robdhc
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Jan 27, 2016 10:30:42 GMT
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Hello, I'm sure most of you are already of aware of this but I thought I'd post up on here too as I've not seen it on this forum yet. No doubt most of us on here will have some vested interest! Doesn't take long to fill in, every little helps. Was at 358 yesterday morning, now over 10,000. So good to keep the momentum flowing! petition.parliament.uk/petitions/119497Thanks, Rob
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Jan 27, 2016 11:15:34 GMT
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i think the main issue is that you could easily trundle round in a 1990 205GR and have it perform all daily duties. this was the failure of the 1995 historic vehicle class, it ended up incentivising driving old cars, rather than being a bonus to classic car owners, which pretty much defies all current gvmt policies, emissions, safety, more importantly their revenue.
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Rich G
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Jan 27, 2016 11:23:45 GMT
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It’s already been up here a gazillion times before and I’ll give you the same response I gave all the rest…
I will NOT be signing it! Why would the government give you “free” tax? All it does is neatly define a large group that can be singled out for special treatment. You need to look at the bigger picture rather than saving a measly £200 a year – I’d much rather pay £16 a month and be in the PLG tax band so I can drive my car when I want to.
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2016 11:24:19 GMT by Rich G
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Jan 27, 2016 12:02:00 GMT
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Well its up to to you .You do what you think is right ,For me i have signed for it..
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Jan 27, 2016 12:05:22 GMT
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All it does is neatly define a large group that can be singled out for special treatment. or rather, not so special treatment, like limited mileage, no modifications, staying out of metro areas etc
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Jan 27, 2016 12:06:08 GMT
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It’s already been up here a gazillion times before and I’ll give you the same response I gave all the rest… I will NOT be signing it! Why would the government give you “free” tax? All it does is neatly define a large group that can be singled out for special treatment. You need to look at the bigger picture rather than saving a measly £200 a year – I’d much rather pay £16 a month and be in the PLG tax band so I can drive my car when I want to. So how would having free road tax stop you driving your car when you want to? Ask yourself this question if someone offered you £200 to do with what you want every year would you take it? If not then you obviously have more money than sense.
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robdhc
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Jan 27, 2016 12:16:48 GMT
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Sense this might start a big debate, which I wasn't expecting... For the record I didn't start the petition, I only shared on it here in case others were interested. I signed it, hoping to save £200 a year, without really thinking it would ever actually be achieved, nor the consequences if it were! But then again I'm young and naïve Rob
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Jan 27, 2016 12:18:16 GMT
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Ask yourself this question if someone offered you £200 to do with what you want every year would you take it? If not then you obviously have more money than sense. i think his point was, if you have a car older than 25 years and 200 quid a year is make or break, you probably shouldnt be owning 25 year old cars. me personally, 200 quid isnt make or break, and i don't own cars older than 40 years specifically to save 200 quid a year, because thats preposterous in the grand scheme of running costs. however, if you are into land rovers an are on ebay often, youll see people quite happy to drive round in ringers for 200 quid saving, and it be a selling feature. plus when historic vehicle class was introduced in 1995 they grossly underestimated how stingy people are, as the number of 25 + years old cars that returned to the road tripled, in todays %'s that would be 3/4 of a million extra vehicles
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Jan 27, 2016 12:19:49 GMT
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Although I don't think the 25year exemption will happen having a RFL exempt car does not stop it being used a daily driver nor are there are restrictions on its use, no restrictions on mileage and no restrictions on modifications other than the same restrictions every other paying motorist faces. The only reason I don't use my tax exempt cars as daily drivers is the simple reason that I havw a company vehicle and don't need a car during the work week, If I did I wouldn't hesitate in using the car.
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2016 12:24:15 GMT by Deleted
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Jan 27, 2016 12:24:56 GMT
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the govt of whatever flavour will not simply skip from 40year rolling expemtion to 25year (so basically from 1976 to 1991). The math don't add up. you only have to look at the road fund changes coming in 2017 to see it.
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Jan 27, 2016 12:32:59 GMT
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Wow look, I've saved £200 on car tax. Oh look, another tax I pay has gone up £200.
Basically, if the government lose money one way, they will get it back another.
