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Some are lucky enough to build a car that works, so that the bits complement each other. others have to work it out, both ways works  , thats why some cars have money and bits and labour lashed at em and look curse word cos not worked out or planned. My ideas have not changed much from my initial mad random ideas designs but its good for them to forment a little upstairs.  |
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New Trepanier car..bstardchild
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what impresses me is people like john britten (look up his bike) of weird encentrics who appear once in a while with wild creations but have no publicity... I agree - his bikes are jaw dropping I love this car for the engineering and I realy love the colours but its boring (for me) in a typically american showoff "look at how many types of welders and cnc mechines we have to use" kind of way.. ;D ;D ;D si Doesn't float my boat either - that doesn't make it curse word either just means I don't/wouldn't want it and it doesn't appeal. Remember if we all like the same thing places like this wouldn't exist and we would all have 2.2 kids, 3 bed semi and drive a mundano Vive la differance but don't expect unanimous approval of your own tastes - ALL |
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Remember if we all like the same thing places like this wouldn't exist and we would all have 2.2 kids, 3 bed semi and drive a mundano Vive la differance but don't expect unanimous approval of your own tastes - ALL Spot on thats why it works, and why i like these healthy debates/convo's, go check the oooff thread for evidence. |
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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what impresses me is people like john britten (look up his bike) of weird encentrics who appear once in a while with wild creations but have no publicity... I agree - his bikes are jaw dropping curse word either just means I don't/wouldn't want it and it doesn't appeal. Remember if we all like the same thing places like this wouldn't exist and we would all have 2.2 kids, 3 bed semi and drive a mundano Vive la differance but don't expect unanimous approval of your own tastes - ALL what you said! spot on! I'm silly on cheep wine and not too tackfull but I hope people get what I mean without offence!" si |
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what impresses me is people like john britten (look up his bike) of weird encentrics who appear once in a while with wild creations but have no publicity... I agree - his bikes are jaw dropping but its the "how he built it thats gets me.. he measured everything frame/fuel capacity suspension"... everything with a calculator and a stick with a a piece of tape on it!! lol true and ace!"  si |
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i love this forum! si |
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when it decides what trend its epitomising i'll take another look. So a car has to be part of a scene? it can't just be a really great custom? It can't be judged in its own right, only as part of a trend? Thats wierd. Maybe he should start selling stencils and tee-shirts... yeah thats what i said. luckily i've been buoyed by seeing a boso beetle and a gasser crx today. look, its simple, all of you who have slated my opinion on the car, as has been said (by slater?), have made me feel like a retard, an outsider and someone who isnt worthy to look upon the scene, because i don't like this car, the overall look of it is not to my taste. i have NOT doubted the workmanship but it still looks curse word, and thats all there is to it. so i'll pass on the 'your'e a valid member of the pro-street-rod-kustom appreciation group who gets it' t-shirt/stickers and just go back to passing 'all cars pre 2003 are cool no matter what they look like' comments. no harm done |
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Thank heavens for your smiley at the end there SS! I thought we might be losing you!
No-one has to like something to fit in, but if people are going to criticise it has to be constructive and even then it must be on a 'if it were mine...' or 'I'd prefer it if...' level. I'm very much in Slater's camp where budget is concerned - a low budget is one of the most impressive factors on a (good) car - that's what my (£700) Cressida is all about, but disliking something for having a high-end budget just isn't constructive.
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Trouble is I think way too much about this kind of thing and have sort of formed my own set of 'rules' of 'how to build good looking cars' The way I see it you have 'the basics' and 'the details' The basics are basicly the stance of the car, size of wheels/tyres, ride height, the proportions of the body (roof chops and such). You get this right and your car will allways look good. The details are things like the colour or the style of the wheels, tbh they don't relly matter! It dosent make any differance if your cars green or blue or if you go for ats classics or cups if the basics are bad your car wont look good. IMO the big mistake people make is getting hung up on the details and not getting the basics right! agreed but with reservations... Details can be what makes a good car into a great car. And the details being wrong can turn a basically good car into something that looks well wack. (I am trying to reintroduce the work "wack" into common useage, bear with me) For example, check out this Oldsmobile. Lovely period looking patina'd rod but with naff 90s "high tech" alloys on it?   set of junk yard steelies and that car would look 101% better. This ROller is another one where every time I look at it the wheels just scream "WRONG" at me....  Maybe wheels are a basic not a detail then. meh. |
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The way I see it you have 'the basics' and 'the details' The basics are basicly the stance of the car, size of wheels/tyres, ride height, the proportions of the body (roof chops and such). You get this right and your car will allways look good. The details are things like the colour or the style of the wheels, tbh they don't relly matter! It dosent make any differance if your cars green or blue or if you go for ats classics or cups if the basics are bad your car wont look good. Bang on,.. You get the basics right every time so far,.. which to me means all your cars are good.... Its when you get the details right that they'll be great. Not many people manage that, fewer manage it consistantly. Its only by studying those that have spent the time to get the details right that this comes through and helps you improve beyond being good to being great. To put it in other terms outside of this high end custom thing,.. its the difference between building a Euro looker and building Danny Allen's car. Ones good,.. the others legendary. I just think why settle for good,..? |
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luckily i've been buoyed by seeing a boso beetle and a gasser crx today. Pics? |
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I've not seen Slater's Metro in the flesh, but I suspect it has passed 'good'. The Mini wasn't run-of-the-mill either.
