Zotez
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Oct 22, 2013 12:29:41 GMT
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Just thought I'd add my two pence worth as I've been following this since the beginning on Ovalchat & have spoken to the guy who had his car nicked in private.
First of all, thank you for the most part for not labeling the whole banger community as thieves, because there are only a very small percentage of people who would steal a car, but unfortunately it does happen. As you can see, the community as a whole is 100% behind banning these people, and if they do end up on a track again I'd be willing to bet that they wont be finishing the race or getting out of the car in a good state! What goes around comes around.
However, whilst 99% of the banger community are totally against theft, I'd argue that it's impossible to police. I've sold cars without logbooks before, which is down to my very poor ability to keep paperwork where I can find it (for the record the car in question was bought from a dealer, and was a 100% legitimate purchase and I did have a logbook to begin with). Similarly, where classic cars have been "reshelled", the scrap shell may no longer come with ID. If you pull a 30 year old car out of a field and it comes with no ID, should it really be squashed instead of raced? Its a tough one.
But, having said that I am very pleased that you have your car back.
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Oct 22, 2013 14:34:23 GMT
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Its great that youve got your car back, ive had a car stolen in the past so i know exactly how it feels. Unfortunatly i didnt get mine back, and its only due to your super-sleuth abilities that you got yours back. Respect to you Sir. It does leave me with 2 questions. How long has the yard been there, and how long has this been going on. When my Mk2 Granada went there was quite afew RWD fords going from the South london area. A Mk2 Granada was raced localy weeks after mine went in the same colour, and with the same aftermarket alloys, but it wasnt my car as it had a sunroof. It was almost like a decoy. If there is any connection here you may have uncovered the root of all (if not most) evil. Legend.
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Oct 22, 2013 19:14:12 GMT
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having log books could be a little tricky but i would think it would be very easy to have the chassis numbers of cars that turn up for racing logged. this info could very easily be checked if needed.
it's a shame that the classic car lot don't try and push for a solution like this. they just seam to slag off the racers and insult their hobby instead.
they might get somewhere if they worked together...
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Oct 22, 2013 19:51:42 GMT
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I am the team captain of First Blood it is a family team that has been around for 3 generations. My name is Mark Taylor and my number is 07534956051.
Firstly this is not me having go, I just think that you need to hear the other side of this story!! I totally understand how the man feels about having his car stolen and I am really happy he has got it back.
First of all the bloke in question is a very good friend of mine, and I know for a fact he did not steal the car. He bought it in good faith with a set of keys and a logbook. So as far as he was concerned there was nothing wrong with the car. As for people saying it was too clean to race, I have raced many classic cars that would of easily been on the road for years to come. For example I bought a 3 litre s capri a few years ago and also a 2 door mk1 escort! And they were both immaculate and I raced the pair of them. As for people saying the team should have life bans, this is totally out of order as this is not to do with the whole team just one member. As for the ranting on ovalchat, this has been removed as it has no relevance to the car in question. Putting photos of the whole team and my friends whole yard is not anything to do with what has happened!!
I have left my number and name as I am fed up with all the abuse surrounding my team, I will answer any questions that anyone has, I will answer them if they are relevant to the car that was found, as for anything else I don't want to know. We are a family team that enjoys banger racing and has never been involved in any kind of car theft. We spend our weekends enjoying racing and have done so for the past 40years!!
As I said at the start I am very happy that the gentleman has found his car and will help him out with anything he needs, if I can.
Thanks Mark
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Rob M
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Oct 22, 2013 20:06:26 GMT
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having log books could be a little tricky but i would think it would be very easy to have the chassis numbers of cars that turn up for racing logged. this info could very easily be checked if needed. it's a shame that the classic car lot don't try and push for a solution like this. they just seam to slag off the racers and insult their hobby instead.
they might get somewhere if they worked together... Thats a bit harsh, isnt it? Its like blaming the residents of a housing estate for not fitting house alarms and buying rottweilers to prevent their homes from being broken into. The solution, if there really is one and, personally, i don't think ther really is, lay with the Banger community and what constitutues an "organization" that encompasses it. There is very little sign, even anecdotal information, from outside of the hobby which suggests that there is ANY real seat of power where decisions can be made to make the kind of pondlife who thieve to participate in banger racing never set foot on an oval again. Thing is, despite the truth that its a minority who are the wrong uns, its a significant minority that are not only making peoples lives a misery but are also sh*tting all over those that seek to keep the ovals squeaky clean. Until the banger community is able to police its own its hardly fair to expect Classic car owners to come up with solutions for them is it! Working together might be ok when the Banger "community" actually gets its act together. Whats right is right...right?
