ikon31
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Jan 13, 2012 19:14:50 GMT
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Right, need a little advise. ive got a mitsubishi l200 that i'm tidying up for myself, with a bit of a minitruck look. At the moment its been lowered about 3" all round, and i decided once id settled on a set/size of wheel, i'd probably go another 3" lower. I just recently picked up a barginous set of 18s of a shogun warrior sport thing, with a full set of pretty much brand new 255/55 r18s. The wheels are 8.5j The l200 and the shogun share everything the same, pcd, ofset, bore the lot, so i assumed that they would go straight on, be it the tyres may be a little on the large size, which after a trial fit today, they most definatly are  the truck is on the floor there, but as you can see it would be undrivable,  even more so here. Now..... i'm right in thinking that, like i've done before with wide wheels on stuff, is get a lower profile tire, thats not quite as wide, therefore the tread will be under the arch, and alot smaller, (for the time being we will assume this ISNT a truck) so maybe something like a 225/40 18. Or am i just barkin up the wrong tree, and i need to find some wheels with a lower offset that push them in (baring in mind i don't have endless amounts of cash and people generally don't manufacture wheels in 6x139 stud pattern for anything other than offroading, or 22s for your pimping hilux etc  any ideas guys? i'm gonna go the tire shop in the morning, see what they think.. p.s again i know that its classed as a commercial vehicle and any tires i choose will need to be within the load index rating etc any help tho would be great |
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ikon31
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Jan 13, 2012 19:40:57 GMT
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correct me if i'm wrong here but............ truck weighs approx 1500kg, and max load of 1000kg (which its got no chance now its lowered) total gross weight is approx 2500kg, divided by 4 wheels, is 625kg, a load index of 92/93? so aslong as my tires aren't rediculous stretched on, something like a 215/45/18 93w would be fine?  somthing like that ( i know thats a different size!) |
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Last Edit: Jan 13, 2012 19:41:38 GMT by ikon31
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murran
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Jan 13, 2012 20:54:01 GMT
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lowered about 3" all round, and I decided once id settled on a set/size of wheel, i'd probably go another 3" lower. ah, spotted your problem.....restore it to proper ride height. its a truck not a formula 1 car....... you lower a car to look cool and handle better. a truck lowered will look wierd in a not cool way and handle worse than it previously did. |
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Jan 13, 2012 21:15:23 GMT
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For the wheel to tuck in further you'd need a higher negative offset. It's probably not recommnded to run car tyres on 4x4 rims but it's not unusual to see custom vans on car wheels and tyres and I've yet to see one roly poly on the motorway or OMG oversteer into nunneries. I think a stretched tyre may struggle to tuck under that arch but you'll never know untill you try. Considered over fenders ? lowered about 3" all round, and I decided once id settled on a set/size of wheel, i'd probably go another 3" lower. ah, spotted your problem.....restore it to proper ride height. its a truck not a formula 1 car....... you lower a car to look cool and handle better. a truck lowered will look wierd in a not cool way and handle worse than it previously did. wow that's incredibly unhelpful. |
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murran
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Jan 13, 2012 21:26:38 GMT
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wow that's incredibly unhelpful. not really imo. I know this site encourages only positive comments but........ if I started a thread asking advice on how to mount taxidermy dogs to my bonnet and manequins to my roof thinking this was a good way of reducing my cars drag coefficient at high speed....... would you meerly state the best way of doing so and say it was a great idea??? |
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Last Edit: Jan 13, 2012 21:31:20 GMT by murran
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ikon31
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Jan 13, 2012 21:33:15 GMT
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ah, spotted your problem.....restore it to proper ride height. its a truck not a formula 1 car....... you lower a car to look cool and handle better. a truck lowered will look wierd in a not cool way and handle worse than it previously did. you lower it to look cool.......  sooo uncool  curse word..  ghey  someone best tell him..  its a truck not an f1 car.......... sorry for the sarcasim, i just don't see how lowering a car makes it cool, but not a truck?? i cant tell if the wheels do stick out that much, i think its more the tire being soooo huge that makes it look that way. I'll go the tire shop in the morning.. As for running car tyres on small trucks like these i think its ok, its not a 4wd its 2wd and as long as the speed rating and load index is correct i don't think its a problem |
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wheel/tire advice requiredDez
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Jan 13, 2012 21:54:47 GMT
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id ignore the 'advice' youve been given so far, sounds like hes on the wrong channel to me, and carry on with 'the plan'.
stretching tyres will help as you say. get on tyrestretch.com to pick what size to go for, probably a 215 or 225 width will be about right. that wont be enough though i don't think, youll either need to pull the arches, skim a bit off the backside of the wheel centre to reduce the offset, or wind on a lot of camber to tuck the top of the wheel into the arch, which I'm sure you will have seen is what a lot of the minitruck boys do to overcome the problem.
