MaxN
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Have you checked the injectors ?
I had a couple of bad ones that had a spray pattern that was more downpour than fine mist and it caused issues that were not too dissimilar to yours.
Following some random instructions on Youtube, I took a close look at the spray patterns and the flow rates.
I ended up replacing all (four) of mine, before I stuck them in I did a quick test and they all had a similar pattern and also flowed pretty much the same.
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ToolsnTrack
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Yea, I'm warming to injectors given the current ignition system is barely a year old.
If you have a link to bench testing them on Youtube it would be handy!
I'll test them to verify fault, but I can see me beefing up all 8.
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heathrobinson
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If they are playing up, you can clean them up in a little ultrasonic bath fairly easily Again, YouTube has the answers.
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MaxN
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I cannot find the exact link I used, but this ghetto setup gives you the basics.
I used a spare fuel pump to give me decent fuel pressure and a 12v battery to power it and the injector.
I did four tests..
1) Simple 'does it flow any fuel' to check for blocked injector. 2) Leak under pressure ? 3) Thirty cycles, measure how much fuel 4) Spray pattern, I used dark card to spray fuel onto to check it.
My car had 4 injectors - Two flowed pretty much the same and had nice spray patterns - One leaked fuel all the time and had a spray pattern that was a drizzle. In the test it put out a lot of excess fuel. - One worked intermittently and also had a horrible drizzle pattern.
I bought a pack of four as it was cheaper that way, when I tested the new ones, they were very well matched so I installed them and called it a day.
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ToolsnTrack
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Winner.
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125 seems a bit low, however all even which is good, did you open the throttle? how are the valve clearances looking? For a Rover V8? I don't have the most accurate meter but its consistent across all 4. Throttle was closed for test. That would explain a lower than expected result - would have expected to see closer to 150 psi A fully open throttle for the test (and all the plugs removed) gives the best results in terms of determining differences between cyl's
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ToolsnTrack
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That seems blatantly obvious... now. Should have thought of that!
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bstardchild
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That seems blatantly obvious... now. Should have thought of that! Everyday is a schoolday - I intend to only stop learning when I die
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To me, clean ports like that mean water is getting into the cylinder (maybe more than one cylinder and maybe not very much water) - weren't you looking for a water leak you couldn't find earlier on? As well as HGF, some larger versions of the RV8 are known for porous (cracked) cylinder liners. Not sure if yours would be on the danger list for that and I certainly wouldn't wish it on you, but something to be aware of before possibly wasting money elsewhere?
Plugs.... if the engine is running well the insulators on a injected engine will stay very clean for a long time (the plugs on my injected Vitesse still look new after nearly 4k and I've not added any water in that time). Injector problems are more likely to lead to dirty plugs IMO as the poorly atomised fuel burns less completely.
Nick
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My water leak turned out to be the radiator, or at least the "primary" leak was. I've replaced almost all of the non engine coolant system, so I may need to suck it and see for a while to establish if I am still losing water...
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an engine is still able to consume air with the throttles shut otherwise it wouldn't idle. the purpose of holding the throttles open during a compression test is to see how quick it builds pressure, which give a slight indication of leak down. having the throttles open has become a "necessary" wives tail because of that. it wont effect the max achievable being shut, it will just take longer
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Last Edit: Nov 9, 2015 18:31:43 GMT by darrenh
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God, 6 months of thread neglect. Poor show.
I won't go into the long winded cause of that, but to summarise ... The Chim is now out of the Skunkworks because, well, there is no more Skunkworks. At least, not in the current location.
I'm moving back to my homeland of Glasgow, so all projects and whatnot are scattered in various places in various states of completion.
The Chim I've decided to update simply because it was the only one that drove into its trailer for the move. Yup, winter hibernation over, and I actually got it running again
What's been done? Well as you can just about see, a new alloy rad is in there, which took some fiddling as its considerably thicker. I've silicone upgraded the last of the coolant lines so it's all as new again. I've started upgrading the intake but only sourced an elbow so far.
Less audible is the addition of a Walbro 240lph external pump. It's running healthy but I will address the suspect relay soon too, as soon as I work out which one it is. I've obviously sorted the leaking headers too. Got some fresh oil still to grow in her, along with a new sump gasket.
This month it will go for an MOT and see what's what. Hopefully not much else will be needed and I can use it for another summer of fun. Could use a fun toy right about now after 6 months of spannering!
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So why the move back to Glasgow? New job? Did you know I was born in Glasgow? No, of course you didn't. I hadn't told you. Bellshill to be accurate - we moved when I was 18 months old so I don't remember it. I'm told it's where the very best people come from. The 'Beverly Hills' of Scotland. Of course they could have been fibbing!
