benjy_b
Yorkshire and The Humber
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May 19, 2012 15:10:34 GMT
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F20C from a Honda S2000! Stupidly overpriced, however you get 240bhp, a six speed box and 9000rpm... Hence why I've got one in my Corolla. On a serious note, I like the idea of the Isuzu Diesel. Plenty of torque for skidding, easily tunable, runs on veg and 45mpg when driving normally. P.S. If you fit the Izusu, I will be straight down with cash for the asking price!
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2005 Subaru Forester 2.5XT 1999 BMW E36 318i Touring with OM605 Mercedes Engine 1996 Lada Riva with Honda S2000 Engine
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May 19, 2012 17:03:17 GMT
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Ford 2.0 or 2.3 DOHC 16v (Scorpio, Galaxy, Escort mk5 RS2000) type-9 will fit with no adaptors, a suitable donor Scorpio can be found for peanuts. Okay tuning is fairly limited, but I'd imagine 140ish bhp in a Riva would be pretty rapid. This what I'd look to do.
Or SR20DE? Loads of N/A S14's get broken or converted in DET power, I'm sure an N/A one could be picked up cheap enough, it's an all alloy engine puts outs 150bhp. Tough as old boots and chain driven too.
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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mirafioriman
Posted a lot
My next project.......
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May 19, 2012 21:42:58 GMT
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Fiat twin cam engines and boxes still regularly come up for sale on ebay. As for tuning them just speak to Guy Croft
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the Mazda MX5 1.8 VVT engine works really well in my Datsun. it's taken a bit of fiddleing to get it to run about the best it has ever been and now really pulls like a train. the Mazda 5 speed gearbox as an absolute treat to use. the gearbox is close ratio and the same gap between all 5 gears. the VVT engine is 147bhp standard and does have the complication of an immobiliser in the system but saying that Alramone got it all working when he originally fitted the engine. i just improved the inlet by porting the runners and modifing the plenum, making a spacer to keep the manifold cool and bypassed the butterfly heating system. i also fitted a larger bore exhaust system. from research the VVT inlet manifold is the best one to use because it doesn't have the extra butterflys as some of the other Mazda units. they are easy to split apart to modify. the VVT is also completly variable not just switched from advance to retard at certain rpm. even with light throttle the engine just wants to rev. it's not that easy keeping the to 30 mph speed limit because the throttle needs just the lightest of touches. i often have the keep it in third rather than forth or fifth to keep the speed down. if you did go the 1.8 VVT route but wanted carbs there is a VVT control unit available . from what i read the inlet cam is retarded at idle, advances as the revs increase then retards again at high rpm.
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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Club RR Member Number: 34
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I like the c20xe engine, nice simple design and plenty of power. If you get the later coilpack version you should be able to hook that to megajolt, then the standard manifold can be adapted for bike carbs. You can turn a fwd tubular exhaust manifold around to rwd, quick mod to the sump and its in (for you its a quick mod for the rest of us it isn't ). For the gearbox i'd go ford because manta boxes are getting to stupid money. Other options are the omega boxes but that means a hydraulic clutch and electronic speedo signal. Also I don't think they have a sliding prop joint in the back. They are a bolt on flange as they're designed for a non moving diff rather than axle. i don't really know much about the c20xe, but youve echoed my thoughts exactly on the gearboxes. an omega box is a pretty viable option if it fits in the tunnel, as hydro clutch is actually beneficial, cos it already is. fititng a slider to a prop is no biggie if I'm making a prop anyway. that would mean i can drop the isuzu straight in. hmmmmm...
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
And I won't sit down. And I won't shut up. And most of all I will not grow up.
