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Jul 28, 2019 20:35:51 GMT
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oh dear! You need a bit more practice, lol. You either are too near when spraying or you are putting on far too much paint. What air pressure are you using and what gun? Aircap size & tip size. Do you have it set to a fan or closed down more to spot? I'm too close- the garage is barely wide enough to walk around the car and it tightens at the door. I'm using a 1.4mm tip with 30psi approx and medium fan Jim is that 30 psi with a gravity feed gun ?
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Jul 28, 2019 20:42:04 GMT
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Ok, then wind the tip adjuster in a bit on awkward areas to limit the amount of paint coming out, give you a lot more time to paint without 'pouring' it on.
A good block back on the problem areas and respray those only before moving on to blocking down the whole car.
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Jul 28, 2019 21:58:31 GMT
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Well done Jim for even attempting to paint it yourself. I wouldn't know where to start . A few runs that I'm sure you'll sort is nothing in the grand scheme of the job.
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Jim All be it that you have had a few problems you have done a very good job for painting a whole car in the space you have not many would have the balls to attempt it and of those that would I don't think they would achieve as good a job of it as you have. Well done. Thanks Pete that means a lot to me, I'll be honest that because we're renovating our home and life in general my car budget is tight so that's why I've gone DIY! I may get it tidied properly and clear coated after she's road legal and I've got some stone chips! /quote]Jim is that 30 psi with a gravity feed gun ? [/quote] That's right, I'll double check the pressure but I did turn it down - the gauge isn't easy to read on it Ok, then wind the tip adjuster in a bit on awkward areas to limit the amount of paint coming out, give you a lot more time to paint without 'pouring' it on. A good block back on the problem areas and respray those only before moving on to blocking down the whole car. Will do, I know that the drip rails caused me problems as I reduced the fan right down and it got a bit overwhelming Well done Jim for even attempting to paint it yourself. I wouldn't know where to start . A few runs that I'm sure you'll sort is nothing in the grand scheme of the job. Thanks Jonsey - mid way through the dust coat my hand started shaking because of nerves! I'm going to start working on the panels I reckon they'll need another coat afterwards but I think when I do this I'll break it down into front end, sills, roof, rear panels.
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Last Edit: Jul 29, 2019 9:06:01 GMT by jim
1966 Ford Cortina GT 2018 Ford Fiesta ST
Full time engineer, part time waffler on Youtube - see Jim_Builds
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Jul 29, 2019 10:41:43 GMT
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Jim - In the bigger picture its all a learning experience and it takes a lot of bottle to pick up a gun and apply paint to car (ask jonsey he runs scared from it) - its technically quite challenging and certainly not has easy has most people think - you can reduce the pressure to 20 - 25 psi max with a HVLP gravity feed gun and open the fan width up which would give you better results - but well done for having a go in the first place - leave your bodyshell for now gain some more experience with the painting of the single loose panels then you can go back to correcting any problem areas on the bodyshell - one point that I would make is to do this before fitting the car back up - has it will be a proper pain to start masking all the trim & fitted parts up once you have the car back together
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Last Edit: Jul 29, 2019 10:43:24 GMT by Deleted
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Jul 29, 2019 11:43:34 GMT
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I find white is particularly difficult, it doesn't cover that well and it's more difficult to see reflections in it to judge how the paint is building up, the key things I have found with runs is it can take several days for the paint of this thickness to fully harden so don't rush in to flat it back.
As you have suggested I find doing smaller areas at a time works better in a restricted space.
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Jul 29, 2019 12:10:31 GMT
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If you don't have one, then google 'run razor' an invalueable tool for runs and not expensive.
For gutters there are a few tricks - mask up the roof around ther gutter and the front face of the gutter so you only have the inside back and bottom of the gutter showing - together with a little of the roof skin.
Then mix up a bit of paint in a pot and with a small brush (approx 10mm) you can brush paint the back of the gutter and the bottom with several layers of paint over a day or two. Let dry and unmask. Lightly flat the roof skin to lose any 'edges' to the brushed paint. Then when it comes to spraying you can just concentrate on the roof & front face of gutter knowing that the rear & bottom already have plenty of paint.
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Jul 29, 2019 12:45:48 GMT
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A trick that I've seen (but never tried) is laying a light skim of filler over the run areas, so that when you block it back the progress is easier to monitor and you don't end up excessively sanding any particular area.
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1988 740 Turbo, 1998 V90, 1991 Eunos Roadster.
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Jul 29, 2019 14:10:35 GMT
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A trick that I've seen (but never tried) is laying a light skim of filler over the run areas, so that when you block it back the progress is easier to monitor and you don't end up excessively sanding any particular area. A demonstration:
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Jul 29, 2019 19:39:05 GMT
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1966 Ford Cortina GT 2018 Ford Fiesta ST
Full time engineer, part time waffler on Youtube - see Jim_Builds
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Jul 29, 2019 19:50:59 GMT
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Good man for posting up the progress shots regardless of good or bad. Also for staying calm in the situation! Keep at it, I'm sure you will crack it.
