foxy99
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So I isolated the water-jacket on one bank (still not leaking - unbelievably) and I need to heat it. Been thru all the pros and cons of that earlier in the thread but it struck my that glass wouldn't be affe3cted by the solution so I bought a glass fish-tank heater. It's also small so would be better than the big immersion-heater element. Anyway I tried it at home in the sink and a bucket and the water didn't get above tepid so I figured it was another waste of time & money. I also learned that 80 degrees water would feel cold as the human body is up in the 90s Just for the hell of it I tried it in the engine tonight and it did dissolve the Alum, which I believe is all that's required for it to work, but I was surprised when I put the thermometer-probe in the thing read over 100F initially. I'll leave it in for days/weeks and see if it has any effect on the steel studs but probing around with the thingy the water was 70 something right next to the heater and 60 further away. Perhaps if the heater is right next to the studs it will work better/quicker. Bottom line is it worked better in this situation than at home so am pleased with that fish tank heater dissolved Alum in water-jacket temp right next to, but not touching, heater is above 70F
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70F isn't particularly warm.. 70C would be a lot better! I doubt you'd find a fish tank heater that gets that hot though as you generally aren't trying to boil them! What about a sous vide controller?
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70°f is just above 20°c. You're not confusing the two at any point unintentionally are you? For instance, the temperature on the immersion element is most likely to be Celsius.
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Dec 10, 2020 10:58:35 GMT
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Dec 11, 2020 18:22:05 GMT
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That fusebox is old but those trips normally work far better than the old rewireable type ones, they can take a lot more amps than you would like before they blow and it often doesn't happen quickly.
I'll be pulling out our old fusebox next year which has what appears to be the same type of replacement trip switches, I'll save them if they are any use to you.
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Dec 11, 2020 18:47:53 GMT
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If this method fails, you could try MIG or arc-welding a thick (say, 1/4") steel strip to the side of the head stud(s), to be able to get good leverage on it (add a length of scaffold tube or similar if necessary), and the welding heat would help release the stud...
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jonomisfit
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If you want it to be a more even temp you can try wrapping the block in rockwool.
With both water and iron being good conductors and there being a lot of surface area most of the energy will be being lost to the room.
The insulation will reduce the rate of loss so it'll hold the temp better and the heater won't have to run flat out.
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foxy99
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Thanks for the input above guys. I will respond to them IDC but I'm pretty sure I've been getting my Fahrenheit and Celsius confused. There's not been any progress on all that anyway as I'm busy stripping rust off my front suspension parts and painting them. This is something I never thought I'd do as imagined it was way too big a job but I'm busy doing it to the rear subframe etc from my old Mondeo and the bits are all off the VDP anyway so it's ideal time to do it. The VDP bits are much less corroded than my (2004) Ford bits and some of them could probably just be cleaned by hand with a wire-brush but, since I'm happily doing the electrolysis thing in my big tank, all of them are being done this way. Some of you may remember the IRS-cage was powdercoated years ago and has rust popping out on it already so I'm not wasting any more time & money carting parts to the powdercoaters. I'm painting them myself. The Mondeo bits were originally going to be done in just Epoxy Mastic but I'm now convinced this stuff is useless so am going over all that with Glasurit 801-72, which is an Epoxy primer. It's much more like paint than the mastic. With the VDP bits I'm skipping the mastic and starting with the Glasurit EP and will be top-coating it all with 2K black gloss. my thread on 2K hereThere are loads of little bits n pieces on the front suspension but I was pleased to get the subframe in the tank. It doesn't quite fit fully in: one corner pokes out but it does give a good opportunity to show the difference, in rust, from one side to the other after a day or two in the tank. Most of the subframe was covered in oil and is .'. rust-free but the outer bits were quite rusty (the bits that sit outside the inner-wings). one Jag part got mastic on it whilst doing Mondeo bitswhole front subframe nearly fits in electrolysis tankwishbone and small suspension part after electrolysis and wire-brushingpart of subframe that has not been cleaned yet other side after electrolysis and wire-brushingfront springs and small part done in Glasurit 801-72 driveshaft UJ covers mastic'd some time ago got the Glasurit on top
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Last Edit: Dec 25, 2020 2:09:33 GMT by foxy99
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Dec 27, 2020 10:23:12 GMT
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Good to see some progress on the front suspension
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Dec 27, 2020 10:46:27 GMT
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That's good stuff not heard of that before. It looks like a plasticky type coating. Great progress.
