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non gtr and m/v spec ones are sluggish and expensive to run, they atract the higher premiums without the performance to match, simple as! (all reports i've heard/read/seen have described the non gtr versions this way too) plus r34s are getting common enough for owners to upgrade to them now, 33's are old hat I agree and disagree with what you say. Yes about insurance and maybe running costs, and definitely about the R33/R34 thing. However, the only people who think normal Skylines are slow would be those who only know about GT-Rs and expect every Skyline to be a beast. Ratdat's saloon was pretty much about as low down the pecking order as you can get in an R33, but it still seemed more than adequate to me. The RB-series engine is great, I'd happily chuck a non-turbo 2.0 or 2.5 into my old 240K! I wouldn't be too hasty with that. My 110 L24 twin carb is faster than my brothers 32 RB20DE. Also, I have to dismiss the haters, there's only one potentially crappy version of the liners and in the 32 it's the GXi (CA18DE Powered) and in the 33 It's the fact that they're overweight.  It simply doesn't HAVE to be a GT-R to be good. The non-GT-Rs are brilliant for their price, turbo, non-turbo etc. The downside to the 33 GTS4 (4WD) is that unlike the 32 variant, the 33 is non-turbo. Boo. |
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give me a KPGC10 anyday  I hear ya, I would kill for one of these. Regarding the newer skylines, the only car I like is the R32 GTR, the R33's are rubbish and generally so are many other imports. I have done a fair bit of work on them over time and for a start the metal is absolute rubbish. They were designed to last only a couple of years and then could no longer get registered in Japan so they are basically throwaway cars in Japan. Ads regularly advertise low mileage(well is aussieland anyway) when in actual fact these are usually worse then cars with 300000+kms as they would never been service recieved oil etc while living in Japan. There is alot more to it but really I wont be buying an import anytime soon, thats why I bought a Aust delivered RX7, but even then running gear is all being replaced with Lexus V8 and so on if I don't sell it. Fell free to correct me but thats my point of view coming from Australia, don't know whether you got the new in Europe or what. Peachey |
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Hmmmmm...
Like the shape of the 32 and 33's.
Had a 2.0l a long time ago as a company car. Nice, but interestingly prefered my fuel injected multivalve 1.6 Sunny that I replaced it with..... just seemed to be a better ballance for the job I did.
However, never got to play the Skyline on a track or anything, and it was never the same after I parked it up the rear of 2 other cars in early morning rush hour.... ;-((
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I think the R33 skyline has an image problem also. When I see an R34 GTR on the road, I think "money", when I see an R32 GTR on the road I think "discerning bloke who chose well and knows his old J cars". But when I see an R33 GTR I think "dodgy chav with a bit of cash". When it's a non-GTR version it's just "dodgy chav".
I also see loads of R33s with graphics, stickers, kits, enourmous exhausts and lights underneath. It's just not cool.
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Nov 28, 2006 12:58:44 GMT
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R32 and R33 GT-Rs are cheap because of oversupply - a huge number of ropey Grade 0 etc. cars have also come over in the last two-to-three years, which devalue the decent ones.
Good cars are actually sometimes cheaper in the UK than in Japan, where decent R32 GT-Rs are rising in value.
This means they fall into the wrong hands of people who can't afford to run them (and who can't see that not every Skyline is anything special - it's Nissan's Vauxhall Omega in reality). Gran Turismo also has a lot to answer for, as do the usual suspects like Lax Power - not much makes me more miserable than seeing the sorts who now turn them into chav chariots, covered in shopping lists, stupid body kits and "installs".
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Nov 28, 2006 13:11:24 GMT
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a few of my friends have r32 gtst's and one has just bought an r32 gtr for £4.5k with about 30kmiles on the clock.
gtst's are definately not sluggish for a 2.0 turbo, my friend has a non standard turbo an external wastegate and just got a new fuel computer
another friend had a standard rb20det but with a pair of cams and an exhaust..fast it definately was. he has now pulled that engine and getting an rb30det for it, with the turbo he is choosing its going to be good for 450bhp at the wheels.
both the r32gtst's were mint when bought and both cost less than £3k. bargainous
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Philip
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one has just bought an r32 gtr for £4.5k with about 30kmiles on the clock I hope he had a good look at it first, because anything over Grade 3.5 with that genuine mileage would probably go for more than that at auction in Japan. Phil |
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Nov 28, 2006 13:16:59 GMT
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whats grade 3.5?
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Philip
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Nov 28, 2006 13:25:25 GMT
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Auction condition grades - all the cheap cars come via the auctions. Not every auction has the same gradings, but usually Grade 1 is a modified car; 0, R and A are accident-damaged/repaired; Grade 3.5 and above are what you want to buy.
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Nov 28, 2006 13:33:37 GMT
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ah well he bought this car from a guy who bought it into the tuning garage where he works. the guy just wanted rid of it as he had just taken delivery of an r34 gtr. the only thing that is wrong with this car is the bonnet is a silver one with black vinyl patches on to make it look like chequers...
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Nov 28, 2006 13:43:20 GMT
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Interesting stuff all of this. I'd love a R32, look gorgous, specially the top model, ideally standard as it'd be plenty for me and i'd worry like hell about if summat breaks!  The ones before are good for retro novelty R30,31? R33 I agree i see chav most of the time, rightly or wrongly, but i'd have one as a toy if i got a cheap straight one. My Micra was defo disposable tat, but were these cars ( the fast uns) not summat like £50k new? throw away - that is bad depreciation!  |
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Nov 28, 2006 13:49:13 GMT
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R33s (the vast majority GT-S) have been latched onto by the chavs; there are loads of them around.
You have to remember that although they were expensive new (especially the few UK R33s and R34s), quite a few were made, and they're still Nissans at the end of the day.
As for standard cars - where's the fun in that? 400 bhp/tonne is where it gets interesting ...
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I would love a 2.0 turbo R32 (well obviously I'd love a GTR more but gotta be realistic). I agree that the R33's have been taken over by chavs but that wouldn't put me off as it just means theres more demand for them and better parts availbility. Would love to own one but doubt I ever will  |
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Nov 28, 2006 14:30:58 GMT
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As for standard cars - where's the fun in that? 400 bhp/tonne is where it gets interesting ... Phil Agreed, but one step at a time, if it was owned by someone trusty at doing getting work done then fine, plus it would be a power hike up from an MR2! but the computer could see to all the mayhem i'd make! LOL |
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Nov 28, 2006 14:35:17 GMT
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