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Oct 22, 2013 20:27:41 GMT
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Last Edit: Oct 22, 2013 20:28:55 GMT by mikehamid
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Oct 22, 2013 20:31:31 GMT
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Alright Mark. Nice to hear from you. If this is true and you are happy to help can you please tell me; Who from and where was it bought?..I still have the keys and the log book. Where are my tyres, wheels and trim and can I have them back? If you want to argue that its fine to race a car that is road worthy this would imply that mine was road worthy when your mate acquired it. No one else said it was. It isn't now. It had wheels and tyres on when it arrived in that yard, it hasn't been hiab'd and came in on a flat bed. Can I have my bits back. Can I have my stuff back? And for what reason were the plates snapped off for? Cheers
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Oct 22, 2013 20:42:11 GMT
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So within 5 days the car was taken, a logbook with the same reg number was 'found', it was sold onto a banger racer, moved to Jail Lane, and stripped. Sounds a bit too far fetched.
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Oct 22, 2013 20:59:31 GMT
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Some of the comments here are starting to make it sound like an 'us and them' situation. Its not. Many banger racers are classic car owners blah blah blah..... The only way i can see it happening (checking of logbooks/vinplates at the track) is if a govening body of the classic car world (if there is one) or perhaps, a well known magazine starts to push it forward. Even then it could only forced onto the tracks if it were law. Unfortunatly, its not likley (like many things). But mabie its worh a try.
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MK2VR6
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Oct 22, 2013 21:05:02 GMT
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A good friend went to a national banger championship at the weekend, where he said there were a record number of Mk1 and 2 Granadas racing. He loved it and felt it was the best meet he'd ever been to, being a former banger racer himself. It's entertainment for those who choose to follow it, and on the rare occasion I go to local meets myself, I actually quite enjoy seeing modernish, pretty much worthless, run of the mill modern repmobiles have their final moments of glory. However, as in all walks of life, the minority totally ruin things for the majority and this thread has certainly raised my own awareness to the darker side of the 'sport'. I really hope justice is forthcoming for the OP and that the whole thing serves as a warning for the muppet minority that decent folk will not tolerate this.
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omegod
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Oct 22, 2013 21:09:54 GMT
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I am the team captain of First Blood it is a family team that has been around for 3 generations. My name is Mark Taylor and my number is 07534956051. Firstly this is not me having go, I just think that you need to hear the other side of this story!! I totally understand how the man feels about having his car stolen and I am really happy he has got it back. First of all the bloke in question is a very good friend of mine, and I know for a fact he did not steal the car. He bought it in good faith with a set of keys and a logbook. So as far as he was concerned there was nothing wrong with the car. As for people saying it was too clean to race, I have raced many classic cars that would of easily been on the road for years to come. For example I bought a 3 litre s capri a few years ago and also a 2 door mk1 escort! And they were both immaculate and I raced the pair of them.As for people saying the team should have life bans, this is totally out of order as this is not to do with the whole team just one member. As for the ranting on ovalchat, this has been removed as it has no relevance to the car in question. Putting photos of the whole team and my friends whole yard is not anything to do with what has happened!! I have left my number and name as I am fed up with all the abuse surrounding my team, I will answer any questions that anyone has, I will answer them if they are relevant to the car that was found, as for anything else I don't want to know. We are a family team that enjoys banger racing and has never been involved in any kind of car theft. We spend our weekends enjoying racing and have done so for the past 40years!! As I said at the start I am very happy that the gentleman has found his car and will help him out with anything he needs, if I can. Thanks Mark For that alone I hope your next turd is a hedgehog backwards, You going to answer his questions ??
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dazcapri
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Oct 22, 2013 21:18:25 GMT
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The trouble with checking logbooks is that some of the cars come from scrapyards and the logbooks have already been sent off. I've sold several cars to banger lads over the years and the majority didn't get the book off me cos I just sent them off as scrap.Got to agree with you bmcnut it's starting to come across as a them and us situation.As for them racing roadworthy cars it's the same as us that modify cars you buy the best you can afford to save on repairs/welding and to start with the best base you can get.Banger racers can be a good supply of parts to keep cars on the road,they're not all stealing cars to race it's a minority giving the rest a bad name.Whose to say some of the cars posted on here don't have a dodgy history to them,there's good and bad in all walks of life if you look on OVB forum there volunteering parts to help fix the car on here no one.s offered help and there's those that are just using it as an excuse to slag banger racer's off
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dazcapri
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Oct 22, 2013 21:22:18 GMT
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I am the team captain of First Blood it is a family team that has been around for 3 generations. My name is Mark Taylor and my number is 07534956051. Firstly this is not me having go, I just think that you need to hear the other side of this story!! I totally understand how the man feels about having his car stolen and I am really happy he has got it back. First of all the bloke in question is a very good friend of mine, and I know for a fact he did not steal the car. He bought it in good faith with a set of keys and a logbook. So as far as he was concerned there was nothing wrong with the car. As for people saying it was too clean to race, I have raced many classic cars that would of easily been on the road for years to come. For example I bought a 3 litre s capri a few years ago and also a 2 door mk1 escort! And they were both immaculate and I raced the pair of them.As for people saying the team should have life bans, this is totally out of order as this is not to do with the whole team just one member. As for the ranting on ovalchat, this has been removed as it has no relevance to the car in question. Putting photos of the whole team and my friends whole yard is not anything to do with what has happened!! I have left my number and name as I am fed up with all the abuse surrounding my team, I will answer any questions that anyone has, I will answer them if they are relevant to the car that was found, as for anything else I don't want to know. We are a family team that enjoys banger racing and has never been involved in any kind of car theft. We spend our weekends enjoying racing and have done so for the past 40years!! As I said at the start I am very happy that the gentleman has found his car and will help him out with anything he needs, if I can. Thanks Mark For that alone I hope your next turd is a hedgehog backwards, You going to answer his questions ?? I would of thought they were just cheap bangers at the time some of the cars I sold would be restored now but at the time few people wanted them as for answering his questions he supplied a phone number for that very reason
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Hirst
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Oct 22, 2013 21:26:29 GMT
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I know it might be killing the most exciting thread I've seen in years, but shouldn't these discussions really be going on via the Police?