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Jul 29, 2019 20:07:42 GMT
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How much thinners are you adding to the paint? It looks over thinned to me.
The good thing with paint is if you get it wrong then just block it down and do it again. It's mostly just time and a little money for more paint.
Weld something up wrong and its far more work!
Keep at it & once you master it you will find it's easy.
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Jul 29, 2019 20:46:06 GMT
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Good man for posting up the progress shots regardless of good or bad. Also for staying calm in the situation! Keep at it, I'm sure you will crack it. Thank you! I'm figuring this out as I'm going plus if it helps someone avoid these mistakes then its worth cocking up
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1966 Ford Cortina GT 2018 Ford Fiesta ST
Full time engineer, part time waffler on Youtube - see Jim_Builds
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Jul 29, 2019 20:48:03 GMT
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How much thinners are you adding to the paint? It looks over thinned to me. The good thing with paint is if you get it wrong then just block it down and do it again. It's mostly just time and a little money for more paint. Weld something up wrong and its far more work! Keep at it & once you master it you will find it's easy. 10-15% I tried to keep the tolerance as close as possible but I should try to get the weighing scales fixed
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Last Edit: Jul 29, 2019 20:48:39 GMT by jim
1966 Ford Cortina GT 2018 Ford Fiesta ST
Full time engineer, part time waffler on Youtube - see Jim_Builds
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Jul 29, 2019 21:07:01 GMT
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Ah, too much. You can get disposable measuring cups to mix paint in. www.ebay.co.uk/p/1500-X-StarChem-Paint-Mixing-Cups-600ml-Plastic-Graduated-With-Ratios-600cc/647642363?iid=183759043604But TBH (Chris may disagree) you can use a straight sided glass jar, pour in paint, mark a line on jar, measure 1/3 higher, add hardener, then add approx 10% MAX thinners. Some paints like thinners more than others, if you get runs then thin it less. I'd try 5% thinners on a door or your next panel, see how you get on. If it's too thick it wont flow as well but it will still flat off & polish ok. You don't have to follow the mixing advice rigidly. Don't be afraid to experiment - it's only paint!
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Jul 30, 2019 10:11:11 GMT
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Thank you for the advice Blackpop, I had read on the internet that I needed a that amount of thinners but at least I know where I'm going wrong!
I have a smaller gun which I believe has a 0.8mm nozzle - do you think this will help? As I'll be spraying inside of panels I was going to use this gun which is it's better for applying paint doing smaller areas might give me an advantage?
As for extra paint I think I'll need more given my results so my thinking is to use what I have for inners etc and get more made up for the exterior as I don't want 50 shades of pale where everyone can see it! I know the suppliers did a great job mixing the paint and the match with the 1L I bought for the raptor is bang on I'm just paranoid about making more mistakes!
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1966 Ford Cortina GT 2018 Ford Fiesta ST
Full time engineer, part time waffler on Youtube - see Jim_Builds
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Jul 30, 2019 17:40:58 GMT
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Paint is pretty good for matching - but it is safer to buy the complete batch in one go for security. My car is painted over several years from different batches of paint and from two different makes and all matches perfectly - but then it is straight black Smaller tip gun is perfect for blowing in and touching up smaller areas, I have a 1mm tip gun that I often use for smaller panels or items as it has a much smaller pot on top. Yes it will be fine for tight areas, you may need to experiment with the fan & trigger stop though. Always start with the stop wound in so it does not allow too much paint to come out, you can always wind it out a bit if paint comes out too dry and then just go over the part again. Start with it too heavy and it's instant runs, which you have found out. My black paint requires virtually NO thinners or it will run very easily, I add only approx 2% most of the time. For awkward access areas I usually start with it adjusted to no fan and keep the tip wound in so you can direct paint into corners without drenching everything else, you just need to spray a little longer to allow for the limited flow of paint. Once you have got the corners done you can then open the fan up and wind the trigger out a bit to paint the bigger areas. HTH.
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Jul 30, 2019 19:04:08 GMT
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Jim - A few bits that may help you on the paint front Disposable paint mixing cups that have measurement indication to the side face & paint mixing stirrers with paint ratio indication on them - various types available via E Bay / electronic sales sites etc - you could has Mark stated utilise a clean glass jar but it must be straight sided / non tapering to the top or bottom
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I've had a few days off the car and on reflection I think it's better for me to level the body to 600 grit and throwing another 2 coats approx on top. I'll start with the engine bay and part of the boot I messed up - I'll try to give a light dust to the areas I've gone to the primer to try and even the coat up. I tried a run razor but the paint seemed soft and as soon as the blade touched the base of the run it dug in and pulled lumps up! Tonight I had a play with the door skin and I've got it fitting a lot better, it just needs the clip holes making.
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1966 Ford Cortina GT 2018 Ford Fiesta ST
Full time engineer, part time waffler on Youtube - see Jim_Builds
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OOH nice and shiny.
Nice work Jim.
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