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Nov 29, 2006 20:58:01 GMT
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I really want to have proper go at some drifting, always appealed to me thats why i went on a 'drift day' for my graduation present - Hard to tell, but i was giving it full sideways beans, got told off for hitting the limiter too much, and broke the throttle cable   Depending on circumstances i really want to build a purpose built drift car next, spaceframe and bike power, in a retro fiberglass bodyshell. J |
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Nov 29, 2006 22:15:42 GMT
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I saw something a while back with Tiff Needell drifting a 1000cc Morris Minor IIRC. Simple start, as much fun. And as said above..... Everyone starts somewhere. I was going to say just that. You don't need a powerful car to have fun even if you do to drift competitively. Drifting starts at walking pace in one of those on a wet roundabout, absolutely fantastic! My parents Morris Marina 1.3 was the same. A 19 year old me spent many happy journeys honing those sideways skills in that car. I still have the grin nearly 2 decades later.  |
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Nov 30, 2006 13:06:14 GMT
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I remember demonstating to a mate who believed that my stock 948cc Morris Minor was tehy ghey that anything with RWD can be fun... It required a damp car park and those old cross ply tyres... You could do ballet with that thing.
On the subject of drifting forums I have to say I was put off by dropping in and visiting them last time I looked (18 months ago maybe now) as it seemed to be an awful lot of insult throwing going on and also about every thread had at least one refference to drag racers being "gay".
None of my business how drifting forums carry on but I wonder if I'm the only person who dropped in, looked around and left sharpish never to return and carrying a negative impression of the sport from it...
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Nov 30, 2006 13:34:05 GMT
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On the subject of drifting forums I have to say I was put off by dropping in and visiting them last time I looked (18 months ago maybe now) as it seemed to be an awful lot of insult throwing going on and also about every thread had at least one refference to drag racers being "gay". None of my business how drifting forums carry on but I wonder if I'm the only person who dropped in, looked around and left sharpish never to return and carrying a negative impression of the sport from it... I had noticed on brief vists to some places cant remember where, but I have never gone on and tested the water to be fair. I joined an mountain bike forum and that was pretty much tunnel visioned IMO, all about hard core vs ghey type of situation, full of kids I can understand though. Thats a sport I have been involved with on and off too! So I would not be put off by drift types on forums, though I would be pretty nervous turning up for my first go. We should organise a few of us to do a beginner day, or quiet general day, it would be ace. we have a good collection of gents and ladies on here like minded, a few of us trying it out would be brill IMO, |
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Nov 30, 2006 13:38:03 GMT
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I'd be game for that? Just hire an air strip and have a 'beginners' section where we can watch and try it ourselves ;D
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Nov 30, 2006 13:38:11 GMT
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Yeah, you can tell which is us, we're the ones slithering about the outfield backwards with stalled motors LOL.
I'm up for it.
I was going to ask if you can drift an automatic, being as you can powerslide one, but I know that the "drift" is supposed to be off-power itsn't it? Thats where I get confused.
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Nov 30, 2006 13:40:54 GMT
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isnt it dumping clutch mid corner and undumping with power, my guess! sure theres various techniques. Might be poss!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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Nov 30, 2006 13:42:09 GMT
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Well, you can be on power in a drift - it takes a balance of braking and throttle control to achieve and hold the angle you desire around a corner I think powersliding is a simplified form of drifting, really - when you're coming into a corner and apply throttle to break the rear end of the car out to slide around the corner. They have many similarities... |
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Last Edit: Nov 30, 2006 13:48:47 GMT by Lewis
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Nov 30, 2006 14:14:23 GMT
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I think i'll open up 'RR drift day' thread early next year (spring?) then when we know what dosh n rides we have. If anyone wants to do one ASAP go ahead at minimum i'll come to watch. Would it be useful to do a trackday first, or is it totally irrelevent? Cos i'd like to do one, So 'RR track day' thread could come first... |
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Nov 30, 2006 14:18:44 GMT
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Is it best to have narrower rear tyres for drifting? I'd be tempted to lob on a set of almost-knackered tyres for drift action, as I expect that they don't last too long. Then put a decent set back on for the drive home...