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Oct 22, 2013 21:39:22 GMT
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I know it might be killing the most exciting thread I've seen in years, but shouldn't these discussions really be going on via the Police? Yes, however the more evidence posted on a public forum the better for the original poster to gain a conviction (Disclaimer: If the accused is guilty). I would also advise the original poster not to call Mark, unless calls are recorded in full.
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Hirst
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Oct 22, 2013 21:40:32 GMT
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Fair point I suppose. As an opener, maybe ask him why it was covered with a tarp.
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Oct 22, 2013 21:43:03 GMT
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I know it might be killing the most exciting thread I've seen in years, but shouldn't these discussions really be going on via the Police? And here comes the sense! Seriously tho, it sucks that this has happened but this individual case is on its way to conclusion so thats good. As for cleaning up banger racing, is there not some MSA jurisdiction here?
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If it ain't broke, I'll break it
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Oct 22, 2013 22:10:29 GMT
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It's fine, official channels will be stuck to. As far as the police...I was waiting to hear when they'd finished with the car in forensics so I could collect it. Heard nothing. Couldn't find a number for the pound on the ticket or on the met website. Had to get it from another forum. Called the pound on Sunday, answer phone. Left a message. No reply. Monday I call 101. They call the pound. The pound say I owe them £370 quid for recovery and tow. The operator says the only person who can cancel this is the attending officer. They message him to call me. Tuesday I call them again in the morning, they send him another message. By 5 I'd still heard nothing. Call 101 again and they say I need to call crime management. Straight to answer phone. Eventually after trying three different numbers I get through to someone at southwark. They rightly work out I'm supposed to speak to the ORIGINAL officer who filed the first report. They message him and within an hour he calls me, didn't know anything had happened but said he'll sort it. A couple of hours later he calls back and told me the problem was.... The attending officer put the wrong code in for the tow, one digit off, so it was marked down as a recovery not a forensic lift hence the charges. This also meant the car hasn't even been tested yet. It's happening now and they reckon within a week I can have it back. As someone said in an earlier post on here or another forum you really have to be persistent with the police and try not to get curse word off. I'm trying...hard. The guy on it now seems on it and has asked me to send him all I have so will be doing that in the morning. And via PM's and asking around (grew up in penge and went to school in croydon) I've got a fair bit. That's it for now. And I really don't want this to turn into a 'classics vs bangers? fight as a lot of help has come from both, most on the ovalchat are from pm's so maybe not as visable but as valid. Thanks
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Oct 22, 2013 22:11:10 GMT
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Just goes round and round this doesn't it. I've been on these forums for a few years and I can think of a good few cases of forumers' cars being nicked deliberately for bangering. Some end up smashed to bits with a grinning idiot sat on the bonnet, others were recovered, others mysteriously reappearing in laybys half-prepped (and thus destroyed). The banger lot always say 'yeah theres a few rotten apples spoiling it for everyone, 98% of participants are proper sound geezers' but flip all ever happens. There damn well should be life bans for anyone found bangering a stolen motor. between logbooks, VIN checks and paperwork from authorised scrapyards and the like its got to be well easy to prove a car is pukka, if its not possible to prove that its legit it should not be allowed on the track. If it was me I'd have these idiots gassed but fortunately I'm never likely to make it to a position where what I think matters
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Oct 22, 2013 22:13:54 GMT
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Oh forgot to say, seriously impressive detective work Lordbiscuit! I take my hat right off to you, great attitude to the whole sorry story as well. Best of luck.
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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