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Sept 7, 2019 13:29:30 GMT
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Probably not constructive, but is there any reason why you are persisting with this old lump? Seems like it would be better used as an artificial reef, and your time/mojo balance spent getting something that's known to run fitted. well there are 3 reasons: money, originality and availability. - to get a running lump would be anything from £800 to £5K plus delivery
- would like to keep the engine and body numbers matching
- carburettor versions of the V12 are hard to find. the heads on the injection models differ so I'd need to transfer my top-end to a block from an injection model and there is a high chance I'd encounter same issues on another engine. the heads are notoriously difficult to remove which is how this all started
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Sept 7, 2019 13:33:35 GMT
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was your hole a decent brand, we used to use starrett hole saws cutting and mitering steel and they would last ages before they needed replacing. It was a Kennedy. They're from USA afaik but prob made in Taiwan lol
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Sept 7, 2019 13:36:32 GMT
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Sorry if this is teaching Granny to suck eggs. Alloy with a hole saw whatever the teeth will be a PITA as once in up to the depth of the teeth the swarf created cannot be cleared and the hole saw will clog and just drag, melting the alloy making sticking to the teeth - Typically you have to go through a mm at a time - cleaning out the hole and the teeth of the cutter as you go. Alloy and Ceramic require polar opposites in respect to cutting tools - Alloy = Coarse and Ceramic = Very fine. For alloy you would want something with 4 teeth. No that's very helpful. I actually only made 2 teeth with the weld approach but good to know about the slow approach. Strangely enough when I first did this with teeth just cut in a mild steel tube I got down about 1cm before it all ground to a halt. Made less progress with the proper tool
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Sept 10, 2019 12:55:38 GMT
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If you have an ohmmeter check the resistance between the bolts and the block - for the battery method to do anything you will need an electrical short circuit for it to work - If you have a high resistance due to all the corrosion creating some sort of insulating barrier then it will never work - so lets say you have a silly high 3 ohm resistance.... - So simple test with a meter will tell you if the battery trick will make any progress for you. How prophetic... I did the simple test and the resistance was almost exactly 3 Ohms So it's never going to work with a 12V battery but perhaps with a truck battery - 24V - it will. I think I might've aired that idea before but whatever the case without the advice from Darkspeed I could've wasted money on a big 12V battery and achieved nothing. So with a 24V battery I might get the following: - V = IR so 24V = Ix3 so I is 8
- P = IV so P = 8 x 24 so P (Watts) would be 192
- still not much really
Am thinking last try on the studs will be with a rattle-gun. If it doesn't shift the one where the alloy around it has been lowered about 1cm it won't work on the other 4 so I'll put this hurdle on the back-burner and get back to the task of getting the engine out the car so I can remove the pistons/liners. I've only laboured with this step of the saga as it seemed logical to complete this task before dealing with the bottom end but it doesn't really matter which order they are done in at end of day. Also when the block is stripped to nothing I can put it in a container of boiling water and am sure the alloy will then expand enough to let its grip on the studs go.
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Sept 10, 2019 20:37:54 GMT
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It would be interesting to see what happens temperature wise over time if just rigging up the 12V circuit with a 30 amp fuse on it and leaving it connected for a few hours. You would only need a 10Ah battery to sink a couple of hours of 4A load into the stud - If you are down there working doing other things some 100Amp+ rated cable with a 30 amp fuse connected to the stud and just leave it whilst doing other things. It should still have the capacity with the factor of time to get some heat into things and should the the resistance reduce the fuse will prevent things getting out of hand.
