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I posted this in other forums, but I wanted to spread the word here. It's a website where you can buy "Terra Passes." The money used to buy the passes supposedly goes to fund clean energy projects. You can choose to offset the pollution your retro ride makes by getting a pass. I'm gonna get one for my Datsun 510 since it's straight-piped and isn't the most eco-friendly vehicle. here's the website: www.terrapass.com/ |
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I think i'll keep my money thanks. Seeing as we're about to get bent over by a load of unjustified 'Green taxes'.  Edit: the website doesn't list cars older than 1985, so i could join in anyway. |
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Last Edit: Jan 17, 2007 8:25:13 GMT by Jack
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Thats an interesting approach,... particularly as its a world wide thing and not jsut country by country ,... Interestingly my Datsun (based on a similar sized engined nissan because it doesn't got back to 1979) would cost around $30 a year to offset for the ammount of driving I do |
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Thats an interesting approach,... particularly as its a world wide thing and not jsut country by country ,... Interestingly my Datsun (based on a similar sized engined nissan because it doesn't got back to 1979) would cost around $30 a year to offset for the ammount of driving I do oh look, Trying to charge me for for than double the CO2 i'm mean't to produce.  Another edit: Does the money go worldwide or just to American projects? |
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Last Edit: Jan 17, 2007 8:29:29 GMT by Jack
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oh look, Trying to charge me for for than double the CO2 i'mean't to produce. yeah that was a bit much ,.. but then I thought... if it is a one to one or even double offset cost against how much Co2 the car produces and its still only $30 (so about £18) a year... why will I be paying so much "green tax" in the UK.. the problem is the same all over the world.. I know this terrapass isn't a government scheme, but it does reflect a more "true" cost... I wonder how much my smart forFour would be... I don't think they had them in the states so I can't find anything compareable.... |
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oh look, Trying to charge me for for than double the CO2 i'mean't to produce. yeah that was a bit much ,.. but then I thought... if it is a one to one or even double offset cost against how much Co2 the car produces and its still only $30 (so about £18) a year... why will I be paying so much "green tax" in the UK.. the problem is the same all over the world.. I know this terrapass isn't a government scheme, but it does reflect a more "true" cost... I wonder how much my smart forFour would be... I don't think they had them in the states so I can't find anything compareable.... Isn't the Smart forfour basically a Mtsubishi colt underneath? I'm not going to work out or even mention my current daily  . anyway......... I'm not denying there are green issues and i am concerned too. I already car share, Walk when i can ( I walk miles somedays ) and i'm all for recycling etc. However all the new intiatives seem to involve me putting my hand in my pocket. Maybe i'm getting cynical in my old age? |
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However all the new intiatives seem to involve me putting my hand in my pocket. yup,.. interesting that this one seems to come out a lot less than our government want to tax us ,.. Problem with my forFour one is that its the diesel, which is a cut down (3cylinders) Merc A-class engine. The rest is Colt though,.. even has a Mitsubishi logo on the little container for the manuals and service records. |
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Last Edit: Jan 17, 2007 9:00:25 GMT by HoTWire
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Interesting points, that i agress with here. not checked the link but it does sond much much fairer, there is no way, my 4 mile cycle this morning will be taken into account in our crappy 'green taxes' in the yUKk!
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mercmad
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Flush Hard,it's a long way to McDonalds.