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foxy99
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Dec 29, 2020 19:58:45 GMT
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That's good stuff not heard of that before. It looks like a plasticky type coating. Great progress. It's an epoxy primer (EP) which is different from epoxy mastic. The mastic is thick stuff but this is like normal paint. However it doesn't suck in moisture. I used to primer stuff then despair to see rust-spots developing in the primer (ie every car that is undergoing repairs) and I've used this instead and see no orange on parts even after years. Glasurit do the paint for Porsche, VW and others afaik so it should be pretty good stuff. Only problem is their range updates quicker than I work (wouldn't be hard lol) so the two products of theirs that I've used 283-150 (etch primer) and 801-72 (epoxy primer) aren't readily available now and neither are their activators (352-228 & 965-53). The new EP from them is called 801-74 CV and that stands for commercial vehicle - which I'm pretty sure means water-based. I'm just catching up on the 2K scene so have no intention of moving to water-based. Anyway am sure there are loads of other epoxy primers out there which would be similar I guess but I'm keen to use up my Glasurit stuff. I've bought their clear-coat 929-666 which is just under £300 for 5L and the appropriate hardener (923-666) but I got them cheap and it will be enough to do the whole car no probs
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Last Edit: Dec 31, 2020 2:47:10 GMT by foxy99
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Last Edit: Dec 31, 2020 3:09:23 GMT by foxy99
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Just some musings on the never-ending problem with the stuck studs.... Was watching some (brilliant) Allen Millyard videos on YouTube. The guy is like a mechanical genius from a garage in his house. Anyway he wanted to remove the (steel) liners from his (alloy) motorcycle barrels. These aren't removeable wet-liners, like the Jag. These are ones that are supposed to be permanent fixtures in the block. Anyway he heated the block up on his BBQ to make them easier to press out and at the right heat some just slipped out under their own weight. He measured this as 112 degrees Celsius. Which is like 12 degrees more than water out the kettle. So why am I posting this? Well my idea to warm the block enough to be able to unwind the studs by hand seems viable if the alloy is expanding that much under reasonably low temp. I just need it to expand a fraction to loosen its grip on the unthreaded part of the studs in the block (about 2"). So am still hoping submersing the whole thing in boiling water will be enough but if not then it'll be some excruciatingly long-winded diversion into making an oven or BBQ big enough to house the block. In fairness to Mr Millyard he didn't even have the thing enclosed. The part was just sitting half on the BBQ with the lid resting on top
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could you not borrow a bbq and do the same ?
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glenanderson
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Can I ask why you need to remove them all? I get it if they’re damaged and need replacing, but if they’re ok why not just leave them?
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Can I ask why you need to remove them all? I get it if they’re damaged and need replacing, but if they’re ok why not just leave them? 5 of them are sheared off/badly corroded. There are pics back in posts around Feb 2018. All 20 were damaged to some extent as I welded nuts to them to remove them. This was done to get the heads off without buying a jacking-plate. 15 came out and 5 didn't. In hindsight I could say I should've done it the other way but there are people who have jacked the heads off and still chosen to replace the studs and it hasn't been easy - even with lots of money and an engineering-shop involved studs are quite weak from corrosion
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Last Edit: Jan 4, 2021 1:36:19 GMT by foxy99
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not much of an update but..... re-posting that old pic (above), in reply to glenanderson, I stuck it on a Jag Facebooks page (for s***s and giggles?) and someone replied with a video of themself winding their very tight studs out their V12. The guy was heating the casting from inside the 'jackshaft' tunnel with what looked like a burner attached to a gas bottle. Once the stud moved there was still a hell of a lot of wrenching to be done - which I don't really get. Anyway I contacted him and he replied in English (he's Norwegian) but didn't seem to interested in chatting about it so I don't know exactly what he did but he did confirm he got them all out. In the video the one he was wrestling with was one of the shallow-set ones which I had no issues with. I wanted to know if the deep-set ones were even worse. Back in my world I got my immersion-heater element wired up to the fuse-box in the barn. I finished work in daylight so it was a good time to do it as I was able to cut the supply to the barn off completely whilst I fiddled about in there. Once that was done I cleared all the electrolysis gear from the hot-water tank and plonked my super-safe immersion-heater-on-a-plank-of-wood thing over the tank, switched it on, and was amazed to hear & see some vigorous steaming. I turned it off quickly, in case there was something wrong, and then put it on in longer bursts. Nothing exploded or tripped in the fuse-box. What I did notice after a longer spell tho was that the element was glowing red-hot above the water-line. I guess it needs to be fully submersed in the water to work safely. Seems reasonable but that means the water-level would be up nearer the exposed electrical connections. Next step I guess will be to encapsulate all that in some sort of gunk or resin. Now having typed all that it might not even be pursued as I have found an extremely large electric oven for sale, about 20 miles, away for £350. If I can get that to the barn and stick the block in and warm it to about 150 Celsius they will come out. Now... can you hire vans during lockdown?
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Yes, some vans are still available for hire, here in Canterbury, at least.
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glenanderson
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That oven might need a hefty supply. I’d check that before spending money buying and transporting it.
You could use the immersion heater indirectly. Put it back in its original cylinder and heat water in that, and pump/thermosyphon it through a coil in the bottom of the dip tank.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Can't you just use a small immersion heater or heaters dipped into the cylinder(s) adjacent to the stud, and fill the cylinder(s) with fluid to heat up local areas, rather than having to heat the whole block?
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