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Jan 13, 2012 21:55:45 GMT
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I have the same problem on my P100, wider transit 8 spokes only fit the rear ;D how about chopping the arches upwards and fitting some JDM or similar plastic arches ?? Or get the rear face of teh alloy machined down t o sit it in further (strut clearance allowing?) Lets fave it most road cars aint F1 cars either and they get hit with many sticks, often to big a stick to be practical  |
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murran
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Jan 13, 2012 21:55:52 GMT
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first one looks good. but then it has a classic shape/lines etc.... its not concidered a builders pick up truck vehicle anymore.
personally on seeing a lowered mitz l200 my first question would be "why?" obviously your the one doing this so this wouldnt be your first question. its your car..... what ever makes you happy!
if your intent on doing this id get a much lower profile narrower tyre and go stretched. or/and butcher the wings and get some arch extensions. find some excessive neg camber (to further ruin the handling)...
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ikon31
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Jan 13, 2012 22:01:34 GMT
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 not the first, but the first in the uk. i debated the machining down of the back of the wheels, sounds expensive, then i have the issue of the rims fowling things. i'll get a 215/45 r18 fitted and see how it looks, don't really want arch extensions as i want it to be really smooth looking. thanks for some good ideas tho |
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ikon31
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Jan 13, 2012 22:03:07 GMT
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(to further ruin the handling)... its a truck, it hardly "handled" to begin with. i've got my zx9r when i want to have fun |
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murran
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Jan 13, 2012 22:55:25 GMT
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^^^ and not going to be improved either.
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ikon31
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Jan 13, 2012 23:54:06 GMT
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really? best just sell up now then...
i slammed the ar se off my w123 merc so much so i had to know what route to drive that avoided humps in the road etc, i'm hardly the first person to compromise handling for asthetics, like you already said, its my car i'll do what makes me happy
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Even though murran has been here a year longer than ikon31, ikon31 has all the whole retro rides stuff figured out! He has something we don't see here ofter - check He's lowering it over unusual wheels - check The negativity was totally not something I though i'd encounter in this thread. Anyhow... Yes, your problems will decrease a lot when you put some normal tires on there like 215/40 or something. If you've got some means to increase your camber without buying adjustable stuff, I recommend you to set it to max. Then cut springs until you've got your preferable level of stance. You might also have to massage the arches a bit, especially if camber isn't easily achieved. Done! Now post pictures! ;D (especially of that merc  ) |
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Last Edit: Jan 14, 2012 0:34:22 GMT by dude
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Murran. I think that people know your opinion now, you no longer have to say it. Thank you.
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theres alot o negativity on this post for some reason... startng to make me think putting my work van on 16s with nicely stretched tyres on and then lowering it 100mm was the wrong thing to do!! yeah i can only take work where theres no speed bumps or do 10mph over the buggers but it looks ace!!! get the pickup slammed so low you gotta dig a trench infront of you just so the sump don't drag
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ikon31
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Jan 14, 2012 14:24:46 GMT
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there there, everyone is entilted to an opinion, but i was looking more for ways to do it, then just a don't bother. Anywho, went to the local tire shop today, they where very very useful, whipped off the tire and we fittted a 225/40 18, looked sweet, but it was still just outside the arch by maybe 10mm, i think a 215/45 18 would be better, but they where saying i'll have problems but i've fitted a 195/45 17 to an 8" and never had any issues. So...... anyone looking for a set of 225/55 r18? almost brand new?  |
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murran
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Jan 14, 2012 14:38:44 GMT
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ikon31
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Jan 14, 2012 15:10:23 GMT
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can do you one better than that......  at the moment all we have done is chop one coil of the front springs, and a set of lowering blocks in the back (3") so its nice and level. Plan is to fit the wheels and then if possible go a little lower, which i imagine i should be able to as the first 3" wasn't even noticeable!! i hadn't really thought about going to town on the camber and everything else, i'm more a motorbike person, my mates a race team mechanic so helps when it comes to doing the more technical stuff, but he thought i was crazy lowering it in the first place! |
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murran
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Jan 14, 2012 15:27:45 GMT
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slot the bottom arm mounting point on the subframe. to take the arms outward to add the camber.
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