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"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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Jan 27, 2016 12:43:41 GMT
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Although I don't think the 25year exemption will happen having a RFL exempt car does not stop it being used a daily driver nor are there are restrictions on its use, no restrictions on mileage and no restrictions on modifications other than the same restrictions every other paying motorist faces. agree, right now. although in 2012 it was headline news that EU was trying to implement regs which would limit classic vehicles to a type approval system (basically ruling out the ability to modify) and also last year head line news about banning +20 year old cars from paris. having a historic vehicle class does conveniently pigeon hole us separately and stick our head above the parapet, compared to "every other paying motorist"
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2016 12:44:13 GMT by darrenh
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Jan 27, 2016 12:54:24 GMT
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With fuel prices dropping now is a prefect time for a petition to abolish VED all together and simply add an additional charge "at the pump" to cover.
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mikeymk
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Jan 27, 2016 13:55:19 GMT
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The rolling exemption was reinstated, but they couldn't back-date it. So it was effectively paused by Labour and that damage can't be undone.
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Jan 27, 2016 14:11:41 GMT
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With fuel prices dropping now is a prefect time for a petition to abolish VED all together and simply add an additional charge "at the pump" to cover. Doubt that would ever happen, imagine the uproar from people with £0 tax cars.
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Jan 27, 2016 20:13:07 GMT
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I wouldn't moan about paying an extra penny or two on fuel instead of RFL as it probably would save me money with my £500 per year Volvo and my classics that are not exempt. My annual mileage is less than 5000.
BUT what about my company truck which is rated at £165 a year RFL, does 10 MPG and as it can be on the road for 15 hours a day the mileage is high I can use 200 litres in one day, increasing the road tax/ fuel would mean passing the costs onto the customer?
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craig1010cc
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Jan 27, 2016 21:00:04 GMT
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What I found daft with this one was the premis that younger people can't afford classic cars. If they did roll it back out to 25 years, it would increase the value of those cars that fall in the 'new' bracket and the saving of £200 a year wouldn't cover it. Plus if you can't afford to tax it each year, you prob can't afford the extra running costs of a classic comp to a newer car anyway
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Jan 27, 2016 22:11:14 GMT
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I have an interest in this, as my car is 31 years old. Would I like to get free tax? Definitely! It wouldn't really make a lot of difference, but is £200 that could go somewhere else like getting the car running again. I take the point about becoming singled out, such as being banned from cities, but have heard talk that my "modern" Clio may be banned in a few years, so tax might not make much difference! Are there really that many 25 - 40 year old cars that it is going to cost the government that much? I would suggest it will cost a miniscule percentage of the cost of scrapping paper tax discs.
Don't approve of tax on (more) tax on fuel. It would actually save me money, as I don't use the cars a lot, but would cripple many companies and increase costs greatly, so increasing prices..
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VIP
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Jan 27, 2016 22:13:27 GMT
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With fuel prices dropping now is a prefect time for a petition to abolish VED all together and simply add an additional charge "at the pump" to cover. To offset the loss in revenue from VED, you'd need to add around £0.40 to a litre of fuel. Would you be happy with that?
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2016 22:26:51 GMT by VIP
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ChasR
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Jan 27, 2016 23:32:05 GMT
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With fuel prices dropping now is a prefect time for a petition to abolish VED all together and simply add an additional charge "at the pump" to cover. To offset the loss in revenue from VED, you'd need to add around £0.40 to a litre of fuel. Would you be happy with that? Indeed, and I am sure Courier and Taxi drivers would not appreciate that bump ; Peugeot 2.0 HDIs do not achieve the nonsensical EU figures that are published in such duties and with DPFs I am sure that stands for modern diesels as well. I will be another one not to sign it. Considering my car is very highly modified and there is talk of cars now coming under vehicle exemption but now with the owners being asked to confirm whether the car is completely original or not I'd rather stick with what is here. In France you cannot legally modify a retro ; With a car like mine and others it would see them being scrap years ago and I persoanlly do not want a Q plate on the car and all of the agro that comes with it (insurance, tax (weren't we trying to get that free in the first place?)
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2016 23:32:57 GMT by ChasR
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