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Feb 23, 2007 19:39:01 GMT
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Never seen the lightbulb sketch before, nice one briandamaged I found it highly amusing.
And to be honest, a pretty good picture of the vast majority of internet discussion forums, full of people with all sorts of psychological issues who use discussion forums as a platform enabling to be as unpleasant, anally retentive and thoroughly obnoxious as they`d like to be in real life but dare not.
Not this forum however. We must be a secure, confident bunch, free from hang ups and all that, we talk to each other with a bit of respect and aside from the odd rant and misunderstanding there aint a dickhead among us ( yeah apart from vicsmith, there I`ve beat you to it).
CR500`s point is valid and might generate a sudden influx of good stuff, and on the other hand tell me about threads are harmless enough and sometimes they can go off at interesting tangents and cause some weird and wonderful pics to appear. So its all good.
I hate discussion forums and I havent got time for them but I think this one is great, the moderators can use me as a gas canary, if I`m still here the forum must be good!
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Feb 23, 2007 19:48:04 GMT
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This is why I made that Salt Flats/El Mirage thread t'other week...There was nothing on the first page of GD that tickled my fancy  *n |
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Top grammar tips!
Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated
Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Feb 23, 2007 19:49:49 GMT
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This is why I made that Salt Flats/El Mirage thread t'other week...There was nothing on the first page of GD that tickled my fancy *n And mighty fine it was too  ;D |
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Can't resist posting! LOL Yep don't be lazy is moral of the story! Because we are all friendly gents (and ladies) the most basic tell me about type threads by lesser contributors get answers. but yep do your own bit of research, collect; thoughts, material, info, and pictures, be creative. RR feedback is special and priceless. And thank you for the help i have got this far, i like to think i bring some peppiness too and help where i can.  |
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I've had exactly this conversation with HoTWire, and he knows I'm not a fan of tell me/show me threads - but they do have a place. I'm going to be adding a feline amongst the city foul with this one, but I have a further theory about where some of the blame lies - The *0000f* thread - In the old days, if I found a cool car I'd feel a duty to post it...but one picture isn't enough for a whole thread meaning I had to find a theme to go with it, for example - if I found this:  then in order to post it, I'd need an MX5 thread, or a bolt-on arches thread, or a new-but-old thread, or a number-roundels-on-door thread, or a hairdresser's car thread. But now I can just stick it in *ooof*. Which means you might miss out on these:  MX5  Bolt on arches  New-but-old  Number roundels  Hairdressers cars ...any one of those subjects could make a thread. Should we lock the *ooof* thread and ban tell me/show me threads for an experimental period? |
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Locking the oof thread gets my vote, no-one knows what goes in there without looking, and sometimes I`m on dial up and it can take all night to get through it, and to be honest if someones found a really nice Charger for example then why "waste" it in the oof thread when we could get a discussion going and some more chargers.
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madmart
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love is: valvebounce in top gear
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Reading through i had an idea.maybe I'm out of line,but could poster's in the ooof thread also post there pic in the general board? maybe the general for discussing said pic and ooof thread for a instant ish? record.
IMO i love the ooof thread for a pick me up when ive lost me mojo
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but I have a further theory about where some of the blame lies - The *0000f* thread - In the old days, if I found a cool car I'd feel a duty to post it...but one picture isn't enough for a whole thread meaning I had to find a theme to go with it, Should we lock the *ooof* thread and ban tell me/show me threads for an experimental period? Surely by posting that one good photo in a thread of it's own will generate discussion and the thread would find it 's own theme? Maybe other threads would start because of it. Your example photo could be used to start discussion on any of the topics you felt it needed to be put in. Yeah, lock the oooof thread for a bit and let us bored at work folk flood the board with interesting or not photo's and enjoy the threads they may or may not start. |
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chaseracer
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If you have to ask why, you will never understand...
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Oh, that's a shame.
I joined this forum some time ago and enjoyed it for a while, but stayed away until recently after being put off by a 'finger-wagging' element who sought to criticise other 'lesser contributors' - that's a pretty offensive phrase, BTW - for failing to conform to their perception of what RR should be. It's sad that this is still happening.
