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These engines make for a quick car, obviously that's relative to cars of today but, in standard form, it will easily hold its own in traffic. If anything Id be looking at the gearing, diff ratios/OD gearboxes to get as much out of the fuel consumption as is possible. Superb save, this one. its got a 4 speed with overdrive atm so i will probably leave the tranny alone, but i will have a look in the near future at different rear diffs. thanks for the advice |
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djefk
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Ah if that's all you're looking for from it then you're in for a pleasant surprise when you get it on the road!
As overdrive is standard equipment for Sceptres the engine will be turning over at 3200 RPM at 70 mph and will be extremely relaxed, as long as you replace every rubber seal you find (wind whistling passed worn rubbers is not fun, plus after all the work you done to the bottom half you'd be nuts not to!), plus you've thoroughly checked all steering components for wear and topped up the oil in the steering box of course (EP90 I believe).
In fact these are capable of refined cruising at 80-85 mph plus, if you're in more of a hurry.
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Last Edit: Feb 4, 2015 0:30:49 GMT by djefk
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Ah if that's all you're looking for from it then you're in for a pleasant surprise when you get it on the road! As overdrive is standard equipment for Sceptres the engine will be turning over at 3200 RPM at 70 mph and will be extremely relaxed, as long as you replace every rubber seal you find (wind whistling passed worn rubbers is not fun, plus after all the work you done to the bottom half you'd be nuts not to!), plus you've thoroughly checked all steering components for wear and topped up the oil in the steering box of course (EP90 I believe). In fact these are capable of refined cruising at 80-85 mph plus, if you're in more of a hurry. Now that would be a nice surprise, I've kinda gotten rid of all the old rubbers because the were perished, so new ones are definitatly on my list. My dad drove it to its current resting place and said the steering was okay, but the suspension needs work as it was rather barge like. hopefully lowering its centre of gravity and some new bushes and shocks should help with that |
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My dad had an automatic Sceptre , that wasnt a slow car, i think you'll be surprised how perky it is. :-)
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so this was today task, fix and repair this part of the drivers side inner sill. this bit was rather important as it helps supports the rear seats and the floor. so heres what it looked like to start with  i drew up some quick designs to give me a rough idea what i needed to do.    next i made said panels    preping the area, sadly grinder only reached the first 2cm so i had to do the rest by hand. i got of most of the rust using sandpaper, then cure-rusted the rest after welding and then sprayed in rust proofing paint  the almost finished piece.  i still need to grind back the rear of the panels as i left plenty of metal left just incase i needed it, turns out i didnt. its also the reason the panels are longer than needed.  and for those interested, here's my body work to do list:  i'm extremely close to being able to weld the drivers outer sill on,only a few small jobs left then i can. my excitement is building |
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That looks like a horrible repair for access. I don't envy you doing that one bit.
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yeah it was rather fiddliy and required some interesting angles with the welder. but got the job done in end with only a few splatter burns.
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My first ever car. Red with a black vinyl roof. Cream Leather and the rear passengers had there own fag lighter!! I think I paid 100 quid.1977 Oh I never drove it cause it had an electrical fault and would not start plus I had not passed my test. Proud tho.  Good work scatman.Bookmarked |
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Feb 11, 2015 10:20:19 GMT
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My first ever car. Red with a black vinyl roof. Cream Leather and the rear passengers had there own fag lighter!! I think I paid 100 quid.1977 Oh I never drove it cause it had an electrical fault and would not start plus I had not passed my test. Proud tho. Good work scatman.Bookmarked I'm curious to know why your brought a car that wouldnt start and when you had no License, was it for a project? in which case how come you never kept it for when you got your License? and what happened to the car afterwards? (your post left so many open questions, i just had to ask) they were rather fancy cars for the day and i do lovethe rear fag lighter. thanks for the bookmark |
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Feb 11, 2015 20:40:53 GMT
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THATS IT, GAME OVER, GOOD TRY FOLKS. the passenger side sill of this is just to far gone and other repairs make it uneconomical to repair, even in a heart over head view, this car would have to mean something ultra special to you to put the money and effort in to saving it. so sadly the car will soon cease to be. however i am trying to salvage (and sell) as much as possible to keep other ones on the road. so if you do need any bits please feel free to pm, i do have some spare panels aswell as what comes with from factory. thanks for all your interest and motivation folks  (i will post some pics of it up soon) |
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Feb 11, 2015 21:25:54 GMT
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Are you sure? You have some amazing skills. I would have given up as soon as the alcoholbuzz of the buying moment went away...
not gonna give it a shot?