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Jul 30, 2020 22:05:40 GMT
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Ok. I'm back After trying everything possible to get the studs out I've decided to leave them be and pull the engine to un-seize the pistons. This is after all why the studs are an issue. I only took the heads off because the engine is stuck and have now been at gridlock for several years. It would have been nice to get the studs out then move on to the next phase but I'm confident I can get them out when I have a bare block. I'll immerse it in a tank of boiling water which should expand the alloy enough to loosen its grip on the studs. Or I may put it in a large oven. I didn't post about it but recently I set about the studs with oxy-acetylene torch and it didn't touch the alloy at all but the stud actually flopped over due to the heat and it still won't budge. So what's the purpose of this post? Well without going into too much detail I have now got a 40' shipping container to use for the princely sum of £10 a month. This means I can shift a lot of my stuff from the barn where the VDP is squeezed creating room to get my crane in and pull the engine and box What's the catch? Well the container was bought by the guy I rent the barn off almost exactly 10 years ago and he had big plans for it but it ended up a junk store with a leaking roof and a very expensive door hanging off on one hinge that I would regularly jam shut with a scaffold pole. I'll expand later but basically this week has been a rather depressing 2 days clearing out junk. I mean utter wibblepoo. Nothing of any use. I've also boarded up the hole where the door was and opened the metal doors (they've never been opened since he got it) and started welding the holes in the roof container arriving in Sept 2010what it looks like nowdoor was held by 3 drill-in hinges originally but here is only hanging by top onedoor removed by driving pins out of hinges and now set aside for possible repairscontainer roof has about 20 holes in it3 holes covered with this patch. for some reason my welding was no good except for a couple of inchesafter 2 days of gutting junk starting to see some space
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Jul 31, 2020 23:46:25 GMT
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I've just read through the whole mammoth thread and my hat is off to you for your tenacity.
I think if it were me I would have pulled the engine a long time back and then taken it to a machine shop to extract the studs.
Does make we want an XJ12 although i've always had a soft spot for a series 1.
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Thanks homersimpsonI've wanted to pull the engine for years but with 3 cars and 7 motorbikes in my barn there's just no room so my plan was to finish a couple of the bikes and move them on to make room for the operation. Now I don't need to do that. Can get stuck in. Am looking fwd to it. I'm going to move all the bikes and one car into the container. Stick the IRS back on the VDP and hire a van to bring my crane down. That's in a lock-up about 4 miles from the barn. I've got nearly a Grand in my wallet (been workin my ass off recently) so van hire and time off will be no probs
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Thanks homersimpson I've wanted to pull the engine for years but with 3 cars and 7 motorbikes in my barn there's just no room so my plan was to finish a couple of the bikes and move them on to make room for the operation. Now I don't need to do that. Can get stuck in. Am looking fwd to it. I'm going to move all the bikes and one car into the container. Stick the IRS back on the VDP and hire a van to bring my crane down. That's in a lock-up about 4 miles from the barn. I've got nearly a Grand in my wallet (been workin my ass off recently) so van hire and time off will be no probs Sounds great, did you find out which of the pistons are siezed (assuming thats what it is?)
I'm doing a MK2 Jag at the moment and it had a siezed engine (2.4 XK 6 cylinder) and in that it had clearly been stood for a very long time (possibly with the bonnet off allowing water into the engine) and all six pistons were siezed so badly that I broke three of them getting them out.
With yours if its been kept indoors its hopefully just a few that are a little stuck and will free off easily.
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I've no idea which piston(s) are seized homersimpson but the engine used to turn over by hand no problem then one day it didn't. I don't think it'll be seized badly. It's not like it's been left outside with the heads off. Fingers crossed anyway
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Aug 14, 2020 22:54:46 GMT
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curse word. Just spent about half hour writing a post and lost it all by closing tab by mistake. cba writing it again. was really just to explain latest with repairs to roof of container I've spent enough time on the roof and next job will be to (partly) dismantle the huge workbench as I want to stick a car (my 1983 Polo) up the end
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Aug 16, 2020 17:07:58 GMT
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Am on the home-straight with the roof repairs. The worst bit (in middle of container) was only really rusty/holed on one side and the patch I put on yesterday was nearly long enough to cover my welded repairs but it made sense to continue the sheeting across the whole width as there would be no way to stop water collecting in the channel running under the shorter patch and onto the bad areas. A bit more rivetting and cutting involved but worth it I reckon. I've left one side loose so I can lift it slightly to cut off the excess width without cutting the container too offcut secured almost long enough to cover bad bitnext piece cut to length with snips but cba cutting width by hand todayedge left loose to enable cutting before rivetting
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Aug 17, 2020 22:48:55 GMT
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Well it looks like the roof-repairs have been a success Was chucking it down today and when I went to barn at night no leaks There are still some gaps round door and windows that I should sort out but next thing was to get the huge workbench out so I can get stuff in. It's basically 5 'bays' between 6 upright sections with long planks staggered across the top and bottom so I had to disconnect the planks as close as possible to middle to split it in 2 which will mean I can move then outside temporarily. I could completely dismantle them but I'm bearing in mind that I'm only in here for a few months and the gaffer might want his bench as it was when I move out. Anyway it went fine so should have it out this week and can start moving stuff in roof is now sorted but there is some water getting in round door and windowslong workbench split in two to get it outside. note damp floor from years of leaks
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Aug 18, 2020 20:19:59 GMT
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No pics today as I was pretty scunnered with whole thing as the rain was pouring down and I spent the day dragging curse word out the container - which I imagined was empty!
