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You can talk about 'attitude' all you like, but then you'd also have to say a bog standard E36 couldn't qualify in any way at all. As I've said - it's a bit of a slippery slope when you start calling bog standard family saloons from the 90s 'retro', 'cos it leaves the group open to all sorts of mundane, but common, bangers being posted. Someone has come on here and asked if he can post pictures of his E36 which he has just bought........ The majority have said yes post it up and lets have a look.... You don't like it so you start a thread thinly disguised as a retro question so you can have a beef about it  You have absolutely no Idea what the guys plans are for it  For all you know he could be planning the coolest/most Ironic/Lowest/Donk style E36 ever seen...... But no far better to make the bloke feel really welcome and let him know what a freindly and inclusive place this is.... ;D Really gives the right impression of Retro-Rides that doesnt it  I`ve said it before...... Its YOUR Opinion and I will hazard a guess that you are in the minority...... I don't care if it fits your "rules" of Retro or not, the guy has Taken the time out to get registered and get involved and for that he should be made very welcome........  ;D just as you were.. |
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I've encouraged healthy debate..... and mamaged to wind you up 'cos I had a dig a Landie owners for causing some of the issues we now face from VOSA..... I'm not complaining as such, just encouraging discussion. It has opened a can of worms 'cos if we allow the E36 to be classed as a 'retro ride', then we have to allow 90s Mondeos, Astras, Vetras and even MkVII Escorts in as 'retro'...... Haha you did! I can imagine you sat at your computer enraged by something and cross-referencing it with things before you go public with your rant! My personal classification of what could be termed retro would be something pre-1990, maybe with some exceptions. Classic I would call anything pre-plastic bumpers (pre Sierra etc). I think the 'official' definition of classic is anything over 25 years old. The plastic bumper era cars are getting near that age now. I don't see them as classic, but maybe I will when they are a bit more scarce. Mike |
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curse word it.
If that's 'retro', then I'll seriously consider no longer reading this.
I don't want to read about or look at pictures of cars that are both modern and ten to a penny around here.
It wasn't a dig at the bloke with the E36, it just sparked a thought that a modern family saloon isn't a retro car.
There has to be a line drawn somewhere, or 'Retro Rides' just becomes another generic car modding board.
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Lines? Pigeonholes? We don't need no steenking pigeonholes!! It was that kinda 'you can't be in our gang if you've got one of those' attitude that jaded my oppinion of hot rodding. Admittedly it is only 'the few', but did you see the roasting on the NSRA forum that Old Skool got for daring to park, shock, a FIESTA (Slaters) and a shabby Capri (BodieandDoyles) on the front row at the spring Nats? Other than that I'm with CR500 Dom, if it's cool, it's cool  |
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When I'm at a car show, be it for rods & customs, classics, modified stuff, whatever, there's usually cars on show that for some reason don't interest me. I tend to walk past them and find plenty of other stuff to go "Wow" at. I'm sure theres an analogy in there somewhere.  |
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That's kind of my point here - the E36 was never 'cool', a standard one, at the moment, is just a cheap, ageing 4 door saloon. Come on, man. '91 Alfa 75: Cheap.  Ageing (isn't yours pretty rotten?). 4 door saloon. It's not hard to just ignore the stuff you don't like. |
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dash it. If that's 'retro', then I'll seriously consider no longer reading this. It wasn't a dig at the bloke with the E36, it just sparked a thought that a modern family saloon isn't a retro car. Oh really   It just sprung to mind due to the E36 that's found it's way into Reader's Rides.. |
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Well, if you're going to start scoring things like that.....
Special interest - yes, 'cos it has funny suspension and the gearbox under the boot floor. Plus only a tiny number were sold.
Age - based on a car launched in the early 70s. Even the 75 was launched way back in 84-ish.
They're also incredibly rare these days.
Mine wasn't all that rotten - it had suffered under the plastic, but was still structurally MOTable.
Anyway..... yes, I can ignore the stuff I don't like, but it's a very dodgy stand to take - my brother has a 1993-ish Frontera Diesel. Are we going to let that in as a retro? - if anyone says yes, then I really will start to question the whole ethos behind 'Retro' rides.