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Jan 17, 2007 12:35:00 GMT
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I posted this in other forums, but I wanted to spread the word here. It's a website where you can buy "Terra Passes." The money used to buy the passes supposedly goes to fund clean energy projects. You can choose to offset the pollution your retro ride makes by getting a pass. I'm gonna get one for my Datsun 510 since it's straight-piped and isn't the most eco-friendly vehicle. here's the website: www.terrapass.com/Read the information LONG AND HARD...it's yet another in a long line of enviro-con scams ,the biggest being the Kyoto protocol where countries could plant trees to off-set polluting products,such as coal being mined in Australia and sold to China. Australia plants trees in nuimbers big enough to off set the carbon monoxide being produced in China by the Aussie coal.These trees are "carbon Credits"....BUT,Australia can plant extra trees and sell these as "carbon Credits" on a world exchange market...Just like your "terra pass". Get my Drift?...Plant trees to offset some stinking coal fired powerstation in China? or buy some strange "terra pass" to offset the noise your car makes driving around the UK?. Thats right! it's all bull!. Save your money and take a long look at where your money would go,into the coffers of some shinysuit who makes their living from scamming gullible types all over the world and the bigger the scam the more succesful it is. |
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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Jan 17, 2007 12:49:38 GMT
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I look forward to being paid for cycling to the railway station this morning |
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Jan 17, 2007 12:58:33 GMT
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I posted this in other forums, but I wanted to spread the word here. It's a website where you can buy "Terra Passes." The money used to buy the passes supposedly goes to fund clean energy projects. You can choose to offset the pollution your retro ride makes by getting a pass. I'm gonna get one for my Datsun 510 since it's straight-piped and isn't the most eco-friendly vehicle. here's the website: www.terrapass.com/Read the information LONG AND HARD...it's yet another in a long line of enviro-con scams ,the biggest being the Kyoto protocol where countries could plant trees to off-set polluting products,such as coal being mined in Australia and sold to China. Australia plants trees in nuimbers big enough to off set the carbon monoxide being produced in China by the Aussie coal.These trees are "carbon Credits"....BUT,Australia can plant extra trees and sell these as "carbon Credits" on a world exchange market...Just like your "terra pass". Get my Drift?...Plant trees to offset some stinking coal fired powerstation in China? or buy some strange "terra pass" to offset the noise your car makes driving around the UK?. Thats right! it's all bull!. Save your money and take a long look at where your money would go,into the coffers of some shinysuit who makes their living from scamming gullible types all over the world and the bigger the scam the more succesful it is. I'm inclined to agree I'm afraid. |
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canuck
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if it aint broke, fix it till it is!
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Jan 17, 2007 13:34:22 GMT
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Just a thought...
Aren't we (the classic and retro community I mean) doing our bit by using cars well beyond their original life expectancy - and therefore recycling, rather than driving around in new plastic cars which require a hell of a lot of energy to produce?
I'm sure I've seen some figures somewhere that show that even if I was to completely rebiuld my car, from the ground up, I'm talking a complete nut and bolt job - I still wouldn't use as much energy as I would if I bought a new 'economical' car.
Again, its just a thought...
Matt
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Seth
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Jan 17, 2007 13:35:03 GMT
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Haven't looked at the website posted, but this is the UK one. www.climatecare.org/This one funds mostly renewable energy and energy efficiency projects and whilst it does fund reforestation it is not the main focus. This is the one that the 'professionals' use. This website does specifically state that it is not out to help governments meet their targets. As far as all the 'green taxes' go. They are not designed to 'offset' the emissions in the same way, they are designed to reduce our use and encourage us to think before doing things that our 'bad' for the environment. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, just offering a different perspective. Mrs Seth |
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Jan 17, 2007 14:51:25 GMT
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As world oil and gas production is at or near it peak now, it think it's fair to say mankind has bigger problems looming than appeasing his collective concience by planting a few trees. The demand for fossil fuels is growing but from here on in the supply will begin to diminish. The impending disaster of the coming energy crisis will hit us before any serious climate change issues. At present we are beggining to see the start of the mad scramble to take charge of the world remaining oil reserves and at present there is no viable alternative to the use of oil and gas so it will become imperitave for western governments to make sure they can retain control of the resources they need.
As world energy resources begin to fall, so will pollution so in a way one problem concels out the other in the long run. Sadly, I think climate change would have been a walk in the park compared with running out of oil and gas and the impact that is going to have on all of us.
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Jan 17, 2007 14:58:47 GMT
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I thk we should all get carbon passes and credits. I am suitably convinced that the rest of my lifestyle is suitable ecofriendly that runnig a few gas guzzlers is more than offset by other greener practices. It would also encourage individuals to make green adjustments to their lifestyles. But anything that was brought in like this would just be another tax rip off, and even if it wasnt ten everybody would think it was because of the previous track record of the government.