Heads up, friends. There is such a concept as 'horses for courses'. People seek different things from message boards like this one. Who's to say that the newbie posting a 'tell me about...' isn't going to go away and build an awe-inspiring car, encouraged by the response?
Did I miss something? Is RR now just a members' club for the few veterans with post levels into four figures?
Not everyone has the skills - or the perception of unwritten rules understood only by initiates - that certain people seem to demand as the price of entry; some of us are still learning, and hope that RR can be a source of inspiration and encouragement so that in time we will be more able to put something back.
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Is it just me that likes the "Tell me about.." threads?
Thing is, I guess I'm just not worthy or something. I don't have an encyclopaedic knowledge of everything so I find them interesting. They tell me about stuff I wouldnt otherwise know about.
I've started one or two myself. The RR Silver Shadow and the Yugo Sana spring to mind. Should I have Googled? Of course I did!
I used to work for Google. Even with that experience I found it difficult to find any pages on the Shadow that deal with the more down to earth issues of spannering that we here might find interesting here. And since there arent many Sanas about not surprisingly there aren't any websites about them beyond the Wikipedia page. So any info from RR regulars that might educate, inform and entertain the rest of us would in my view be very welcome.
Of course "Tell me about Golf Mk2s", "Tell me about Haynes manuals" might stretch it a little, but I hope I've never posted anything _that_ obvious.
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Oh, that's a shame. I joined this forum some time ago and enjoyed it for a while, but stayed away until recently after being put off by a 'finger-wagging' element who sought to criticise other 'lesser contributors' - that's a pretty offensive phrase, BTW - for failing to conform to their perception of what RR should be. It's sad that this is still happening. Heads up, friends. There is such a concept as 'horses for courses'. People seek different things from message boards like this one. Who's to say that the newbie posting a 'tell me about...' isn't going to go away and build an awe-inspiring car, encouraged by the response? Did I miss something? Is RR now just a members' club for the few veterans with post levels into four figures? Not everyone has the skills - or the perception of unwritten rules understood only by initiates - that certain people seem to demand as the price of entry; some of us are still learning, and hope that RR can be a source of inspiration and encouragement so that in time we will be more able to put something back. You've hit the nail smack bang on the head. |
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Feb 24, 2007 10:00:44 GMT
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Oh, that's a shame. I joined this forum some time ago and enjoyed it for a while, but stayed away until recently after being put off by a 'finger-wagging' element who sought to criticise other 'lesser contributors' - that's a pretty offensive phrase, BTW - for failing to conform to their perception of what RR should be. It's sad that this is still happening. Heads up, friends. There is such a concept as 'horses for courses'. People seek different things from message boards like this one. Who's to say that the newbie posting a 'tell me about...' isn't going to go away and build an awe-inspiring car, encouraged by the response? Did I miss something? Is RR now just a members' club for the few veterans with post levels into four figures? Not everyone has the skills - or the perception of unwritten rules understood only by initiates - that certain people seem to demand as the price of entry; some of us are still learning, and hope that RR can be a source of inspiration and encouragement so that in time we will be more able to put something back. You've hit the nail smack bang on the head. my fear was that people would think that way about this thread Dom didnt suggest no tell me about threads. more 'suggested' that if people want a tell me about thread can they throw something inspriational into the mix to get it started. ie "ive seen X,Y,Z Volksrods and am now thinking of building one. What do you guys know?" - but with pics thrown in of X, Y, Z ... and it goes from there .... my suggestion would be to remove ALL evidence of post count of length of time anyone has been on the board. and hows about a group photobucket account where we can store all OOF pics, and people can look into them whenever they want, add to them etc etc. i dunno how much space photobucket gives you |
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orangecords
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Feb 24, 2007 10:12:05 GMT
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I agree with briandamaged! some of the ford forums are like this, if you mention putting an odd engine in the car they don't want to know you........zetecs are boring  click my sig and give my site a go mate-we don't care! (shameless plug as ever! ;D) there is one ford site that I know only too well as a right cliquey bunch-in that if you arent one of their crowd or don't own an escort your threads just don't get a response. to the point that I introduced myself to them at the pod a couple of years back and got blank looks and turned backs-don't go on there much nowadays. rr is sooo diferent-everyone offers unbiased opinions regardless of what they drive or have passion for plus the meet at hatton was great-chatted to everyone and was made to feel very welcome-THATS the reason I keep coming back for more-plus its a brilliant escape from running my own site  as for the "tell me about" threads-if it were my site id open a tell me about board-that way those that don't like these threads don't have to come in and the general board stays inspirational and enlightening. personally I like the threads-ive learned loads about cars id never have even looked twice at keep up the good work guys p.s saw this further back in the thread-is this someones on here? I'm getting some baaaaaaad cloning ideas  |
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paul4be
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Feb 24, 2007 10:56:28 GMT
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Whilst I've read the board for quite a while, I don't post a great deal unless I feel I have something to offer that may help.