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This isnt a new issue there are quite a few types of cars in readers rides that I don't consider. I find the best thing to do is to not read thread`s of subjects/cars I wont be interested in . In the general thread there are often posts of modern cars (90 onwards). Modified in a certain style, they are not old enough to be classed as a retro car, although they may have been modified in a retro fashion a lot arent, often just lowered with fairly subtle mods. I actually like E36`s and always have, never owned one but I think in a year or two I probably will. There are a lot of nasty examples around but I think the base car is pretty good and I have seen some pretty good modified examples. I havent seen the car in question so cant comment on that. And with regards to mk1 mondeos if there was one of those posted in the readers rides threads I would probably have a look to see what it was like. They might be a boring 90`s 4 door saloon, but in a lot of ways they were much better than the sierra and also the cortina before that. At the end of the day its a public internet forum there is bound to be a lot of things posted that don't appeal to everyones tastes, ideas or opinions. The best thing to do is not let it bother you and go and buy some auld shitter of a car on ebay instead |
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dash it. If that's 'retro', then I'll seriously consider no longer reading this. It wasn't a dig at the bloke with the E36, it just sparked a thought that a modern family saloon isn't a retro car. Oh really It just sprung to mind due to the E36 that's found it's way into Reader's Rides.. OK, come on then..... If I went out and bought a MkI Mondeo tomorrow, could I post that in Readers Rides? How about a MkIII Astra? My brother's early 90s Frontera? Hell, we could have a MkI Punto in there. I've raised this question before when a MkIII Fester was accepted as 'retro' - and got slapped down that time, too. Is it just that everyone in here is too 'nice' to actually question anyone new? |
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Odin
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Post whatever you like in Readers Rides. It is, by definition, what people who read this drive. Not everyone has a retro, they might just be interested in them and want to take part.
If it doesn't turn out to be popular and not many people post on the thread, it will fall off the front page anyway so it won't 'offend' you.
We don't need any sort of policy on what fits and what doesn't, I think people can decide that for themselves.
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OK, come on then..... If I went out and bought a MkI Mondeo tomorrow, could I post that in Readers Rides? How about a MkIII Astra? My brother's early 90s Frontera? Hell, we could have a MkI Punto in there. I've raised this question before when a MkIII Fester was accepted as 'retro' - and got slapped down that time, too. Is it just that everyone in here is too 'nice' to actually question anyone new? Well everyone else in here seems happy with the way it works So once again...... Its YOUR issue............ its up to YOU, how YOU come to terms with it |
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Well, if we're going to open the floodgates to every mainstream 90s banger, then I think I'll probably end up choosing not to bother with Retro Rides anymore.
I may as well go out an buy a copy of 'Fast Car' or 'Max Power' if that's the route the group have chosen.
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What 'route' have the group 'chosen'? What seems to have set you off is one guy with a car from 1992 (so nearly as old as yours) joining. His car is pretty mint and has tons of history. It certainly doesn't seem to be a 'banger'. Wait until those Mondeos start 'defiling' the forum - then you can have your dramatic exit. |
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i agree with Rich, personally i think Monza suck ass, and all the drivers are tit's, but i don;t voice it. twinspark: It's all down to personal opinion, thats what makes RR so newby friendly. As for sayin ya leavin, you can make a statement like that, and not think ya gonna get a roasting. As you said, it's a discussion, and people aren't gonna all be on your side, it would be a curse word discussion if everyone was, don't take it to heart dude. |
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Oh, just dash off will you.
If we're having cars that entered production in the 90s categorised as 'retro', then I suggest renaming the site, 'cos it's drifted as far from retro as you can possibly get without including cars that are currently still in production.
Retro Rides is in danger of becoming a generic modded car forum once cars which entered production in the 90s start being allowed.
BTW, it wasn't a specific dig at the E36 owner, 'cos I've also questioned other cars in the past.
It's getting pointless arguing over this now.
I think I'll just dash off out of here, 'cos I'll only get wound up if I don't.
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Last Edit: Feb 4, 2007 0:08:32 GMT by twinspark
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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<EDIT> Samage ;D |
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Last Edit: Feb 4, 2007 0:13:21 GMT by CR500Dom
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Well, that was unexpected....!!
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;D just as you were..
