Dez
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May 18, 2012 21:16:37 GMT
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which would you choose, and why? this is to go in the lada, hypothetically.
cos if it don't sell, its what I'm gunna do.
all are likely to end up with megajolt and bike carbs, purely for simplicity of swappage, unless they're easy to set up standalone.
4age out of an mr2. id have to make a gearbox adapter to RWD it to a type 9 or the lada 5spd box. I know I can make this run on stock management without too much issue though. tough engines and laods of tuning stuff out there for em.
zetec. probably 1800 silvertop from a mk5 or 6 escort, cos they're loads cheaper and easier to get than a 2L mondeo lump. I'm doing one into a minor at the mo and have done others so I know what I'm on with.
mk1 mk5 1600. I actually have a complete package sat here already, harder to make run on stock management but theoretically possible, and I think ive got more or less everything to do it.
fiat twincam. the obvious choice cos its bolt-in, but hardly a common engine to find anymore.
or, total curveball, a 1.7 isuzu turbodiesel. yeah I got one of them laying around too!! I need a gearbox though.
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Last Edit: May 24, 2012 23:43:09 GMT by Dez
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May 18, 2012 21:22:45 GMT
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Haha....my suggestions were going to be a Mk1 MX5 or a leftfield suggestion of a 1.7 Isuzu (I kinda guessed what car it was going in) I wonder why they would be my suggestions?  Will try and call you tomorrow, might have some news for you... |
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craig1010cc
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May 18, 2012 21:28:00 GMT
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318 IS/Ti lump, get them cheap enough and plenty of power
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May 18, 2012 21:28:31 GMT
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If it was a daily, then I would consider the isuzu, decent power, decent economy, problem is finding a gearbox, the omega one is great, but no speedo drive
it would be great to up the fueling until it smokes a little, plus it will sound like a bag of spanners, but go like a rocket, ultimate sleeper ;D
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stealthstylz
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May 18, 2012 21:32:04 GMT
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Tune the plums out of the lada motor.
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Kieran
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May 18, 2012 21:42:34 GMT
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I think the biggest problem is the size of the tunnel.
A type 9 and zetec would probably be a no brainer, but iirc, the lada box is a nice dainty small thing, and a type 9 bellhousing would struggle.
How about a later fiat engine from a marea / brava? Wonder if the engine would bolt up?
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2002 Kawasaki ZX9r race bike
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markbognor
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May 18, 2012 21:42:49 GMT
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Stilo/Punto 1.8 16v? would make telling folk you had done a fiat twink conversion more interesting. I've tried to find out if there are any know rwd conversions of the engine - but I am failing to even find out its code designation to continue searching!
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May 18, 2012 21:53:52 GMT
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All are great options.
I'm not a GM man, but don't forget the GM CX20E which can make silly power on DCOE carbs and cams. Not that common is the latter 2.0 Ecotec, however an X20XEV comes in the Omega B so you get the gearbox for free.
Other option might be a Rover K-series, there was/is a bellhousing available for the Lada box (Frogeye Car Company).
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May 18, 2012 23:02:50 GMT
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OM605?  .....lol |
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RobinJI
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I wouldn't worry much about getting the MX-5 engine running seperately on it's original management. They're quite an easy ECU to isolate. Going to a standalone ECU on my MX-5 was quite easy with just an adapter harness and caused the sacrificed of absolutely zero features. On the other hand, the original injection system is a bit curse word, a well set of set of carbs with megajolt should be just as efficient I'd have thought.
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What about the VW 1.8KR or 2.09a engines ? Very small cheap as chips and plenty poke............  |
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All those engines will bump up the running costs of the lada due to putting it into the higher tax band. 1550cc upwards or whatever it is. so an extra £100 odd quid a year? might make a difference in your decision or resale? Cus i'm a cheapskate i'd be looking at getting something smaller, but there's not a whole lot of stuff under 1550cc thats twink. There's a Honda lump, but is that the backwards spinning one?, a Mitsubishi/proton and a Nissan one. All probably quite cheap second hand as they're not typical conversion material. if your gonna go for a higher tax band engine, make it worth it. either something with power, or really good on juice, like the 1.7 Isuzu i guess? I'd plum for a 1.5 Isuzu turbo diesel. (which is why i've still got one, that i really need to buy another car for  ) |
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What ever you do, don't use the Lada 'box. According to the gurus, the Lada 5 speed box is not able to cope with higher power outputs.
When Ben and I were visiting 'The Lada Man', he told us he had a 131 mirafiori 'box for sale, and didn't want a lot for it.
Visit Lada.co.uk to get his contact details. He can also give you advice on engine swaps etc.