Lots of threads on the board have shown me cars that I didn't even know existed, let alone would be able to search for. I knew almost nothing about J-tin before coming here for example.
I quite like the show me type threads, as they tend to end up with a lot of stuff that just one person wouldn't turn up.
I feel this is one of the most friendly boards that I use overall.
I have to say however that the thing that niggles me most is that some of the boards veterans (hope you know what I mean) have very definate ideas that they want the board to be as it was 'in the good old days' and that because it isn't, there must be something wrong and things must change.
By the very nature of a forum like this, it will evolve and change over time, which is a good thing. The membership will change over time and what they bring to or want from the board will also change. That shouldn't mean there is anything wrong with where the board is at present. This thread seems to imply that there is something wrong with the board and how it is developing, and I don't see that.
It is a useful discussion, as it should be. Personally though, I don't think that things should always just stay the same, change can be good. Not everyone will feel that, but surely if lots of people like things like show me threads, and others are happy to post in them, that shows users are happy with content such as that.
I really don't see that saying things like this is no good, that shouldn't happen, we need to go back to... is really going to help. The contents of the board is what the users make it through what they want. If somebody wants to ask about things, fine. If somebody wants to post inspiration, also fine. It's all good!!!!!!
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Last Edit: Feb 24, 2007 10:57:12 GMT by paul4be
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Feb 24, 2007 11:02:52 GMT
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I'd like to say that I see this thread as a discussion and not an argument - I believe that that was Dom's intention from the start. Finger wagging and pointing doesn't seem to be an issue from where I'm standing. I've never started a 'Tell me' thread and never will...but I've started plenty of threads that contain a question - I (personally) feel that Dom has a point - the internet is a big place, anyone needing more info on a subject can at least post their original findings or the inspiration for their question. I actually spoke to HoTWire a few months ago, and he didn't fully agree with me and pointed out that a search on the site for the words 'tell me' or 'show me' would produce pages of really useful information - something I hadn't though of, and a very worthy argument in their favour. That said, I still rather have thread titled: 'Join the Caravan of Love' With this as the first post:  I've been seeing a few of this lately and I think it might be a cheaper, and in some ways , cooler alternative to a tradional VW Camper. Does anyone know where I can find one...or anything related? Than: 'Tell me about Nissan Caravans' With the first post: Tell me about Nissan Caravans. ;D Regarding the *ooof* thread - I'm going to ask HoTWire to put it to a vote...with lock or don't lock options. I don't think there needs to be a delete option, because it's very cool! ;D ps. great post Paul ^, I see wwhat you mean about the 'good old days' comments...it does kind of suggest that we might be in the bad days at the moment and I certainly don't think that is the case! I assume no-one else does either. Let's make sure that we all know that the intention here is making this board the best it can be, rather than saying it's rubbish at the moment. |
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Last Edit: Feb 24, 2007 11:13:07 GMT by rmad
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Feb 24, 2007 12:09:41 GMT
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I`ve just read this from start to finish again as I am struggling to see how I can make it any clearer  There seems to be different opinions on the subject which is great and what I was hoping for ;D and its clear that everyone has thought a great deal about their replies so something must have clicked What I don't undersatnd is how there seem to be 2 distinct camps.... Those that understand the point I was making and those that don't What concerns me is the "underlying distrust" and an old boys verses new kids slant that was not put there by me  My only concern in raising this discussion was the overall quality of the Content on the board....... Nothing more This affects all of us and all of us are responsible for it as we Retro_rides members provide the content that keeps us all coming back ;D I was not here at the start of R-Rides, IRSM introduced me to it but it took me a while to sit down and get into it, but it seemed then, every page had some totally amazing Automobilia on it, most threads had you going WTF !!! that is so cool Now I