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Dec 12, 2014 18:22:08 GMT
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Here's the question, I can buy a 2004 Nissan primastar with mot for £100 from my uncle as it has issues. Firstly...small bit of welding and a suspension strut, both no problem to me. The main issue is the engine. Since he has had it, he has had nothing but problems, different sensors failing, boost problems,wiring loom issues, pump issues etc etc. And now it's given up completely.
I hate modern diesels and all the associated electrics that ALWAYS fail. My question is, can this be converted to mechanical injection, or is there an engine that will fit easily which is mechanical? I want it to convert to a campervan but I don't want the modern engine.
Many thanks
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Dec 12, 2014 19:04:50 GMT
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Its a 1.9 Renault engine in there, varied what type of management it had depending on power levels.
best bet is to weigh the bloody thing in tbh, or sell it to a van breaker, you'll get more than £100 for it :lol:
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Dec 12, 2014 20:17:04 GMT
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Is probably possible, people have worked out how to fully mechanical injection the mk6 transits, what pump does it use ?
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joe90
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Dec 12, 2014 20:32:04 GMT
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Is probably possible, people have worked out how to fully mechanical injection the mk6 transits, what pump does it use ? Along with the trusty mechanical 2.5 DI engine |
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Dec 12, 2014 21:23:13 GMT
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I work with the m9r/m9t engine daily, truly terrible engines, constant seized injectors. Just throw it away
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Dec 12, 2014 21:51:07 GMT
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So telling me to scrap it or throw it away wasn't exactly what I asked :-\
I don't want to get rid, that's the whole point. Just the horrid modern engine. I like basic agricultural stuff that can be fixed or diagnosed in minutes by myself rather than with a computer at great expense
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Rich
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convert modern diesel to old skool?Rich
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Dec 12, 2014 22:21:28 GMT
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So telling me to scrap it or throw it away wasn't exactly what I asked :-\ I don't want to get rid, that's the whole point. Just the horrid modern engine. I like basic agricultural stuff that can be fixed or diagnosed in minutes by myself rather than with a computer at great expense Possibly just buy an OBD reader and repair it yourself? Most engine sensors are actually very cheap. Failing that, I don't know if the old Laguna 1.9 diesel will fit. But it's not agricultural. You'll struggle to make it into what you describe as 'old Skool'. You might be better off getting a transit.. |
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Dec 13, 2014 17:12:37 GMT
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Well that helped too.... Suggesting I get a transit when I am picking up a Nissan primastar?
By old skool I mean an engine not full of electronics.
Nevermind I'll ask somewhere else
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Dec 13, 2014 20:39:46 GMT
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Well i Just looked the pump up and it's a Bosch, unfortunately it doesn't look anything like a conventional pump! Apparently it's the same engine as a Vauxhall vivaro, maybe there is a forum for them where you may get more info on going mechanical?
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Dec 13, 2014 21:41:08 GMT
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yup, like I said, its a Renault common rail F9 engine in them whether it be a vivaro a traffic or a primastar.
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Rich
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convert modern diesel to old skool?Rich
@foxmcintyre
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Dec 13, 2014 21:47:50 GMT
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Well that helped too.... Suggesting I get a transit when I am picking up a Nissan primastar? By old skool I mean an engine not full of electronics. Nevermind I'll ask somewhere else And like I said, there isn't an engine that will bolt in and be 'old Skool', you'll have to either repair it, sell it, or fit something archaic. Your call. I am trying to be helpful but this as helpful as we can be. You can't just kludge a diesel pump off a 50's truck on it and it work. It's not that simple, as I imagine you know. |
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Dec 13, 2014 22:49:50 GMT
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I know, I appreciate the replies but I did ask 2 questions so it's only really worth replying if you know the answer...lol
Can that engine be converted to mechanical injection or is there a engine that will bolt in fairly easily.
All I needed to know. Probably not the ideal place to have asked in the first place anyway ;-)
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Dec 13, 2014 22:52:42 GMT
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I think you've had some good replies here mate, I know that none of them have been as clear as "oh, you need a <such and such part number>, they're a tenner on eBay" replies but the answer is probably not that simple.
If the engine was a development of something that was, at some point in the past, completely mechanical then that would be a good starting point.
What diesel engines are you more familiar with?
Maybe get one of them measured for fitting and find out if you can use the original gearbox?
Bear in mind that it's a 2004 van so if you don't do an engine swap and manage to convert the 2004 engine to something more simple and less electronically monitored then you'll still be getting MOT'd as a 2004 van and might have trouble with the emissions.
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Dec 13, 2014 22:55:35 GMT
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All I needed to know. Probably not the ideal place to have asked in the first place anyway ;-) Yeah, that's right, nobody on here is any good at engine swaps or identifying diesel fuel pumps or bonkers engine conversions. Get yourself over to the Nissan Primastar owner's club site, that'll be full of guys doing exactly what you want to do. |
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Dec 13, 2014 23:09:26 GMT
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Lol you idiot. Stop being pedantic. It's a modern van. Not slammed on banded steels or chopped springs.
Like I said. Probably not the best place. I asked 2 simple questions but as usual got the completely opposite reply of what I asked.
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Dec 13, 2014 23:11:17 GMT
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Your first reply was good....then you ruined it with the second one. I don't want part number etc. I just wondered of anyone here new of an engine that fitted. Jeez. I'll delete post as it's not getting me anywhere
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Dec 13, 2014 23:18:53 GMT
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Hahaha, have I become a troll? Apologies. Please follow the link to complete a short survey in which you can constructively criticise the level of support I have offered you during our interaction: bit.ly/13kTMB8 |
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Dec 13, 2014 23:24:03 GMT
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I would...but I won't.
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My question is, can this be converted to mechanical injection, or is there an engine that will fit easily which is mechanical? That engine cannot be converted to mechanical pump. No other engines fit that gearbox, or easily fit in that van. |
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp
1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon
1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered!
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Dec 14, 2014 13:08:13 GMT
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i looked into doing something like what you want to do a while ago because i could of got one of them vans cheap, never found anything about anyone doing one before. most of you problem is most people who own them vans are not the sort of people that play around wiv engines and fixing things so if they are not getting fixed at a garage they are scrapping them. anything is possible, my idea was to fit a mechanical lda pump and injectors if i could get them to fit the block if you could get it to run with them, which to be honest would be be a very slim. if it started you may have to modify the governor in the pump and injectors for more pressure to match the original. Or you could take an early engine and gearbox from something else fabricate engine mounts and drive shafts to suit. I don't think you will find any bolt on options for what you are looking for i couldn't and didn't want to spend the time on it. If you do i would be very interested in what you come up wiv. Also if you do get it going i believe vans after 2002 put out alot less emissions so you may never get it to pass an mot when finished.
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