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Jan 17, 2007 15:18:30 GMT
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As world oil and gas production is at or near it peak now, it think it's fair to say mankind has bigger problems looming than appeasing his collective concience by planting a few trees. The demand for fossil fuels is growing but from here on in the supply will begin to diminish. The impending disaster of the coming energy crisis will hit us before any serious climate change issues. At present we are beggining to see the start of the mad scramble to take charge of the world remaining oil reserves and at present there is no viable alternative to the use of oil and gas so it will become imperitave for western governments to make sure they can retain control of the resources they need. As world energy resources begin to fall, so will pollution so in a way one problem concels out the other in the long run. Sadly, I think climate change would have been a walk in the park compared with running out of oil and gas and the impact that is going to have on all of us. I worry about this a lot, it will affect everything we do in our lives and may cause a propper war and big economic changes. i'm no pro in these are just my thoughts. if and when it all runs out we will be green by default, few more tens or hundreds of years fun and wastefullness, then we're all back on bikes and horseback getting back to basics... so why tax the hell out of us and make us feel so guilty? are they buying money power for when the worst does happen. maybe    we've spent a hel of a lot of gas (£200 in 2.75 months)  in our flat cos its not ours and is the house that jack built with single glaze and no insulation old skool boiler, annoying cos nowt I can do except freeze and fossil fuels are wasted. also as mentioned wasted energy and materials going into new cars, thats a lot of power and waste! sobering |
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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for the Tree HuggersBenzBoy
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Jan 17, 2007 16:05:16 GMT
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I thk we should all get carbon passes and credits. I am suitably convinced that the rest of my lifestyle is suitable ecofriendly that runnig a few gas guzzlers is more than offset by other greener practices. It would also encourage individuals to make green adjustments to their lifestyles. I agree there. I did one of those online "carbon footprint" tests (hardly scientific, but hey) and I turned out to be far greener than average, and thats with factoring in running my Benz which I don't do at the moment because it's broke and so am I! One statistic I read is that the world's oil will be all gone in 50 years. Suits me! I'll either be dead or close to it by then! ;D |
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Jan 17, 2007 16:19:02 GMT
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Un fortunately, while it may take 50 years before oil runs out, it will be much much sooner that the impact of dwindling supplies is felt. I'm talking like 10 years down the road. Several areas of the western world are already near maximum capacity in terms of power generation. The funding for alternatives to gas or oil powered electricity generation is not likely to be forthcoming soon enough the make up for the coming shortfall if indeed it comes at all. It still takes energy to even constuct and run alternative power generation systems and if it's left too late the resouces to do so will not be there.
Economic growth depends on oil and gas. Not only that but growth requires and increasing resources and the world now has a decreasing supply. The inevitable shortage is accelerating toward us and it's not about to change.
The serious energy shoratages will be here well within our lifetimes and when that occures then big chages will happen. Our entire modern civilisation is founded on the availability of cheap and plentiful energy. The loss of that source will be the biggest catastrophy to face mankind ever, yet the problem is given very little consideration, not only by the public by also by those in power. This issue, in my opinion, is far more pressing than that of climate change and carbon emmisions. If we don't prepare the the coming change then environmental issues will be the last of our worries.
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Last Edit: Jan 17, 2007 16:20:01 GMT by Ratdat
1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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Jan 17, 2007 17:20:59 GMT
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Fossil fuels for electricity need to go the way of the dinosaur (did you see what I did there)... Nuclear is the answer! www.world-nuclear.org/why/why.htmlTrust me ,.. I know man.... |
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for the Tree HuggersBenzBoy
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Jan 17, 2007 17:27:36 GMT
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I see what you mean RatDat, it's a scary thought. Perhaps I was a little too flippant in my last comment. To be honest I've kind of hit my "green guilt" ceiling recently. There's always alcohol as an alternative automotive fuel. It would create a whole new set of problems regarding crops etc. though. |
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in our flat cos its not ours and is the house that jack built with single glaze and no insulation old skool boiler, annoying cos nowt I can do except freeze and fossil fuels are wasted.