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Dec 29, 2006 12:14:45 GMT
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Dec 29, 2006 12:15:35 GMT
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That's almost as good as an XG30!!
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Dec 29, 2006 12:23:20 GMT
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Dec 29, 2006 14:24:23 GMT
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One of my mates had a Korando, apart from the looks he reckoned it was a fabulous bit of kit and soooo reliable. They always looked to me like a curtainside trailer that's hit a bridge and been bent backwards hahaha
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Dec 29, 2006 15:36:09 GMT
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I like the looks. Over on uk.rec.cars.modifications newsgroup I asked whether Ssangyongs where worth getting and got talked down to like a child, and being told "they are curse word because they are curse word because they are curse word", or when I asked why and what experience was like "you don't need to drive it to know it will be a useless heap of sh1t".
Apart from two people. One who had owned a Musso for 5 years and reckoned plasticky and low interior build quality but fast, not bad handling, good offroad and quick on road. Another guy said he looked at a used Korando for on his farm in italy, complained that the carpets looked like they were made from the hair you pull from the plughole.
I like the looks, kind of like a Jeep CJ3 and an M class melted into a G wagon. Modern ish, but still aggressive and a little weird looking. Interior on the Korando looks a little VW, but not at much as on the later models.
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Dec 29, 2006 16:31:49 GMT
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I've been looking at finding a Ssangyong Korando. Cheap, plasticy, basic, but with Merc derived Diesel lump and proper off road capabilities. For less than a similar aged Mondeo. I'm so happy I'm not the only one who likes Ssangyongs, even the "hideous" and "awful" Mussos and Rodius' (Rodii?) are likeable in my skewed eyes... There's a class Musso-based crewcab pickup too, looks kerrazy. ;D There was one of them at my local Ssangyong dealership but I've never actually seen one on the roads. CLASS!
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Dec 29, 2006 16:39:57 GMT
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I like the Musso but I don't need anything so big. I do like the Rexton models, but the Rodius looks too weird for me and I like weird. Looks like a Citroen C4 on stilts with something glued on the back. But there are worse looking cars. I just don't like that one personally.
I think I might get a Korando after all. Can't see a diesel Chairman being available in my budget but a Diesel Korando should be fun to slap up and won the M6 to Blackburn each day. Should be more comfy than the Octavia too.
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Dec 29, 2006 16:46:47 GMT
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I seriously doubt that a Korando will be more 'comfy' than an Octavia.
Imagine driving a land rover defender.... that's what it will be like - noisey bouncey choppy and slow. And then remove the crucial 'landroveryness' ingredient that makes the above 'features' bearable.....
Masochism, surely.
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Dec 29, 2006 16:48:12 GMT
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I'd go for it, the old-skool diesel engine means you can run it on practically anything as well.
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Dec 29, 2006 16:56:04 GMT
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The lumbar support in the Octavia seems to press right on my ribs, the pedals are never in the right place, the car wallows all over the road, and noise gets intrusive ar motorway speeds. Plus I reckon I could pick up a lower mileage Korando for arround the same as I could get for Octavia once I put a years ticket on it (due end of jan). They are supposed to be pretty well specced comfort wise, not rough landy material. I'm looking at the Merc based Korando, not the earlier Korando CJ that was based on a Willys jeep like the the Indian Brave and Chief. www.ssangyongclub.co.uk/members/dave/curse word.jpg[/img] I know leather is going to be hard to find, but I should find even the cloth more comfy a Landie surely.
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Dec 29, 2006 18:41:51 GMT
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Thing is, despite all the claims of being 'Merc based' - they're not, really.
They build cheap copies of Merc. engines and drivetrains under license in Korea. Just as Lada did with Fiat stuff in the 70s and 80s. You may be able to replace some bits with OEM Merc. bits, but you're still dealing with a cheap copy and all that comes with it.
The chassis is still CJ based, meaning they drive like a 50 year old 4wd with a modern engine and box. Interiors may look OK, but they're made from cheap plastics that'll wear badly and fall apart.
If you think they're cheap now..... think about how little you'll get back on one if you run it for 2 or 3 years and then want to sell it.
What I don't understand is that, despite all the evidence telling you they're curse word, and despite most people you ask telling you they're curse word, you keep asking about 'em...... are you hoping that if you ask often enough, you'll be told they're the best used bargain out there or something?
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Odin
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Dec 29, 2006 19:03:58 GMT
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I can't see a Korando being more refined and better handling than an Octavia, personally.......
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Hirst
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Dec 29, 2006 19:16:39 GMT
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With regards to Ssangyongs, does anyone else love the huge "R E X T O N" badge on the back of the similarly named vehicle?
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Dec 29, 2006 19:22:34 GMT
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Thing is, despite all the claims of being 'Merc based' - they're not, really. The chassis is still CJ based, meaning they drive like a 50 year old 4wd with a modern engine and box. Interiors may look OK, but they're made from cheap plastics that'll wear badly and fall apart. CJ-based with IFS and a coil-sprung rear axle? The engines are based on '80s Mercedes units and pretty good, I've heard stuff about them being cobbled together from various different parts from different Mercedes engines though. They really aren't bad as long as you aren't bearing the depreciation and don't care about cheap interiors.
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Last Edit: Dec 29, 2006 19:24:05 GMT by milfordcubicle
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Dec 29, 2006 19:38:55 GMT
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From what I've read, the basic 'ladder' of the chassis is the same as the CJ type cars with some cheap curse word modern-ish suspension hung on each end.
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Dec 29, 2006 20:39:56 GMT
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OK, curse word modernish, as in torsion bar front and coil rear. You could never make a car handle like that could you.
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Dec 29, 2006 20:49:05 GMT
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There's a bloody big difference between the Alfetta chassis and the Korando chassis.
Starting with it not being some shoddily welded together bits of angle-iron with a boat anchor of a diesel lump up front.
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Dec 29, 2006 21:13:05 GMT
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If you were asking 'What can I buy as a cheap, reliable toy for tuggin' big trailers an' chugging through mud?'
It would seem sensible. Well sensible once they reach the bottom of their depreciation curve that is.
Can't think of a worse car to tick the boxes you're wanting ticked though.
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Odin
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Dec 29, 2006 21:41:31 GMT
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If you just want a diseasel squidge-mobile to plod along at 80 in, what about a Vauxhall Omega or summat? I suspect you could get a 2.5td one with all the toys for about the same price as a Korando. As to the subject of Korean luxobarges, the value you get with them is astounding. I'd have one but all the decent specs have big V6s. I doubt the insurers would even give me the time of day.
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Dec 29, 2006 22:40:31 GMT
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I'm luckily an old fart. Insurance is a weird item, where some old "well" badged marques come out expensive when they are van engined hatchback, but Range Rovers come in far cheaper.
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