12:11:35 GMT by Neil
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me. anything that comes to my shop.
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