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Nov 30, 2006 14:25:43 GMT
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Benzboy, Topi answerd this abit on his sierra thread in Readers Rides for me. will try find it to save him the effort. not sure about quality of brand/tyres I think having a spare set is essential.  Cheap drifting, with an endless supply of spares at local scrappies. Sorted. Oh and tyres for drifting. Although its obvious easier to get the backend out with skinny tyres at high psi, it's generally not good for drifting. Alot of people oversee the fact that you need to be able to control the speed and direction of the car while it's sideways, so you do still need a good level of grip. But of course, my car has 115bhp and isn't small, so I can't really go for optimum high-speed drift set-ups! Idealy I use 175/65/14 @ 45psi or 185/60/14 @ 50psi, but I tent to just use what ever I can get my hands on. Because of the rear camber, it doesn't reeeally make an awfull lot of difference. |
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Nov 30, 2006 14:38:42 GMT
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Cheers for digging that up reanimation I was musing over the fact that my car has a lowly 125bhp and 225 rear tyres... plus it weighs a fair amount. Could be tricky getting her ass to waggle. That said I doubt I'd be drifting the Merc anyway. |
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Nov 30, 2006 15:22:37 GMT
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Cheers for digging that up reanimation I was musing over the fact that my car has a lowly 125bhp and 225 rear tyres... plus it weighs a fair amount. Could be tricky getting her ass to waggle. That said I doubt I'd be drifting the Merc anyway. No prob. Thats it for me too. MR2 not ideal for beginner I would of thought, though it can shake its tail so I guess i'd try it!  I'm dieing to  CVH sapph I wouldnt like to try really probs not enough power and too much of a standard road car plus its gonna get sold! Doubt the 3dr will get done next year and wouldnt want to break it too much either. Drifting can ruin cars cant it? |
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Nov 30, 2006 15:29:32 GMT
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Any form of motorsport can damage cars...
I wouldn't use anything "special" competitively...
Again, I've heard it said that proper drifters do it with downforce on the back and good grippy sticky tyres.
I got told off for assuming that drifting was like powersliding...
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macky
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Nov 30, 2006 15:40:22 GMT
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the throwing of diesel on roundabouts is bad news wouldn't go as far to say homosexual all though some of the people who do it may or may not be gay. going sideways is an amazing feeling even if its a cheecky hand brake in the the local snow kissed tescos car park ;0) you've all done it. its definetly on my to do list
main points to consider when drifting
you car will get a battering with regards cooling bigger the better some diesel radiators are an excellent substitute
drifts wont be very good without a moddified differential. the cheapest way is a weld diff
tyres are important the worse the better
i read an article in where a bloke used a vauxhall omega v6 and the power steering fluid boiled form the beating it was taking
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Nov 30, 2006 17:45:51 GMT
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the worse the better? thats a bad idea for drifting, sure start off with part worns and stuff, but eventually you learn its not about having a total lack of rear traction. drifting a car with good rear tyres is a lovely experience, past a certain point knackered part worns on the back just don't cut it.
ive never had any problems with cooling, even my supra which had the worlds biggest airlock.
my e30 sat at half way round the temp guage at teeside after being on or pretty near the revlimiter all night.
yes you can drift an automatic
theres loads of techniques to initiate a drift, i cant be bothered to type them all as there is loads of places to find out, and videos like the drift bible which give a new person a great insight into how people drift.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Nov 30, 2006 20:43:08 GMT
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Yeah, you can tell which is us, we're the ones slithering about the outfield backwards with stalled motors LOL. I'm up for it. I was going to ask if you can drift an automatic, being as you can powerslide one, but I know that the "drift" is supposed to be off-power itsn't it? Thats where I get confused. I don't see why you can't just do a flick to get the car off balance instead of dumping the clutch. I'm dying to try it with my auto crapi, see how it does. |
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Nov 30, 2006 20:54:10 GMT
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Yeah Like RWNick says theres loads of ways. I was just watching some of the guys at JAE how they were doing it, just anything to provoke their asses out, there were some tired tyres that day!  |
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Nov 30, 2006 21:04:29 GMT
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yeh you can flick the car,
"shiftlock" - which is like letting the revs die in gear then quickly releasing the clutch,
"clutchkick" when on throttle bang the clutch in and out as quick as possible.
handbrake
all sorts really. no way to explain it properely, best to get in a car and experiment
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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topi
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Nov 30, 2006 21:05:45 GMT
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As said before, there's a whole heap of ways to get your car sideways and keep it there. The thing to start off with, is to enter the corner with reasonable speed with a slight flick, and kick the clutch. Obviously with an auto it's different. You have to jump ahead a bit and use the weight of the car. You're guarenteed to spin alot on your first practice day, but it's all learning . Deffinately don't be afriad to go to an already set-up practice day though lads, I've seen people teaching their girlfriends how to donut and stuff like that, nobody really takes any notice unless you ask for help. |
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