qwerty
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Steel Seal etcqwerty
@qwerty
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Sept 21, 2014 7:39:25 GMT
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Anyone used any of these products?
Head gasket on the daily is starting to go (failed a head gasket test, but running spot on, using very little water about 1/4 litre in 300 miles) and the garage I use for the daily suggested Steel Seal. They also suggested I take it to them to do because apparently the instructions on the bottle are a load of rubbish and it would cost me £150 for them to do it. I laughed.
So is it snake oil or does it work? Easy to use? Any opinions gratefully received.
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Rich
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Steel Seal etcRich
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Sept 21, 2014 8:31:26 GMT
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Steel seal is excellent provided it's a head issue. Follow the instructions carefully and it seems to work well. We repaired a porus head on a VW PD diesel with steel seal, it's now absolutely fine. In the grand scheme of things, it's worth spending a little on steel seal to see if it does work before shelling out to do the H/G.
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qwerty
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Steel Seal etcqwerty
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Sept 21, 2014 12:26:26 GMT
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Exactly my thoughts rich. Incidentally its for a VAG PD so hopefully it will have good results.
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Sept 21, 2014 13:06:46 GMT
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My mate let me in on this stuff last month. He's done 4, K series engines with it now. All successful. Got to be worth a go if you ask me.
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Rich
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Steel Seal etcRich
@foxmcintyre
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Sept 21, 2014 13:23:52 GMT
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My mate let me in on this stuff last month. He's done 4, K series engines with it now. All successful. Got to be worth a go if you ask me. If it'll do a blown K, it's pretty tough stuff. I've yet to try to Rover with it but it's on the list. I've found however, if it isn't a Head issue, it won't do it. So there is that to bear in mind.
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Sept 21, 2014 15:16:55 GMT
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Steel seal is about £50 for a bottle isn't it. K Seal works for most things and is about £12?
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Rich
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Steel Seal etcRich
@foxmcintyre
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Sept 21, 2014 15:27:19 GMT
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Steel seal is about £50 for a bottle isn't it. K Seal works for most things and is about £12? Around £30. K-Seal is curse word at Head gaskets, but great for radiators, water pump gaskets, stuff like that. Plus K-seal looks curse word in your coolant. Steal Seal is visually undetectable. I'd go for the more expensive option if its definitely H/G because it does seem to work 100% of the time for the money.
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Sept 21, 2014 18:47:12 GMT
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Really, have had good results on Rover V8's and the other usual rover suspects, also worked on a Omega v6. Maybe just luck of the draw?
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93fxdl
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Sept 21, 2014 18:54:59 GMT
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Have seen K seal rescue a Citroen diesel. Was so bad had to have a glowplug out and run on 3, was pumping water out, gradualy stopped leaking, stop engine refit glowplug, and away it went, to put it mildly I had a jaw, floor interface moment seeing it happen. Ttfn Glenn
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Sept 23, 2014 20:10:12 GMT
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Having used both k seal and steel seal I'd always have a go with k seal has fixed many head gasket jobs but not always a long term fix but having had limited success with steel seal even when instructions followed exactly dosent seem any better but costs 3 times the price that money in my experience is better spent on doing the head gasket properly and the steel seal money back guarantee when applied for comes to nothing.
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THE_Liam
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Sept 23, 2014 20:22:12 GMT
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To be honest a head gasket kit for a lot of cars costs about the same as Steel Seal, I'd rather just do it properly. I do have an £8 bottle of K-Seal in the boot however...
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Sept 23, 2014 20:29:33 GMT
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That's normally what happens to the cars I work on to do the head gasket properly costs more than the car is worth I always give the k seal ago at the sake of a wasted tenner but the steal seal costs with new antifreeze they say you must use with it costs about £40 and from what I have found and my mates have its no better than k seal I for one won't ever be buying steal seal again its too expensive for no better result
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MrSpeedy
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Sept 24, 2014 18:05:19 GMT
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Tried K seal once for a heater matrix. Made sod all difference.
I've got some 'Ceramic seal' on the shelf which we've had much better results with. Not cheap, or easy, but seems to work.
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Sept 26, 2014 18:13:06 GMT
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Funnily enough I have been in the same situation as you. PD engine using small amount of water, pressurising the coolant etc. K-seal made absolutely no difference what so ever. Booked in with a highly reguarded tdi tuners to change from 130 to 150 headbolts as they are higher tensile strength. All this without removing the head!!!
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marcp
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Sept 26, 2014 21:13:14 GMT
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Ha! I'm in same boat, PD 130tdi, no coolant loss, just pressurizing hoses when driven hard, I am just going do to the head gasket, but only because I work at GSF and a gasket set and bolts is what a bottle of steel seal will cost. It has not got hot at all, so hoping no skim will be needed (means removing the injectors, and this scares me with the PD)
Thing is we sell steel seal and K seal, loads of people have told me how great K seal is, but never had any feedback at all from steel seal. :S
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Oct 18, 2014 18:56:27 GMT
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Thought I would give a progress report on what I said above about changing from 130 to 150 head bolts without removing the head. Well it appears to be cured, no more pressurising, just keeping an eye on the coolant at the minute, but looking good so far. Done for a fraction of the price of a head gasket change. Very happy.
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qwerty
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Steel Seal etcqwerty
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Nov 19, 2014 22:13:22 GMT
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Very interesting. Might ask the local specialist about the head bolt thing.
Whacked the steal seal in but to be honeat not really checked to see if its still pressurising or not. Gunna drive it and if there's anymore symptoms I'll get the headgasket done, uprated headgasket and 150 headbolts at the same time i think.
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Nov 24, 2014 12:41:12 GMT
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If you visit the MG Rover forum, they hate K-seal and Steel Seal for reasons that it blocks the water ways and radiator, etc I've done it on so many cars I've lost count and it has never blocked the waterways or radiators or the pumps. The particles are too small to block. The ingredients, I think, only harden once they are heated and exposed to air. Three K-series engines have been cured and have never overheated since. Otherwise, I'd always put this stuff in over doing a head gasket change. If it fails I'll do the HG, but I've had cars that have lasted years/1000's of miles and not failed so what is the point? Calling it a bodge is unfair.
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Nov 24, 2014 18:05:11 GMT
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If you visit the MG Rover forum, they hate K-seal and Steel Seal for reasons that it blocks the water ways and radiator, etc I thought this was now the go to solution for porous 3.9l Rover V8's?
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