md
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Dec 28, 2012 18:52:52 GMT
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I'm thinking about getting a unit as there's not a lot of room to work on my cars where I live. I purely want it to work on and store my own vehicles, not to run a business... so I still need to pay business rates?
I know that for the rateable value of the unit I'm looking at (£4k pa) there is 100% relief until end of march 2013 so I wont have to pay anything til then - but from april 2013 it would be only 50% relief meaning if I do have to pay that'd be an extra £900 pa, which would probably tip it beyond affordability for me... :/
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Dec 28, 2012 19:51:29 GMT
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You still have to pay regardless, I have had my unit for 6 months now, on relief, and even if I'm just rebuilding my Audi I have to pay rates. Bummer ain't it!
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md
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Dec 28, 2012 19:53:26 GMT
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yea that sucks  looks like I'll have to consider starting a small business just to be able to afford the place... :/ |
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`state
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Dec 28, 2012 21:36:00 GMT
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Try to find a farm building as you don't pay rates on them.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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md
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Dec 28, 2012 21:45:39 GMT
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really? hmm that might be a viable option - will have to go a bit further afield I think, but I know a farm where there may be some room - do they not count as commercial buildings if on a farm then? :/
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`state
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Dec 28, 2012 21:52:18 GMT
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I rent an old pigshed and when i first started renting it the farmers accountant rung the council to ask and they said that farm buildings arnt ratable.Couldnt get an answer to why but in the last three years we`ve been fine.I put part of the cost through my business too and its all above board on the farmers side and it hasnt caused any problems.
I know acouple of other people who rate them too and they don't pay anything either.
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topaz
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Dec 28, 2012 22:28:29 GMT
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You will also have to pay water rates - even if you are not connected to the water main - there is a charge for rainwater and sewage disposal that is based on your ratable value. I belong to the local model railway club and we are connected to the Community Centre supply but still get a water rates bill ! Agricultural Buildings are exempt but they must be used for agricultural purposes - any other use of the building removes the exemption and normal Business Rates should be payable. This is all explained here www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/41/schedule/5Also from this page there is the following comment www.gov.uk/introduction-to-business-rates/overviewExemptions include: farm buildings and land (excluding buildings used as offices or for other business activities) This suggests that you have been lucky to get away with it so far . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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`state
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Dec 28, 2012 23:04:18 GMT
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Well theres thousands of people getting away with it all over the country. Like i said we do everything above board and the farms being inspected acouple of times and they`ve asked if I'm running a business which I'm not and everythings fine.
I also rung our local authority up about another farm building just before getting this one that was advertised through a lettings agency. On the advert it said rates do not apply so thought id make sure and rung to get the same response,farm buildings are not ratable.
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md
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Dec 28, 2012 23:04:47 GMT
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cheers for clearing that up dude... looks like I'll have to give up on the idea or find someone to share with :/
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topaz
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This really is confusing - I'm no expert, just quoting what I found.
I wonder if it is the farmer who should be paying the rates and not the tenant - after all it's the farmer who will be getting the rent and as he's getting paid for the use of his building then that's proof that it isn't being used for agricultural purposes. I wonder if the difference is that you are using it for personal use only - not a business. However that argument doesn't work for 'normal' buildings - as I mentioned earlier about the model railway club - we have been tenants of our rented building for 20 years and get a Business Rate demand every year - although the Small Business Rate Relief usually means we don't pay much. We lost our other relief as we're not a registered charity, had a bit of money in the bank (we have to supply balances each year) and they said our club wasn't of benefit to the wider community !!
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I shared a unit last year and have been lumbered with a £600 bill which i can't afford to pay. Council are not very helpfull after i explained my situation. The one bloke i used to share with made a lot of money from it but me and my friend (bondyfnm) made nothing. The other bloke is still in there. Even though we only rented half of the unit, the other half had a powdercoating plant in it we were billed for the whole place. The place i have just finished in had no rates as the building owner paid them but due to the previous trouble i have had to quit as i'm just too skint at the minute. Look into rates carefully as the council may be like mine and just say you got to pay.
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supercustom1
So you had a unit, rented half of it out and you got the bill for rates?
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Basically we only had one bay of a two bay unit. The other bay was filled with a powdercoating plant. The council said the landlord would have to partition it off to avoid the rates. He said he wouldn't. So we left but still got to pay the rates for the time we were there.
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Basically we only had one bay of a two bay unit. The other bay was filled with a powdercoating plant. The council said the landlord would have to partition it off to avoid the rates. He said he wouldn't. So we left but still got to pay the rates for the time we were there. ok, right. So you knew the powdercoating bloke? Spoke to him about it? |
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The powder coat plant was no longer used. Landlord was trying to sell it.
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Ah right, now I see
So they have made you liable for the rates. Understandable as it was one unit.
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paynee
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The whole business rate thing is a crock of ****, preventing me from getting a unit at the minute also |
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Bit like saying council tax stops you buying a house.
If you rent a unit with a rateable value of £6000 or less, its free at the moment or you should be getting a discount of 50%.
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Jan 26, 2013 18:08:14 GMT
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I will almost certainly get flamed for this but
Register as a charity or not for profit organisation and you will become eligible for 80 to 100 per cent rate relief plus possible discount electric and even vat relief. May even qualify for discounted rent
Ttfn Glenn
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