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I like the c20xe engine, nice simple design and plenty of power. If you get the later coilpack version you should be able to hook that to megajolt, then the standard manifold can be adapted for bike carbs. You can turn a fwd tubular exhaust manifold around to rwd, quick mod to the sump and its in (for you its a quick mod for the rest of us it isn't ). For the gearbox i'd go ford because manta boxes are getting to stupid money. Other options are the omega boxes but that means a hydraulic clutch and electronic speedo signal. Also i don't think they have a sliding prop joint in the back. They are a bolt on flange as they're designed for a non moving diff rather than axle. |
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Dez
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I want to stick to something that has a tuning market, so nothing too oddball. I can buy manifolds, cams, better clutches, ign stuff, etc. off the shelf cheaply for most of the engines ive listed. the factory lada engine is rated at around 75hp. my concern with the mazda lump is although its all there ready to go as ive already got it, I'm not too sure how worthwhile a conversion it is, as its only rated at 115hp, and donest respond massively well to tuning. about 130 is its limit without forced induction. matt- I could concevably get the lada lump to over 100hp with a good skim off the head, carbs, an exhaust and a cam (which are available, kent do them). which is what makes a conversion to get the same figures with the mx5 lump seem pointless. what I would like though, is the exhaust manifold to be on the other side, cos of space constraints. currently, cos its a non-crossflow head, everything on the engine bay is on the drivers side. if I could get the exhaust across to the passenger side, it will remove any exhuast restriction due to space. kieran- AFAIK, a type 9 goes in with little to no cutting or bashing- according to the rally boys anyway. I think the shifter holes needs some work and thats it. apparently the lada/fiat design is very close to the ford one in the driveline department, to the point of props being swappable between certain models, and the diff/halfshafts swapping with only a thin spacer. Mark- I'm kinda discounting the fiat engines for reasons listed above- afaik, theres no tuning available for them. craig- I'm not a fan of the bmw lumps tbh. had them in the past, found them uninspiring. ettorebugatti- I'm not much of a fan of the vaux lumps either. seem pretty expensive both as a initial purchase, plus the gearboxes are pricey and hard to get (manta one anyway) and to maintain/tune. compared to say a zetec. robin- yeah, I know the mx5 efi isnt the best. ive got a full car loom to make it work if necessary, but id probly just spend the time/money on doing megajolt/carbs. id be interested to see what power gains (if any) that gives though. arron- id never thought of it, but tbh I don't think theres much reason to go to the trouble. especially as the head flows the wrong way really. lots of tuning stuff out there I suppose though. Al Ramone- I'm not too concerned about bumping it up a bracket. if I doing it and doubling the power, then its worthwhile. I'm aiming foe at least 150hp really, something like that will make the car 'proper' so I dotn think it will put people off. the diesel is tempting, but I'm not sure if that will actually put people off if i do end up selling it in the future. I want it to be skiddable, and the low-down power curve of a turbo diesel isnt great for that kinda thing, a screaming twink would be better suited. alan- ile bear it in mind. I think thats why theres adapters available to fit the lada engine to a type 9, the rally boys use them. if I'm changing the box, I wouldnt go for something as obscure as the mirafiori box. a type 9 makes much more sense. tbh, the zetec is looking by far the favourite at the minute. as soon as I can pick up a cheap type 9 box, then I can start moving along with this, as thats the most expensive/difficult to get part. |
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Last Edit: May 19, 2012 9:53:48 GMT by Dez
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MrSpeedy
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May 19, 2012 10:04:14 GMT
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I did find an outlet on ebay selling brand new 2ltr Zetec blacktops for £800 if that's of any interest. All there, complete with loom, ecu and everything ready to go, plug and play.
Sounds like a damn good bargain to me
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Last Edit: May 19, 2012 10:06:26 GMT by MrSpeedy
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May 19, 2012 13:39:58 GMT
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Don't forget about the Ford Sigma (zetec SE), a 1600 with ZX6R carbs does apparantly over 140 hp. It needs a bellhousing, though.
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v8ian
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May 19, 2012 14:55:09 GMT
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I like the c20xe engine, nice simple design and plenty of power. If you get the later coilpack version you should be able to hook that to megajolt, then the standard manifold can be adapted for bike carbs. You can turn a fwd tubular exhaust manifold around to rwd, quick mod to the sump and its in (for you its a quick mod for the rest of us it isn't ). For the gearbox i'd go ford because manta boxes are getting to stupid money. Other options are the omega boxes but that means a hydraulic clutch and electronic speedo signal. Also I don't think they have a sliding prop joint in the back. They are a bolt on flange as they're designed for a non moving diff rather than axle. Think the Omega electronic speedo drive is got around by using a cable drive from a carlton box |
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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benjy_b
Yorkshire and The Humber
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May 19, 2012 15:03:54 GMT
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F20C from a Honda S2000! Stupidly overpriced, however you get 240bhp, a six speed box and 9000rpm... Hence why I've got one in my Corolla.
On a serious note, I like the idea of the Isuzu Diesel. Plenty of torque for skidding, easily tunable, runs on veg and 45mpg when driving normally.
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May 19, 2012 15:04:14 GMT
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I like the c20xe engine, nice simple design and plenty of power. If you get the later coilpack version you should be able to hook that to megajolt, then the standard manifold can be adapted for bike carbs. You can turn a fwd tubular exhaust manifold around to rwd, quick mod to the sump and its in (for you its a quick mod for the rest of us it isn't ). For the gearbox i'd go ford because manta boxes are getting to stupid money. Other options are the omega boxes but that means a hydraulic clutch and electronic speedo signal. Also I don't think they have a sliding prop joint in the back. They are a bolt on flange as they're designed for a non moving diff rather than axle. Think the Omega electronic speedo drive is got around by using a cable drive from a carlton box How does that work? there is no speedo drive on the omega box electronic or otherwise, as I think it's run through the abs and ECU on the omega! |
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