know that as forums grow they will change and dilute, that goes with the territory and sometimes thats a good thing, sometimes not so good The only thing I will say is that if you were not here to experience it early on you cant possibly say how different it was or if you prefer it then or now  You need a point of reference I am saying with regard to "Tell me about/Show me" threads that there IS a different way to get the same level of information that is more beneficial to the forum Content thats all I would never suggest banning TMA/SM threads as I don't agree with that, I also contribute to them I have no control or say in this board over and above anyone else, I am merely a contributor like everyone on here All I am asking is for us all to try it a different way and see if it makes a difference to the quality of Content....... if it does great, if it doesnt I`ll stand corrected ;D Maybe I need to start a thread to demonstrate what I mean, R-Mad was spot on with the Caravanette example, as was Hotwire with the Volvo 240....... failing that I`m at a loss as how to explain further |
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Feb 24, 2007 12:30:09 GMT
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Regarding the *ooof* thread - I'm going to ask HoTWire to put it to a vote...with lock or don't lock options. I don't think there needs to be a delete option, because it's very cool! ;D There will be no vote,.. this is not a democracy its a (benevolent) dictatorship. I'll lock the *OOOF* thread,.. BUT things will still get posted in there by the moderators, if deemed worthy from other threads The idea that everyone is equal and all threads are equal is nonsense, if John Beardmore posts up something about Morris Minors it's a hell of a lot more interesting and worthy of attention than if I do. This does however have nothing to do with post count of length of time they've been on the forum. Also if this forum ever slides into being just another car forum, I'll close it |
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Feb 24, 2007 15:22:26 GMT
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I've been wandering aimlessly around this site since the Retro Show 2005 and like some, own and run cars that some wouldn't think twice about...anyway, I've found inspiration and support here (like what dope would suggest fitting a TR7 engine in a Marina GT and get a HUGE list of tuning tips in reply....me!) and I believe its like that across the board. I agree, not everything is acceptable to everyone and there are times I surf in, have a quick scout around and either go outside/to the sofa/to bed, but again there are some times I and dragged physically off the PC because something has caught my eye. Its a bit like a magazine; some copies are excellent, some lame and if you accept that, there is no problem.
Keep it as it is......
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Rover Metro - The TARDIS - brake problems.....Stored
Rover 75 - Barge
MGZTT Cdti 160+ - Winter Hack and Audi botherer...
MGF - The Golden Shot...Stored
Project Minion........
Can you see the theme?
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Feb 24, 2007 20:05:01 GMT
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I joined this forum some time ago and enjoyed it for a while, but stayed away until recently after being put off by a 'finger-wagging' element who sought to criticise other 'lesser contributors' - that's a pretty offensive phrase, BTW - for failing to conform to their perception of what RR should be. It's sad that this is still happening. Arrrgh! I said that 'lesser contributors' bit!   by contributors, i meant those who help or comment on others, or will in the future What I meant was: Its seems unfair to just start a thread like: "Tell me about" type thread and one sentence in the thread and get everyone to tell you what they know or even find out for you on the WWW. as said in this thread a general bit of reasearch by the poster and maybe a picture, and general involvement on the board is just a bit of netiquate (sp ?). Did I miss something? Is RR now just a members' club for the few veterans with post levels into four figures? whether you have 5 posts or 5000 its irrelivent. even first time posters have a question, its all fine. and its not a go at you! RR is self policed plus has the most user friendly access to intersting topics I have come across on a forum. if people are using the board just to ask ask ask(full stop). and not ever comment or help elsewhere, or even explain their question its not fair and eventually they wil get less responses, as I say not a dig, I have done my share of fact asking. tell me abouts are fine, just do a bit of a dig about first or sculpt it into an interesting discussion and bingo. HTH, i'm not in the business of having a go at peeps. |
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by contributors, i meant those who help or comment on others, or will in the future