James
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So why the move back to Glasgow? New job? Did you know I was born in Glasgow? No, of course you didn't. I hadn't told you. Bellshill to be accurate - we moved when I was 18 months old so I don't remember it. I'm told it's where the very best people come from. The 'Beverly Hills' of Scotland. Of course they could have been fibbing! James Lack of old job mostly. My previous location is having a bit of a rennaisance at the moment, from thriving oil rich to not so much. I'm originally from.here anyway so duked out while the going was still good.
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For me, TVR ownership has been a gift until now. Preventative maintenance aside there has been nothing that has surprised me from the Chimaera, and in 2 years it has been nigh on one of my most reliable cars. As such, I can forgive this week's trauma: Failed brake master cylinder. As jobs on exotic cars go, this is one of the worst. The master cylinder is very hidden on these, (Its behind the clutch master cylinder through that access panel, hence the flushed in reservoir) but as is the remit of the adventure, I ensured I did the work myself. Let's just say I'll be glad if I never have to go it again, but I managed. You need to strip out the steering column, pedal box, and remove the whole assembly from the inside. But I got it after 13 hours of hell. Happy with that. If anything it's given me the mojo boost to crack on with it again. There will be more changes to follow. New rear tires for a start. Still worth it.
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6 months since an update.... shameful. So whats been happening? Well, after fitting the new master cylinder and enjoying a month of happy brakes, the misfire issue reared its ugly head again.. properly. So far i had swapped out fuel pump, relays and fuel line (not related but the lines were a bit ropey looking). I had scant issues after that, so in my usual fashion, I dug no further and left it. Big mistake. Cue a full TVR weekend, we all head out on convoy up north, and pop. Sizzle, smoke, and dead car. I wouldn't have been as miffed about this if I hadn't been in the middle of the Clackmannanshire bridge at the time. A few of the TVR boys doubled back and pushed us off the bridge, where she was once again loaded onto the back of a flatbed for a shame trip home. And there she sat. I;m ashamed to say, sat for several months too whilst I licked my wounds about finally killing it. Then, in the midst of winter, I got the coveralls on and got into it. After some digging it became clear on what had failed. The ECU. I pulled the cover off and found a ruddy big hole in the middle of the board, right in the middle of the fuel circuit that controls the injectors. This was starting to make sense... my clean exhaust bore on one injectors side, the constant barely-perceptible missing on load, the occasional drops in power.... the ECU was cooked, and had been frying for quite some time. OK, this would be easy then? Swap in another ECU and away we go? Well sadly not. My fear was that the ECU had been cooked by something else. Did i have a live short that had thrown a significant amount of amps up the ECU's farter and blown it? To throw another in and have it fail would be an expensive mistake. It was time to get deep. I started to remove the full loom in preparation to fault find the wiring. I needn't have bothered. Unsheathing the loom at the exit of the ECU end, I found many black earth wires that had melted, indicating a large umber of things. Mainly that the loom had seen too much heat, not enough earthing to the chassis, and given the hardening on many parts of the engine end, was unfit for use. OK, now chalk up a new loom to the bill. By now, said bill was becoming counter productive. I'm not one for simply replacing, and it would be hundreds for a new ECU and loom for it to have the same inherent issues. Time for aftermarket engine management. The bullet was bitten. In the end, after some research, I settled on Megasquirt. A lot of TVR circles look down on it, but after speaking to Phil at ExtraEFI I knew I had no doubts. The beauty here is the boys there do Rover V8's for breakfast, including the TVR, and as such a specific loom could be knocked up. I wont lie, it came in at the same price as a set of used Lucas components. No brainer. So... in my ethos of never replace: upgrade, I have come up gold again. Last night I started to get the parts on that had been steadily arriving. As the original lump uses very little in the way of technology to run its EFI (distrubuter and coil for ignition, 2 bank injection with MAF for fuel) there is considerable improvements to be made. First off, the new ECU will need a method of calculating engine position, so a crank trigger is needed: Enter the 36-1 specific trigger wheel for the serpentine RV8. Fitting was a scoosh, pull the old pulley off, remove dust cap and align up the teeth to the original timing mark, then bosh it back in.. ...pardon my dickbeaters blocking the view. Once on, the magnetic pick up was next. Again, Phils kit was childs play to work with, and the pick up was on in minutes, and adjusted to gap with ease. Stay tuned for more progress soon.
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froggy
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What's the new ignition set up ? Wasted spark or coil on plug?
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j4mes
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Good to see some updates on this Overdrive!
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What's the new ignition set up ? Wasted spark or coil on plug? Both. Using a pair of Bosch coil packs from a 4 banger VW, but the ECU will be based on EDIS wasted spark. Just got word the loom is ready! Sadly, on holiday next week but be ready for some big updates when I'm back.
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froggy
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Same as I use on my Lexus v8 , microsquirt edis8 and a pair of focus coils . I should imagine the map will be pretty close coming from Phil
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