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I've not seen Slater's Metro in the flesh, but I suspect it has passed 'good'. The Mini wasn't run-of-the-mill either. thats why I said some people can just do it, almost without thinking, all the influences and information the senses take in can be processed to create a good car, like the Mini. --- I hope we all stay different on here , be tragic (and boring) if we all liked the same things, got the same things, and did things the same way.  |
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Mar 22, 2007 15:09:23 GMT
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I really like this car, but what the hell is it? I know nothing about these kind of cars, totally ignorant when it comes to these big budget `30s things - is it actually made from a 30s production car, or is it some sort of built from scratch replica or what? and what`s billet?
(This the post where I am unmasked as merely a `70s production car anorak and woefully ignorant of incredible custom cars that people pour years of their time into)
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Mar 22, 2007 15:51:52 GMT
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Its a 1936 Ford V8 business coupe. This is a one year only body style, I believe its a model 65 or something, although I'd need to look it up in my refference books at home to be sure on that one. Its the last of the original V8 series of cars introduced in 1932 by Ford (for some reason the 1937 -1941 Fords are considered a separate series). Its often said that the British Ford Pilot is in fact a '36 US Ford but although there are cosmetic similarities and both use the flathead V8 the two cars are actually a bit different. Ford Pilot:  1936 Ford V8 Sedan   Close... A "billet" is a block of solid material. In hotr rod terms its usually billet aluminium. Parts are litterally carved out of solid ali - usually by CNC machines, fancy procerss controlled lathes etc. The whole Billet thing was started off in the 80s by a guy called Lil' John Buttera - ironically because he couldn't afford to buy cast ali parts for his '32 Ford project, so he stayed late at work and machined the stuff from billet stock! He has an engineering company www.rcdengineering.com/ doing funky stuff now. During the later 80s and 90s Billet became the absolute must have and high tech street rods leading to the "machined to death" $1,000,000 street rods we have now whihch are either the ultimate rods or big buck yawn-fest depending on your point of view. Considering Lil' John's '32 was one of the most famous and influential rods of the early 80s (and Troy Trepanier cites him as an influence) I can only find one photo of it online  "billet" is used as a swear word by trad rodders, rat rodders and ol skoolers who see it as being everything that went wrong with rodding, hense the name of events like "Billetproof"... |
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Last Edit: Mar 22, 2007 15:59:52 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 22, 2007 15:59:58 GMT
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Cheers for that AK, at least I know what I`m looking at now, I`ve ignored pre 1960s stuff for too long.
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Mar 22, 2007 16:02:47 GMT
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Interesting, i still cant get over all the politics in the hot rod communities!  |
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Mar 22, 2007 16:13:46 GMT
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all scenes have thier rules and thier histories. hot rodding just has 70-80 years of it.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 22, 2007 16:46:05 GMT
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all scenes have thier rules and thier histories. hot rodding just has 70-80 years of it. Bit like the motorbike forums, communities etc. I do enjoy a lively debate, and this one is cool, as long as no one spits their dummy. The "movement " needs constant new and differing influences. |
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Mar 22, 2007 17:54:34 GMT
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I think the Pilot has just become the first `30s car to join my wish list. Are all these rods being built now actual standard `30s cars greatly modified, are they fabricated from nothing and built on more modern chassis, or do old hotrods get stripped down and re-done, or what? Just wondering where the supply of cars of the right vintage comes from if that is the case (mind you, americas a big place)
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, thats why some cars have money and bits and labour lashed at em and look curse word cos not worked out or planned.