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Feb 11, 2015 21:43:22 GMT
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keep at it
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Feb 11, 2015 22:12:30 GMT
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yeah sadly guys i'm sure at this point in time i don't have the space/time/tools/money to do the task to a high enough standard. there is no integral strength in the left hand side of the car, i am actually some what suprised it hasnt folded up upon itself. all doors need reskinning, there are holes literally every where, i'm pretty sure it would need to be Q plated to become road legal due to all the metal that need replacing. but honestly, thank you all for your kind words. |
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Feb 11, 2015 22:18:24 GMT
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You may feel different tomorrow - I hope you don't bale out.
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Feb 11, 2015 22:27:04 GMT
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THATS IT, GAME OVER, GOOD TRY FOLKS. the passenger side sill of this is just to far gone and other repairs make it uneconomical to repair, even in a heart over head view, this car would have to mean something ultra special to you to put the money and effort in to saving it. so sadly the car will soon cease to be. however i am trying to salvage (and sell) as much as possible to keep other ones on the road. so if you do need any bits please feel free to pm, i do have some spare panels aswell as what comes with from factory. thanks for all your interest and motivation folks (i will post some pics of it up soon) Sometimes you have to know when to call it a day. A sad fact of life but you really cannot save them all. Some sterling work there fella, you have learned a huge amount which will stand you in good stead come the next car. Its been a damn good read and pretty inspirational, you repaired areas that looked way beyond repair!! Onwards and upwards! |
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Feb 11, 2015 22:45:16 GMT
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THATS IT, GAME OVER, GOOD TRY FOLKS. the passenger side sill of this is just to far gone and other repairs make it uneconomical to repair, even in a heart over head view, this car would have to mean something ultra special to you to put the money and effort in to saving it. so sadly the car will soon cease to be. however i am trying to salvage (and sell) as much as possible to keep other ones on the road. so if you do need any bits please feel free to pm, i do have some spare panels aswell as what comes with from factory. thanks for all your interest and motivation folks (i will post some pics of it up soon) Sometimes you have to know when to call it a day. A sad fact of life but you really cannot save them all. Some sterling work there fella, you have learned a huge amount which will stand you in good stead come the next car. Its been a damn good read and pretty inspirational, you repaired areas that looked way beyond repair!! Onwards and upwards! Thank you very much I have learned quite a bit (like inspect a car a bit closer before buying it) and at the end of the day its a life experience and I can at least say I tried. And for the next car, well, any one got any ideas? |
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Feb 11, 2015 23:06:05 GMT
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Sometimes you have to know when to call it a day. A sad fact of life but you really cannot save them all. Some sterling work there fella, you have learned a huge amount which will stand you in good stead come the next car. Its been a damn good read and pretty inspirational, you repaired areas that looked way beyond repair!! Onwards and upwards! Thank you very much I have learned quite a bit (like inspect a car a bit closer before buying it) and at the end of the day its a life experience and I can at least say I tried. And for the next car, well, any one got any ideas? theres a FSO for sale on here that needs a bit of welding!!!! buy that and then you think the humber is a new car!!! |
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Feb 11, 2015 23:38:36 GMT
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Sit down, have a think and if possible put it on one side for a few days.
Q plate doesn't come into it as long as you only replace like for like(ish)
You look to have done a load of welding already - can you buy any NOS panels to make life easier on you?
By the way, was it Stevie Wonder testing again where they passed it that last time?
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Feb 11, 2015 23:58:16 GMT
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I get the frustration but you've come so far! My BMW was in the same condition, looked only a bit tired on top but needed to have the bottom 5 inches all round replaced when it came down to it.
At the very least I would look for a better car or shell and use the one you have as a donor - easiest and cheapest way to restore a car when you make one good car from combining the best bits of two.
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You have done some substantial work already, so the other side must be really bad with things like a free floating B pillar to need to walk away from it now. Morbid curiosity means I'd be interested in seeing just what horror show it presented you with! djefk speaks the truth when he says it might serve better as a donor car, there's a wealth of useful bits and pieces on the car you've got that could save another. You might even be lucky and find a car that's solid where this one isn't and swap parts in that direction. To save a really rotten car you have to really want to do it. There's absolutely no point making the effort if you come to hate every moment of it. |
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