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Jan 11, 2013 15:06:41 GMT
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Great work dude, this is coming on really nicely! Would be a shame to drift it into the armco though! How about a corsa electric column PAS setup? There are plenty of people who have done it on escorts and i'd imagine plenty on sierras. If you need any machining or TIG'ing you know where to find me. Guy
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stealthstylz
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Jan 11, 2013 15:43:43 GMT
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I'd say Saxo/Corsa electric pump too. They're great cos if the engine cuts out you don't lose the steering.
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Copey
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Jan 11, 2013 15:55:17 GMT
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yeah, leccy rack could be a damn good solution
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1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec 1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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Jan 11, 2013 16:54:05 GMT
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Saxo/A class electric pump? PAS would seem to be an advantage for rapid application of lock. An electric PAS pump would be the ideal answer I'll see if I can get hold of one. Will need to do some research as I really have no idea about it and what is required to make it work! Although I hear from some people that PAS can slow down the self centering effect caused by castor. A fair few guys on Tramp Drift run de-pas'd racks. Great work dude, this is coming on really nicely! Would be a shame to drift it into the armco though! How about a corsa electric column PAS setup? There are plenty of people who have done it on escorts and i'd imagine plenty on sierras. If you need any machining or TIG'ing you know where to find me. Guy Hopefully mate I'm not going to crash this one too much ;D As for the electric steering column, would that cause problems with the self centering too. Although if it's popular in Escorts it might be fine, as they seem to live there life sideways. For now I'm just going to drain some of the oil out and loop the pipes over and see how dreadful it is. If it's unbearable I'll do something about it.
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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speedy88
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Jan 11, 2013 20:48:50 GMT
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Just my 2p - I've found that manual racks self-center slightly quicker than PAS and that you have more "feel" of where the wheels are however IMO I actually prefer PAS as you can "catch" the wheel with little or no effort. Check this out for example: Obviously I'm not the best built individual but the PAS made this thing effortless to drift. Now if you've ever seen me try drifting the 360 in the dry... totally different story. I have to really grab the wheel - sometimes I get into situations when I have to really pull at the wheel hard to avoid a kerb/post. It's up to you, but that's what I think. It's not *needed* but it will make your life 10 times easier.
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Jan 12, 2013 22:19:32 GMT
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Check this out for example: Excellent video Mark! Honestly I value everyone's opinion. Like I said I'm going to rock it de-pas'd and see how I get on then sort it out if its a problem. More updates? Why not! Managed to measure up for the drop links today, not hugely happy with the angle they are going to sit at but with the way the ARB kit sits and the location of the TCA having a link that goes directly vertical won't work out. It's hard to describe but hopefully once I've wound the TCA's out it will bring it more vertical. Anyway this is what the ARB relocation kit looks like once bolted on. There is only about 10mm of clearance between the bar and the bottom pulley too! I guess the kit is designed for Cosworth and Pinto powered cars... Drop link length and angle... Then I drop the bar back off and painted the mounts, epic painting skills NAWT!
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Jan 12, 2013 23:20:11 GMT
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getting a 106/saxo pump in is very very easy, all you need to do is get the pipes that attach to the pump, (which is only the feed and return as they have integrated reservoirs) and the wiring which unplugs, you only need a live feed to the relay and a switched live.
Locate the pump wherever you want and get a local farm hydraulics place to knock up pipes to join the sierra pipes to the 106/saxo pipes.
the 106/saxo system never had any cooling loops or coolers which you might want to consider given you'll likely be working it quite hard.
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I have had a few sierras with the ps disconnected on the road and track and i think they drive a lot better without it and even with hot slicks the steering is not too heavy, nice sierra by the way and some good work going into it.
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rtlkyuubi
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Dude, just bin the front arb haha, with coilovers I doubt you will feel the difference. Also had a go in an e36 with a pas rack and no pas and it was curse word horrible. Mega quick opposite lock, but unless your going full attack and needing full lock its bad. If you don't commit and stop drifting mid corner, your heading off the track
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Last Edit: Jan 13, 2013 2:37:08 GMT by rtlkyuubi
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Jan 13, 2013 12:16:45 GMT
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Hmmm bit of a puzzle that one. Can you make a bridge section between the arm mount and the end of the rod that goes into that ball joint bush and mount onto that? Have you got drop links yet? If not, and those are M12 mounts give me a shout, i might be able to help you out there. Guy
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Jan 13, 2013 18:16:48 GMT
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Dude, just bin the front arb haha, with coilovers I doubt you will feel the difference. Also had a go in an e36 with a pas rack and no pas and it was curse word horrible. Mega quick opposite lock, but unless your going full attack and needing full lock its bad. If you don't commit and stop drifting mid corner, your heading off the track I'd say the problem was more to do with a bad suspension set up rather than no pas, BMWs + sierras are more than 3 turns lock to lock so its not going to be too quick, a rwd escort or ae86 etc with a quick rack will be about 2.2 or 2.4 turns lock to lock and a lot heavier to steer than a sierra with the pas disconnected and lots of people drive them on the road no problem
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Jan 15, 2013 11:57:29 GMT
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Mini update! Amazingly the rose joints I ordered yesterday at about 3pm arrived in the post at work about 9am, it shocks me how efficent companies and Royal Mail can be when it all goes to plan lol. Anyway some photos... The plan is to cut the head off a bolt then use a nut and some washers to get them to the right length. Hopefully I'll trial fit them tonight if I get time ;D
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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adamb
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Jan 15, 2013 12:43:12 GMT
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Copey
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Jan 15, 2013 20:19:09 GMT
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very clever plan with the rose joint drop links! hope it works out
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1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec 1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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Jan 15, 2013 23:42:06 GMT
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Will do mate Right escaped to the unit for a few hours this evening, I disconnected the PAS pump and drained the rack of the majority of the oil. I stuck the pipes into a bucket and span the steering wheel around a couple of times. Still sounds like there's a reasonable amount of oil in there to provide lubrication for the pinion and rack. I might chuck some grease on the rack when I replace the rack ends just to make sure. I also managed to roll the front arches although I have lost some paint due to HAMMER TIME! Need to splash some paint on the next time. Right onto the important stuff. First of all I chopped the heads off a couple of bolts to make some studs, then wound the rose joints on to a rough length, then trial fitted them... Then measured the length, took them off and locked them with a couple of nuts to the right length... Fitted...
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Jan 16, 2013 11:37:20 GMT
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i love how this is going, with your pas issue i think like you said expirement with it if it proves to be a nightmare investigate the electrical option but then there are concerns as to the reliabilty of it with what you have in mind. trial and error is fine but couple that with embrassing breakdowns it becomes irritating.....what ever you try I'm sure it will work fine based on the effort you put into everything.
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stealthstylz
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Jan 16, 2013 20:04:18 GMT
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Definitely put grease in the rack, and get some of those red covers that come on recon racks to blank the unions.
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Jan 19, 2013 20:37:45 GMT
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Finally got the front arms and coilovers adjusted, so the only thing left to do was bolt the wheels on and drop it down ;D So photo dump time..... Well happy with how it sits, although I was expecting it to be toeing in and the opposite has happened and the wheels are toeing out massively! Also the rack isn't overly heavy at all. Even dry steering on the spot doesn't feel any heavier than a manual rack. Just got a few finishing touches to make then it'll be ready to roll ;D
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Last Edit: Jan 20, 2013 0:26:15 GMT by Robinxr4i
Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Jan 19, 2013 21:23:04 GMT
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Looks the job lad
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Steve
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Jan 19, 2013 23:39:16 GMT
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Looking sweet mate! Are you keeping the rake or is the back coming down to match the front?
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