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I did find an outlet on ebay selling brand new 2ltr Zetec blacktops for £800 if that's of any interest. All there, complete with loom, ecu and everything ready to go, plug and play. Sounds like a damn good bargain to me too expensive. by the time you factor in everything needed to complete the conversion, it would work out pretty pricey. Don't forget about the Ford Sigma (zetec SE), a 1600 with ZX6R carbs does apparantly over 140 hp. It needs a bellhousing, though. absolutely no point going for it over a 'normal' zetec though. F20C from a Honda S2000! Stupidly overpriced, however you get 240bhp, a six speed box and 9000rpm... Hence why I've got one in my Corolla. On a serious note, I like the idea of the Isuzu Diesel. Plenty of torque for skidding, easily tunable, runs on veg and 45mpg when driving normally. as you say, honda lump is awesome but WAAAAAAy to pricey. the isuzu is making more sense the more i think about it tbh. I'm still nit sure about the power delivery being 'right' though. Ford 2.0 or 2.3 DOHC 16v (Scorpio, Galaxy, Escort mk5 RS2000) type-9 will fit with no adaptors, a suitable donor Scorpio can be found for peanuts. Okay tuning is fairly limited, but I'd imagine 140ish bhp in a Riva would be pretty rapid. This what I'd look to do. Or SR20DE? Loads of N/A S14's get broken or converted in DET power, I'm sure an N/A one could be picked up cheap enough, it's an all alloy engine puts outs 150bhp. Tough as old boots and chain driven too. again, if it bolts up to a type 9 but donest have much in the way of tuning backup, its pretty pointless fitting it over a zetec. the SR is a more interesting preposition though, but not something I'm particularly familiar with. might have to research that one. Fiat twin cam engines and boxes still regularly come up for sale on ebay. As for tuning them just speak to Guy Croft they do. prices are pretty inflated though due to demand by minor owners. parts are pretty expensive too.they're not a bad engine, but still old tech compared to a lot of the others on offer here. more than anything, it kind of just a bit boring to use that. the Mazda MX5 1.8 VVT engine works really well in my Datsun. it's taken a bit of fiddleing to get it to run about the best it has ever been and now really pulls like a train. the Mazda 5 speed gearbox as an absolute treat to use. the gearbox is close ratio and the same gap between all 5 gears. the VVT engine is 147bhp standard and does have the complication of an immobiliser in the system but saying that Alramone got it all working when he originally fitted the engine. I just improved the inlet by porting the runners and modifing the plenum, making a spacer to keep the manifold cool and bypassed the butterfly heating system. I also fitted a larger bore exhaust system. from research the VVT inlet manifold is the best one to use because it doesn't have the extra butterflys as some of the other Mazda units. they are easy to split apart to modify. the VVT is also completly variable not just switched from advance to retard at certain rpm. even with light throttle the engine just wants to rev. it's not that easy keeping the to 30 mph speed limit because the throttle needs just the lightest of touches. I often have the keep it in third rather than forth or fifth to keep the speed down. if you did go the 1.8 VVT route but wanted carbs there is a VVT control unit available . from what I read the inlet cam is retarded at idle, advances as the revs increase then retards again at high rpm. thats a nice setup, but i fear initial purchase price may be an issue, and i think there is just a little bit too much electrickery going on there for me. the only reason i considered mx5 power is ive already got a motor. otherwise on paper it falls short of other conversions giving the same or more power for less complication.
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May 21, 2012 13:30:18 GMT
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not a twink, I know, but... Mazda Rotary turbo?
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Last Edit: May 21, 2012 13:53:19 GMT by EssexRich
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rob0r
East of England
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May 22, 2012 16:03:34 GMT
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I know you've dismissed them and this is a text book Rob suggestion... 318is engine. Cheap, reliable, gearboxes/fly/clutches a plenty, 140bhp. They even come with a factory four branch manifold. The engine from my old silver E30 318is was golden and returned 30mpg no matter how much abuse I gave it. Also you have the choice of front or rear sump depending if you get the engine from an E30 or E36. If you do reconsider I have a couple of engines/boxes on the floor you can measure up, I'm not trying to flog them as they're not for sale .
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E30 320i 3.5 - E23 730 - E3 3.0si - E21 316 M42 - E32 750i ETC
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May 22, 2012 16:17:47 GMT
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I like Mr Bognor's suggestion of the late model twin-cam "small-block" Fiat. Would bolt straight up as the block is the same as the old 1500 SOHC.