That's the bench out, the huge wooden box and the Welsh Dresser thing. Lots of small stuff all over the shop that was living on the bench now but nothing that will stop me getting the car in.
I did make inroads on moving the Polo but two flats tires and general filth after hunting for ages for the big barn-door keys put me off it till next day.
Also had scaffolding to move for a job tomorrow. My first solo scaffold job. Been moving it in bits on roof-bars of my Mondeo.
I'll pron not get back to this till Saturday as need to get back to work but it'll be great to get back to work on the VDP. 1st job will be to put the IRS back in so I can move it about 15 feet backwards. This will be fun as the Metalastick mounts are a real pain to align
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Aug 22, 2020 17:50:43 GMT
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Just a quickie..... Got my first item into the container. As you can see from pics it's an old Polo breadvan. I'm not even going to go into details about it suffice to say it's soul-destroying to see something you have spent so much time and money on (years ago) going rusty when it's not even been outside. Anyway it took several hours to get it out the barn and into the container. Biggest problem was that it had to do a sharp right then a sharp left to get into the container and this wasn't easy on very rough ground. I did it by jacking the back up then pulling the car round a few inches at a time. After that I had to get all four wheels up to the level of container floor so did this with piles of dirt until the gaffer arrived and forced me to use scaffold battens. I stood my ground and said we'd leave the mud under the wheels I had raised and just put the battens under the other 2. It pushed in quite easily after that back end being edged round with jack on metal sheetnot the most direct route in to containerquite a big lip to get into containerwheels raised with 'ground'we're in
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Aug 25, 2020 23:03:27 GMT
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Sorry if you're expecting pics of a V12 engine but we have more pics of containers etc Why? Well it's all small steps towards the goal. And I need to keep reminding myself of the goal as I'm now getting sidelined into making my premises pretty. It's not completely pointless tho as I know from experience that a grotty environment is no good for the mojo, especially in curse word weather. So yesterday I did a bit (more) painting of the container. Not sure if I mentioned this but when the Gaffer bought it the company said he could only have it under the understanding he'd cover their 'trademark' livery. I think that's flaking orange paint and unreadable stickers with a Dobermann mascot. Anyway there's 5 big tins of Pronto quick-dry paint in there that were never opened. The brand doesn't seem to be around anymore so I hope we don't run out but it's a really darkish green sort of satin finish and it does dry pretty quick for a solvent-based finish. I started on the doors and did test-patches with/without primer and found that it turned out good by just scraping the flaky stuff off, sanding it to give a key then putting two coats on. Parts of the doors are in a terrible state so it was a bit disheartening but I've now moved to the side of the container and there is no rust there so it'll look great. Also seems that one coat may be enough. Could be that the paint is now properly mixed together as the tins have been standing so long the components had perhaps separated. The sanding takes longest as I'm doing it by hand but if I can get 5-10 verticals done a day it will soon be done. I mentioned before about grim surroundings. Well the big cart-door to my barn is a bit I hardly ever venture to (there is an normal door which is more practical to use) and despite me doing a lot of work there the basic problem is the floor is lower than the ground and water runs in and gathers there making a muddy mess. This is where the Polo lived and now that I have a big space there I set about painting the floor with a huge tin of red floor paint I found in the container. Was quite chuffed with the bit I did last night. Today I went back planning to do more on the container and finish the floor but it was pishing down and the floor was covered in water so I ended up moving more stuff into barn, scraping a channel in the mud outside, to divert the water, and moving all the scaffolding at the side of container to a less visible part of the grounds. The Gaffer wanted that done and is really happy with the painting on the container. I don't think he'll accept any rent money for the container actually. container changing from flaky orange to satin green and scaffolding moved elsewhere flaky to scraped then painted (sanded not shown) Polo used to live here. floor being painted to boost mojo
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huge improvement ,well done that man.
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Sept 4, 2020 15:31:06 GMT
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Good to see you still have the Daimler and plan to finish it. Would be a shame to just give up, despite the seized engine
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