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May 22, 2012 20:20:23 GMT
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Hyabusa engine, hydraulic pump, a hydraulic motor, and sone pipe work, twink, sequential gearbox, and would sound the danglies
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"No............I think I'll stick with the Maxi"
Arther Daley
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markbognor
South East
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Club RR Member Number: 56
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May 22, 2012 20:25:28 GMT
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I like Mr Bognor's suggestion of the late model twin-cam "small-block" Fiat. Would bolt straight up as the block is the same as the old 1500 SOHC. I had a feeling there was some family line there because steathstylz was talking about one going in his uno a while back. Does that mean they would bolt up to the same boxes as the old twin cam and therefore the lada box as well? They are however plagued with complicated electrickery.
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May 22, 2012 20:37:37 GMT
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I like Mr Bognor's suggestion of the late model twin-cam "small-block" Fiat. Would bolt straight up as the block is the same as the old 1500 SOHC. I had a feeling there was some family line there because steathstylz was talking about one going in his uno a while back. Does that mean they would bolt up to the same boxes as the old twin cam and therefore the lada box as well? They are however plagued with complicated electrickery. Yup, they have a family line. There's a list of capacities, powers, codes and applications here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_SOHCAnd I'm 99% sure that it'll bolt to the same 'box as the twink, and thus the Lada.
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Last Edit: May 22, 2012 20:38:53 GMT by jrevillug
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May 22, 2012 20:56:05 GMT
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Click picture for more
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May 22, 2012 21:56:57 GMT
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the speedo drive is on the transfer box on the niva
if your planning on doing an engine conversion, try n use an engine with a pressed steel sump so you can modify it to sit round the front diff or be prepared to make a new one from scratch!!
(about to start putting a 1.7td isuzu lump in my niva, got r25-r28 gearbox for £60 which is 2"shorter than my 4 spd box and a similar shape to niva box n all, n it bolts directly to transfer box as well! the only concern i got at the minute is that the gearlever is real close to hi/lo lever but not impractical so i think il leave it as is) oh n the r25r28 has also got a mechanical speedo drive on the box as well so iv got a choice of 2 places to get my speedo reading
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May 22, 2012 22:51:46 GMT
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^ Good advice, but this is going in a Riva not a Niva.
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What about a Rover k-series? Lots of experience of making them rwd with the Lotus 7 boys. A choice power 'out of the box' of 105, 120 or 140 bhp from the 1.4, 1.6 or 1.8. Or 160 from a vvc.
If you want to know about tuning potential search for "Dave Andrews"... He's MR K-series...
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May 23, 2012 12:57:54 GMT
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Saab B234/B204 , internals good for up to 500 bhp as standard, Trionic 5 engine management is WAY better than any standalone for the money. Will mate up with Omega boxes or BMW (with adaptor plate). Huge tuning potential and knowledge base out there plus the quirk factor. Buy a whole NG900 for £300, strip out everything you need, weigh in/sell whats left and you should have the setup for close to nothing. Hairy Trolls are great
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May 23, 2012 13:32:50 GMT
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Will mate up with Omega boxes or BMW (with adaptor plate). Just to add that an XE to type-9 bellhousing adaptor would allow this engine to fit a type-9 too, although I would imagine even a mildly tuned Saab turbo engine will reduce a type-9 to cheese in little or no time.
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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May 23, 2012 14:58:33 GMT
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Having recently got a 2.0l 9-3 turbo, with apparently 185 bhp, it feels like these are very consevatively rated engines.
A friend of mine with an Audi S2 was a little taken aback at how "quick" the Saab felt compared with her Audi.
Which actually begs a queston: is there room in the Lada for a 5-pot? Audi use them longitudely or what about a Volvo T-5 lump?
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May 23, 2012 23:05:12 GMT
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Fiat 2.0 16v tc from a fiat coupe.
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